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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,822
    If anyone actually has footage of Fox news going after her for the "dance" video please put it up.

    All I have found was a few conservative mouthpieces tweeting about it.

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    so far, just the idiots on twitter, which are given way too much credence. 
    I would not expect it to get on too much mainstream right wing media.  Fox probably recognizes that the response kinda blew up in the face of the Twitter nationalists that were sharing it.  I've even seen some people say "I don't like her socialism but I do like this.  Why is a young person dancing a bad thing?"  I don't think enough good can come from it.
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,991
    I actually haven't even heard of the dance video until I saw it here. I don't think anyone of big influence or importance is really talking about it or even cares. When I tried to search it I found far more people complaining about people complaining about the video than those who actually complaining about it to begin with, which just to me seems like trying to blow up a non-issue. I think I worded that confusing enough.
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    mace1229 said:
    I actually haven't even heard of the dance video until I saw it here. I don't think anyone of big influence or importance is really talking about it or even cares. When I tried to search it I found far more people complaining about people complaining about the video than those who actually complaining about it to begin with, which just to me seems like trying to blow up a non-issue. I think I worded that confusing enough.
    That's what I've been saying about this too.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,513
    edited January 2019
    mace1229 said:
    I actually haven't even heard of the dance video until I saw it here. I don't think anyone of big influence or importance is really talking about it or even cares. When I tried to search it I found far more people complaining about people complaining about the video than those who actually complaining about it to begin with, which just to me seems like trying to blow up a non-issue. I think I worded that confusing enough.
    That's what I've been saying about this too.
    All these things are true, but I think you guys are forgetting that right-wing trolls actually do play a significant role now, too. That's why Russia is flooding the west with troll accounts now. What online trolls do and say is no longer irrelevant, unfortunately.
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,991
    edited January 2019
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    I actually haven't even heard of the dance video until I saw it here. I don't think anyone of big influence or importance is really talking about it or even cares. When I tried to search it I found far more people complaining about people complaining about the video than those who actually complaining about it to begin with, which just to me seems like trying to blow up a non-issue. I think I worded that confusing enough.
    That's what I've been saying about this too.
    All these things are true, but I think you guys are forgetting that right-wing trolls actually do play a significant role now, too. That's why Russia is flooding the west with troll accounts now. What online trolls do and say is no longer irrelevant, unfortunately.
    But that doesn't explain why the number of complaints about the complainers outnumber the original complainers 10 to 1. That's why to me this seems like a non-issue that has falsely blown up to make others look bad (and not by Russia), when there never was an issue to begin with.  If the media and social media didn't get upset over the attempt of one person to poke fun of her, I never would have even heard of this dance. 
    The point is no one thinks anything negative of this, but it is being painted by social media (and regular media) as "The old white male republican club can't stand a woman dancing" when no one cares.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,513
    edited January 2019
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    I actually haven't even heard of the dance video until I saw it here. I don't think anyone of big influence or importance is really talking about it or even cares. When I tried to search it I found far more people complaining about people complaining about the video than those who actually complaining about it to begin with, which just to me seems like trying to blow up a non-issue. I think I worded that confusing enough.
    That's what I've been saying about this too.
    All these things are true, but I think you guys are forgetting that right-wing trolls actually do play a significant role now, too. That's why Russia is flooding the west with troll accounts now. What online trolls do and say is no longer irrelevant, unfortunately.
    But that doesn't explain why the number of complaints about the complainers outnumber the original complainers 10 to 1. That's why to me this seems like a non-issue that has falsely blown up to make others look bad (and not by Russia), when there never was an issue to begin with.  If the media and social media didn't get upset over the attempt of one person to poke fun of her, I never would have even heard of this dance. 
