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If your case is accurate, then it's pathetic and sad. I refuse to believe that this carnival barker is the new norm and Democrats should throw away "wonky" positions because some are too lazy to think about the actual policies. If that's the future, no fucking thanks. The great leaders of this country had ideas, policies and a positive message. Trump barely has any of those. I would never want the POTUS I support to be progressive Trump. A majority of the country is better than that. We must be better than that.0
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This is Obama's statement in full - he understood Trumpism before it was a thing. The 6 words were taken out of context to demonize him - but he was stating exactly the same problem that Trump latched on to.
You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. [Obama]
So, now that we all know that we understand what the problem is. How are you going to make life better for those people. Not by flipping the house - what is your bumper sticker, saying, and make sure you don't let them down because everyone has done so. The jobs aren't coming back; although Trump lies to them that they are. So what do you propose the Democrats do to make life better for these people so they do not retreat into this stance. Bumper stickers and MAGA hits are great. But they will realize that they aren't getting any jobs and that their crops and products are slipping away due to tariffs that make it impossible for them to secure buyers.
Tell us what the answer is.
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Its always been a popularity contest mostly decided by the more talented candidate, the natural pendulum/zeitgeist of the moment, and bumper stickers...mrussel1 said:If your case is accurate, then it's pathetic and sad. I refuse to believe that this carnival barker is the new norm and Democrats should throw away "wonky" positions because some are too lazy to think about the actual policies. If that's the future, no fucking thanks. The great leaders of this country had ideas, policies and a positive message. Trump barely has any of those. I would never want the POTUS I support to be progressive Trump. A majority of the country is better than that. We must be better than that.
JFK the dem won because he looked better on TV in a debate... Nixon the repub won because LBJ quit and the Vietnam War... Carter the dem beat Ford because of the Nixon stench... Reagan, a charismatic actor, with a simple slogan of government is bad and Make America Great Again beat Carter when the economy stalled and Iran hostage crisis... Dukakis hopped on a tank and Willie Horton killed someone... Clinton beat HW because he was a young natural talent, rock star type politician playing the sax on MTV, and the repubs had the POTUS for 12 years... Bush beat Gore because the dems had the office for 8 years and Gore was a stiff who couldnt carry his home state during a strong economy... Kerry was a huge stiff... Obama is a rockstar, the economy tanks, war, and a bumper sticker slogan of "Hope"... natural born campaigner with a billion dollar smile... and the frankly sets the modern high water mark... 2016... reality star... media obsessed/savvy... enterainer... bumper sticker slogans MAGA, Build The Wall, stiff dem candidate follwing 8 years of dem controlled POTUS, who happened to be a star... Hillary following Obama was like me trying to follow up Pearl Jam on a stage, it was awful
Yeah, i'm sorry, i don't see general POTUS elections as being decided by wonk, not in the TV era... if your general platform and message doesnt fit on a bumper sticker, you're in trouble... it's all entertainment, you need a star, or the pendulum, or both... hopefully the pendulum is there for ys in 2020 and we have a great candidate
Name recognition is also a HUGE deal when it comes to POTUS...
Some of you will not like me saying it, but i think Bernie wins the nomination
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Link?my2hands said:Its always been a popularity contest mostly decided by the more talented candidate, the natural pendulum/zeitgeist of the moment, and bumper stickers...
JFK the dem won because he looked better on TV in a debate... Nixon the repub won because LBJ quit and the Vietnam War... Carter the dem beat Ford because of the Nixon stench... Reagan, a charismatic actor, with a simple slogan of government is bad and Make America Great Again beat Carter when the economy stalled and Iran hostage crisis... Dukakis hopped on a tank and Willie Horton killed someone... Clinton beat HW because he was a young natural talent, rock star type politician playing the sax on MTV, and the repubs had the POTUS for 12 years... Bush beat Gore because the dems had the office for 8 years and Gore was a stiff... Kerry was a huge stiff... Obama is a rockstar, the economy tanks, war, and a bumper sticker slogan of "Hope"... natural born campaigner with a billion dollar smile... and the frankly sets the modern high water mark... 2016... reality star... media obsessed/savvy... enterainer... bumper sticker slogans MAGA, Build The Wall, stiff dem candidate follwing 8 years of dem controlled POTUS, who happened to be a star... Hillary following Obama was like me trying to follow up Pearl Jam on a stage, it was awful
Yeah, i'm sorry, i don't see general POTUS elections as being decided by wonk, not in the TV era... if your general platform and message doesnt fit on a bumper sticker, you're in trouble... it's all entertainment, you need a star, or the pendulum, or both... hopefully the pendulum is there for ys in 2020 and we have a great candidate
Name recognition is also a HUGE deal when it comes to POTUS...
Some of you will not like me saying it, but i think Bernie wins the nomination09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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What was Clinton’s campaign slogan and what did the press dub him. Bernie? You been smokin’ bro?my2hands said:Its always been a popularity contest mostly decided by the more talented candidate, the natural pendulum/zeitgeist of the moment, and bumper stickers...