    The point is no one thinks anything negative of this, but it is being painted by social media (and regular media) as "The old white male republican club can't stand a woman dancing" when no one cares.
    I assume the issue is that there are ANY right-wingers who tried to use that to criticize her - it's so ludicrous. I figure the one to "blame" here is whatever right wing moron who did that, because shit like that makes everyone on the right look bad. That's how it works, and it works both ways, as we all know. But also because that video is so very entertaining on its own, and references insanely famous American pop culture.
    But also, the right really DOES hate this woman. No, not because she danced. But the troll highlighted an undeniable truth in general when it comes to the right and how they have been treating her. And FWIW, I think they are treating her like that for the reason everyone says: they are terrified of her and people like her.
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,991
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    I actually haven't even heard of the dance video until I saw it here. I don't think anyone of big influence or importance is really talking about it or even cares. When I tried to search it I found far more people complaining about people complaining about the video than those who actually complaining about it to begin with, which just to me seems like trying to blow up a non-issue. I think I worded that confusing enough.
    That's what I've been saying about this too.
    All these things are true, but I think you guys are forgetting that right-wing trolls actually do play a significant role now, too. That's why Russia is flooding the west with troll accounts now. What online trolls do and say is no longer irrelevant, unfortunately.
    But that doesn't explain why the number of complaints about the complainers outnumber the original complainers 10 to 1. That's why to me this seems like a non-issue that has falsely blown up to make others look bad (and not by Russia), when there never was an issue to begin with.  If the media and social media didn't get upset over the attempt of one person to poke fun of her, I never would have even heard of this dance. 
    The point is no one thinks anything negative of this, but it is being painted by social media (and regular media) as "The old white male republican club can't stand a woman dancing" when no one cares.
    I assume the issue is that there are ANY right-wingers who tried to use that to criticize her - it's so ludicrous. I figure the one to "blame" here is whatever right wing moron who did that, because shit like that makes everyone on the right look bad. That's how it works, and it works both ways, as we all know. But also because that video is so very entertaining on its own, and references insanely famous American pop culture.
    But also, the right really DOES hate this woman. No, not because she danced. But the troll highlighted an undeniable truth in general when it comes to the right and how they have been treating her. And FWIW, I think they are treating her like that for the reason everyone says: they are terrified of her and people like her.
    Did whoever post the video leave a comment about how it makes her unfit or something?
    The only thing I've seen was that it was posted to humiliate her or something, but I haven't actually seen anything negative said about it.
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    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    I actually haven't even heard of the dance video until I saw it here. I don't think anyone of big influence or importance is really talking about it or even cares. When I tried to search it I found far more people complaining about people complaining about the video than those who actually complaining about it to begin with, which just to me seems like trying to blow up a non-issue. I think I worded that confusing enough.
    That's what I've been saying about this too.
    All these things are true, but I think you guys are forgetting that right-wing trolls actually do play a significant role now, too. That's why Russia is flooding the west with troll accounts now. What online trolls do and say is no longer irrelevant, unfortunately.
    But that doesn't explain why the number of complaints about the complainers outnumber the original complainers 10 to 1. That's why to me this seems like a non-issue that has falsely blown up to make others look bad (and not by Russia), when there never was an issue to begin with.  If the media and social media didn't get upset over the attempt of one person to poke fun of her, I never would have even heard of this dance. 
    The point is no one thinks anything negative of this, but it is being painted by social media (and regular media) as "The old white male republican club can't stand a woman dancing" when no one cares.
    I assume the issue is that there are ANY right-wingers who tried to use that to criticize her - it's so ludicrous. I figure the one to "blame" here is whatever right wing moron who did that, because shit like that makes everyone on the right look bad. That's how it works, and it works both ways, as we all know. But also because that video is so very entertaining on its own, and references insanely famous American pop culture.
    But also, the right really DOES hate this woman. No, not because she danced. But the troll highlighted an undeniable truth in general when it comes to the right and how they have been treating her. And FWIW, I think they are treating her like that for the reason everyone says: they are terrified of her and people like her.
    Good point.
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,418
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    I actually haven't even heard of the dance video until I saw it here. I don't think anyone of big influence or importance is really talking about it or even cares. When I tried to search it I found far more people complaining about people complaining about the video than those who actually complaining about it to begin with, which just to me seems like trying to blow up a non-issue. I think I worded that confusing enough.
    That's what I've been saying about this too.
    All these things are true, but I think you guys are forgetting that right-wing trolls actually do play a significant role now, too. That's why Russia is flooding the west with troll accounts now. What online trolls do and say is no longer irrelevant, unfortunately.
    But that doesn't explain why the number of complaints about the complainers outnumber the original complainers 10 to 1. That's why to me this seems like a non-issue that has falsely blown up to make others look bad (and not by Russia), when there never was an issue to begin with.  If the media and social media didn't get upset over the attempt of one person to poke fun of her, I never would have even heard of this dance. 
    The point is no one thinks anything negative of this, but it is being painted by social media (and regular media) as "The old white male republican club can't stand a woman dancing" when no one cares.
    I assume the issue is that there are ANY right-wingers who tried to use that to criticize her - it's so ludicrous. I figure the one to "blame" here is whatever right wing moron who did that, because shit like that makes everyone on the right look bad. That's how it works, and it works both ways, as we all know. But also because that video is so very entertaining on its own, and references insanely famous American pop culture.
    But also, the right really DOES hate this woman. No, not because she danced. But the troll highlighted an undeniable truth in general when it comes to the right and how they have been treating her. And FWIW, I think they are treating her like that for the reason everyone says: they are terrified of her and people like her.
    Did whoever post the video leave a comment about how it makes her unfit or something?
    The only thing I've seen was that it was posted to humiliate her or something, but I haven't actually seen anything negative said about it.
    How and why did the video surface to begin with?  Someone obviously wanted to paint a negative picture.
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    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    I actually haven't even heard of the dance video until I saw it here. I don't think anyone of big influence or importance is really talking about it or even cares. When I tried to search it I found far more people complaining about people complaining about the video than those who actually complaining about it to begin with, which just to me seems like trying to blow up a non-issue. I think I worded that confusing enough.
    That's what I've been saying about this too.
    All these things are true, but I think you guys are forgetting that right-wing trolls actually do play a significant role now, too. That's why Russia is flooding the west with troll accounts now. What online trolls do and say is no longer irrelevant, unfortunately.
    But that doesn't explain why the number of complaints about the complainers outnumber the original complainers 10 to 1. That's why to me this seems like a non-issue that has falsely blown up to make others look bad (and not by Russia), when there never was an issue to begin with.  If the media and social media didn't get upset over the attempt of one person to poke fun of her, I never would have even heard of this dance. 
    The point is no one thinks anything negative of this, but it is being painted by social media (and regular media) as "The old white male republican club can't stand a woman dancing" when no one cares.
    I assume the issue is that there are ANY right-wingers who tried to use that to criticize her - it's so ludicrous. I figure the one to "blame" here is whatever right wing moron who did that, because shit like that makes everyone on the right look bad. That's how it works, and it works both ways, as we all know. But also because that video is so very entertaining on its own, and references insanely famous American pop culture.
    But also, the right really DOES hate this woman. No, not because she danced. But the troll highlighted an undeniable truth in general when it comes to the right and how they have been treating her. And FWIW, I think they are treating her like that for the reason everyone says: they are terrified of her and people like her.
    Did whoever post the video leave a comment about how it makes her unfit or something?
    The only thing I've seen was that it was posted to humiliate her or something, but I haven't actually seen anything negative said about it.
    How and why did the video surface to begin with?  Someone obviously wanted to paint a negative picture.
    Yes but like PJ_Soul said that there is so many fake accounts out there that this may have been one of those.