JFK the dem won because he looked better on TV in a debate... Nixon the repub won because LBJ quit and the Vietnam War... Carter the dem beat Ford because of the Nixon stench... Reagan, a charismatic actor, with a simple slogan of government is bad and Make America Great Again beat Carter when the economy stalled and Iran hostage crisis... Dukakis hopped on a tank and Willie Horton killed someone... Clinton beat HW because he was a young natural talent, rock star type politician playing the sax on MTV, and the repubs had the POTUS for 12 years... Bush beat Gore because the dems had the office for 8 years and Gore was a stiff who couldnt carry his home state during a strong economy... Kerry was a huge stiff... Obama is a rockstar, the economy tanks, war, and a bumper sticker slogan of "Hope"... natural born campaigner with a billion dollar smile... and the frankly sets the modern high water mark... 2016... reality star... media obsessed/savvy... enterainer... bumper sticker slogans MAGA, Build The Wall, stiff dem candidate follwing 8 years of dem controlled POTUS, who happened to be a star... Hillary following Obama was like me trying to follow up Pearl Jam on a stage, it was awful
Yeah, i'm sorry, i don't see general POTUS elections as being decided by wonk, not in the TV era... if your general platform and message doesnt fit on a bumper sticker, you're in trouble... it's all entertainment, you need a star, or the pendulum, or both... hopefully the pendulum is there for ys in 2020 and we have a great candidate
Name recognition is also a HUGE deal when it comes to POTUS...
Some of you will not like me saying it, but i think Bernie wins the nomination09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Bill was a rock star... and repubs had the oval for 12... charming southerner... played the sax on mtv... and somewhat admitted to dancing with mary... with a stalled economy (i think) and a GOP POTUS that raised taxes? no slogan needed
Read. My. Lips.
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He played the sax on Arsenio Hall.my2hands said:Bill was a rock star... and repubs had the oval for 12... charming southerner... played the sax on mtv... and somewhat admitted to dancing with mary... with a stalled economy (i think) and a GOP POTUS that raised taxes? no slogan needed
Read. My. Lips.
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I always called him Slick Willy... is that what the press dubbed him? I honestly don't remember
Then he stuck his Willie in a 20something intern. Smooth move, ex lax.0 -
You've lost all credibility. Seriously, that was just a horrible post.
You were asked to come up with some ideas and you are posting about sticking Willies.
And Bernie would be eaten alive. Completely wrong direction. Not even a consideration.0 -
I lost credibility because slick willy got a slick willie?
It's Saturday night, lighten up
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#metoo
#unlessit'sademocrat
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Pardon me, that is correctnjnancy said:He played the sax on Arsenio Hall.
Same thing for the point though, thats entertainment not a policy platform. Aresnio was a hit show with younger people. Brilliant move. Too bad bad Beto can only play air drums0 -
All you did was run down the made for tv moments of past elections. But you are absolutely downplaying the seriousness of those presidents (other than W), and the fact they actually had platforms and a set of principles. Trump doesn't. It's one marketing campaign after another. Sorry, those are not apt comparisons to who this president is, what he represents , and the damage he is doing to the country. No leader should ever stoop to this level.my2hands said:I lost credibility because slick willy got a slick willie?
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brianlux said:
I have seltzer, wine would make it more entertaining but I"m coming up on 22 years Tuesday so have some extra for me Mr. Lux.
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Congrats on 22 years!!njnancy said:I have seltzer, wine would make it more entertaining but I"m coming up on 22 years Tuesday so have some extra for me Mr. Lux.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
That wasn't my point at allmrussel1 said:All you did was run down the made for tv moments of past elections. But you are absolutely downplaying the seriousness of those presidents (other than W), and the fact they actually had platforms and a set of principles. Trump doesn't. It's one marketing campaign after another. Sorry, those are not apt comparisons to who this president is, what he represents , and the damage he is doing to the country. No leader should ever stoop to this level.0 -
Agree. The Presidential candidate has to have appeal because Dems have to fall in love (and topping Obama will be tough) but the person has to have a solid background and be able to have a firm grasp on the issues that are important to the country and be able to authentically explain how they are going to implement those policies.mrussel1 said:All you did was run down the made for tv moments of past elections. But you are absolutely downplaying the seriousness of those presidents (other than W), and the fact they actually had platforms and a set of principles. Trump doesn't. It's one marketing campaign after another. Sorry, those are not apt comparisons to who this president is, what he represents , and the damage he is doing to the country. No leader should ever stoop to this level.
Hilary was not a rock star and Trump had the appeal of a brash, no political correctness, reality TV star. The sad thing is that Hilary had actual real depth in her knowledge of the issues on both the domestic and international front whereas Trump had no idea (nor does he have any desire to understand anything) and absolutely no policy ideas. He ran on fear. And the person who was more qualified got more votes but lost because of the damn electoral college.
We are living on top of each other where I reside, but rocks and tumbleweed have as much decision power as I.
SNL is on right now and it's pretty damn funny so
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22 years old?njnancy said:I have seltzer, wine would make it more entertaining but I"m coming up on 22 years Tuesday so have some extra for me Mr. Lux.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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