    I have literally only read one tweet about this from a known "conservative" on twitter whom isn't famous.  He is now though, lol if he is a real person.  That is the only negative thing I have seen about the video.

    They tried to make it look negative but it wasn't and because it was from a "conservative" it puts a negative light on the Conservative/Repubs now.

    It's black helicopter shit but is completely plausible.


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    pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,191
    here is what bothers me about this.  why does everyone say she is dancing as a high schooler...but to my understanding the dance video was taken when she was a student at Boston University.  am i wrong?
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    pjhawks said:
    here is what bothers me about this.  why does everyone say she is dancing as a high schooler...but to my understanding the dance video was taken when she was a student at Boston University.  am i wrong?
    Again the misinformation train is still going...

    Yes, you are correct in that this was shot during college.  The initial story came out that she was in HS but later proved false and that she was in university.
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,991
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    I actually haven't even heard of the dance video until I saw it here. I don't think anyone of big influence or importance is really talking about it or even cares. When I tried to search it I found far more people complaining about people complaining about the video than those who actually complaining about it to begin with, which just to me seems like trying to blow up a non-issue. I think I worded that confusing enough.
    That's what I've been saying about this too.
    All these things are true, but I think you guys are forgetting that right-wing trolls actually do play a significant role now, too. That's why Russia is flooding the west with troll accounts now. What online trolls do and say is no longer irrelevant, unfortunately.
    But that doesn't explain why the number of complaints about the complainers outnumber the original complainers 10 to 1. That's why to me this seems like a non-issue that has falsely blown up to make others look bad (and not by Russia), when there never was an issue to begin with.  If the media and social media didn't get upset over the attempt of one person to poke fun of her, I never would have even heard of this dance. 
    The point is no one thinks anything negative of this, but it is being painted by social media (and regular media) as "The old white male republican club can't stand a woman dancing" when no one cares.
    I assume the issue is that there are ANY right-wingers who tried to use that to criticize her - it's so ludicrous. I figure the one to "blame" here is whatever right wing moron who did that, because shit like that makes everyone on the right look bad. That's how it works, and it works both ways, as we all know. But also because that video is so very entertaining on its own, and references insanely famous American pop culture.
    But also, the right really DOES hate this woman. No, not because she danced. But the troll highlighted an undeniable truth in general when it comes to the right and how they have been treating her. And FWIW, I think they are treating her like that for the reason everyone says: they are terrified of her and people like her.
    Did whoever post the video leave a comment about how it makes her unfit or something?
    The only thing I've seen was that it was posted to humiliate her or something, but I haven't actually seen anything negative said about it.
    How and why did the video surface to begin with?  Someone obviously wanted to paint a negative picture.
    I have no idea. And if I just saw this video without any context or comments, my first thoughts would not be that someone was trying to shame or slander her. I would at the least think it was just meant to be fun, and maybe even think they were trying to be positive and show her fun side. Thats why I was curious if anyone knows how it was actually shared because I haven't seen anything. Like I said, I actually haven;t even seen anything negative said about it, so I just don't know where all this defense towards the haters are even coming from.
    And as pjhawks pointed out, most of the "Defenders" refer to her as an innocent high school girl, when she clearly looks much older and has been identified many times as college aged. Again, to me just looks like a "poor little high school girl being attacked" when there's really nothing being said to begin with.
    This whole story still puzzles me, if you search this topic all you get are people defending her, when no one is even attacking her. 
    ANd no, one right extreme idiot does not make everyone look bad. You can't search a single person without finding some negative comments. If you search "was Mother Teresa a good person?" the first several results are all people arguing no. So just because 1 random person that no one has ever heard of says one bad thing is so irrelevant. And it's so weird that this is getting any attention at all.
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    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    I actually haven't even heard of the dance video until I saw it here. I don't think anyone of big influence or importance is really talking about it or even cares. When I tried to search it I found far more people complaining about people complaining about the video than those who actually complaining about it to begin with, which just to me seems like trying to blow up a non-issue. I think I worded that confusing enough.
    That's what I've been saying about this too.
    All these things are true, but I think you guys are forgetting that right-wing trolls actually do play a significant role now, too. That's why Russia is flooding the west with troll accounts now. What online trolls do and say is no longer irrelevant, unfortunately.
    But that doesn't explain why the number of complaints about the complainers outnumber the original complainers 10 to 1. That's why to me this seems like a non-issue that has falsely blown up to make others look bad (and not by Russia), when there never was an issue to begin with.  If the media and social media didn't get upset over the attempt of one person to poke fun of her, I never would have even heard of this dance. 
    The point is no one thinks anything negative of this, but it is being painted by social media (and regular media) as "The old white male republican club can't stand a woman dancing" when no one cares.
    I assume the issue is that there are ANY right-wingers who tried to use that to criticize her - it's so ludicrous. I figure the one to "blame" here is whatever right wing moron who did that, because shit like that makes everyone on the right look bad. That's how it works, and it works both ways, as we all know. But also because that video is so very entertaining on its own, and references insanely famous American pop culture.
    But also, the right really DOES hate this woman. No, not because she danced. But the troll highlighted an undeniable truth in general when it comes to the right and how they have been treating her. And FWIW, I think they are treating her like that for the reason everyone says: they are terrified of her and people like her.
    Did whoever post the video leave a comment about how it makes her unfit or something?
    The only thing I've seen was that it was posted to humiliate her or something, but I haven't actually seen anything negative said about it.
    How and why did the video surface to begin with?  Someone obviously wanted to paint a negative picture.
    I have no idea. And if I just saw this video without any context or comments, my first thoughts would not be that someone was trying to shame or slander her. I would at the least think it was just meant to be fun, and maybe even think they were trying to be positive and show her fun side. Thats why I was curious if anyone knows how it was actually shared because I haven't seen anything. Like I said, I actually haven;t even seen anything negative said about it, so I just don't know where all this defense towards the haters are even coming from.
    And as pjhawks pointed out, most of the "Defenders" refer to her as an innocent high school girl, when she clearly looks much older and has been identified many times as college aged. Again, to me just looks like a "poor little high school girl being attacked" when there's really nothing being said to begin with.
    This whole story still puzzles me, if you search this topic all you get are people defending her, when no one is even attacking her. 
    ANd no, one right extreme idiot does not make everyone look bad. You can't search a single person without finding some negative comments. If you search "was Mother Teresa a good person?" the first several results are all people arguing no. So just because 1 random person that no one has ever heard of says one bad thing is so irrelevant. And it's so weird that this is getting any attention at all.
    The original and ONLY tweet about it has been deleted.

    So basically everyone has been piggybacking off of other peoples stories.
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    It's FOX but they seem to see the same thing that only 1 tweet sparked an outrage, or "fake outrage".

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dance-video-media-claims
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,418
    It's FOX but they seem to see the same thing that only 1 tweet sparked an outrage, or "fake outrage".

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dance-video-media-claims
    She's sure in the heads of people in the comment section on that article.  Perhaps not about the dancing, but my god Fox News viewers are neanderthals.
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,991
    pjhawks said:
    here is what bothers me about this.  why does everyone say she is dancing as a high schooler...but to my understanding the dance video was taken when she was a student at Boston University.  am i wrong?
    Ha, Just watched it for the second time because the link had the longer (whole?) clip.
    what I just noticed is that everyone in the video is wearing a Boston shirt. That makes this even funnier.
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    pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,191
    It's FOX but they seem to see the same thing that only 1 tweet sparked an outrage, or "fake outrage".

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dance-video-media-claims
    so what is the number of tweets allowed before outrage is ok if 1 isn't enough?  2, 5, 10, 50...?
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    pjhawks said:
    It's FOX but they seem to see the same thing that only 1 tweet sparked an outrage, or "fake outrage".

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dance-video-media-claims
    so what is the number of tweets allowed before outrage is ok if 1 isn't enough?  2, 5, 10, 50...?
    At least 2...

    You aren't getting it though.  One person tweeted and all of the conservative right was to blame for this one persons tweet.

    Fake outrage.

    My .02.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    pjhawks said:
    It's FOX but they seem to see the same thing that only 1 tweet sparked an outrage, or "fake outrage".

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dance-video-media-claims
    so what is the number of tweets allowed before outrage is ok if 1 isn't enough?  2, 5, 10, 50...?
    At least 2...

    You aren't getting it though.  One person tweeted and all of the conservative right was to blame for this one persons tweet.

    Fake outrage.

    My .02.
    of course all tweets originate from one source. but I saw that tweet, and I also saw the comments on that tweet. the tweets from trumpsters were disgusting. to be fair,though, there were loads of people on there who say they don't agree with her policies that said they liked her more after seeing that video, it made her relatable, it was cute, etc. 

    but there was plenty of disgusting comments. enough for it to be a story? hard to tell. i didn't scroll through the entire thread of thousands of comments or retweets. hard to really guage what is worthy of "outrage" and what isn't. 

    for the record: "outrage" is being overused and has lost all meaning. People can think that something is out of step with professional behaviour without it always being labelled as "outrage". 
    Darwinspeed, all. 

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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,086
    pjhawks said:
    It's FOX but they seem to see the same thing that only 1 tweet sparked an outrage, or "fake outrage".

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dance-video-media-claims
    so what is the number of tweets allowed before outrage is ok if 1 isn't enough?  2, 5, 10, 50...?
    At least 2...

    You aren't getting it though.  One person tweeted and all of the conservative right was to blame for this one persons tweet.

    Fake outrage.

    My .02.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,513
    pjhawks said:
    It's FOX but they seem to see the same thing that only 1 tweet sparked an outrage, or "fake outrage".

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dance-video-media-claims
    so what is the number of tweets allowed before outrage is ok if 1 isn't enough?  2, 5, 10, 50...?
    At least 2...

    You aren't getting it though.  One person tweeted and all of the conservative right was to blame for this one persons tweet.

    Fake outrage.

    My .02.
    of course all tweets originate from one source. but I saw that tweet, and I also saw the comments on that tweet. the tweets from trumpsters were disgusting. to be fair,though, there were loads of people on there who say they don't agree with her policies that said they liked her more after seeing that video, it made her relatable, it was cute, etc. 

    but there was plenty of disgusting comments. enough for it to be a story? hard to tell. i didn't scroll through the entire thread of thousands of comments or retweets. hard to really guage what is worthy of "outrage" and what isn't. 

    for the record: "outrage" is being overused and has lost all meaning. People can think that something is out of step with professional behaviour without it always being labelled as "outrage". 
    Yes, this is a good point. You don't just look at original tweets. The replies to tweets are generally the most meaningful thing.
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