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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    I haven't been on here for a while, just checking, has Trump received his Nobel Prize yet?
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  • unsung
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    edited November 2018
    https://www.newsweek.com/are-koreas-finally-about-make-peace-us-helps-disarm-border-1188018?fbclid=IwAR2LD7UjjRB8_sxL2CJPT62raZDri3Joej6S_Y0Zq8I1rt8p2AUeVdOgdVM

    What is it about potential peace on the Korean peninsula that scares the left?
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    unsung said:
    https://www.newsweek.com/are-koreas-finally-about-make-peace-us-helps-disarm-border-1188018?fbclid=IwAR2LD7UjjRB8_sxL2CJPT62raZDri3Joej6S_Y0Zq8I1rt8p2AUeVdOgdVM

    What is it about potential peace on the Korean peninsula that scares the left?
    It doesn’t just scare the left, it scares your generals who need and like war, it scares politicians on both sides who receive lobbying cash from military suppliers...
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    Having followed threads like this one and reading Henry Rollins' account of visiting NK (and even better, recently seeing his travel talk/ slideshow which included a bit on NK), I've become interested in and fascinated by this strange little country.  What has really been teaching me a lot about this place so riddled with horrible problems is this amazing story published in 2012, Escape From Camp 14 by Blaine Harden.    Highly recommended not for it literary prowess (OK that way, not great), but for the insight into this very troubled country. 

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    Having followed threads like this one and reading Henry Rollins' account of visiting NK (and even better, recently seeing his travel talk/ slideshow which included a bit on NK), I've become interested in and fascinated by this strange little country.  What has really been teaching me a lot about this place so riddled with horrible problems is this amazing story published in 2012, Escape From Camp 14 by Blaine Harden.    Highly recommended not for it literary prowess (OK that way, not great), but for the insight into this very troubled country. 

    There are youtube videos of him being interviewed.  Fascinating story.  There are also plenty of youtube videos of folks filming the country when they are in it.  It is a fascinating country.  Just not high on my visitor's list.
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  • brianlux
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    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Having followed threads like this one and reading Henry Rollins' account of visiting NK (and even better, recently seeing his travel talk/ slideshow which included a bit on NK), I've become interested in and fascinated by this strange little country.  What has really been teaching me a lot about this place so riddled with horrible problems is this amazing story published in 2012, Escape From Camp 14 by Blaine Harden.    Highly recommended not for it literary prowess (OK that way, not great), but for the insight into this very troubled country. 

    There are youtube videos of him being interviewed.  Fascinating story.  There are also plenty of youtube videos of folks filming the country when they are in it.  It is a fascinating country.  Just not high on my visitor's list.
    Not on my list, that's for sure.  But mainly because both from hearing Rollins talk about it and even Harden, author of the book I mentioned, a man who has strong connections and has been to and reported about places that are very difficult to access- even he said that there was little to learn from his visit to Pyongyang.  He basically said, "I was led around by my keepers and shown what they wanted to see.  I learned next to nothing."  It's an incredibly closed nation. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,644
    unsung said:
    https://www.newsweek.com/are-koreas-finally-about-make-peace-us-helps-disarm-border-1188018?fbclid=IwAR2LD7UjjRB8_sxL2CJPT62raZDri3Joej6S_Y0Zq8I1rt8p2AUeVdOgdVM

    What is it about potential peace on the Korean peninsula that scares the left?
    This is why. You fail to acknowledge the cry baby boy king in the Oval who hasn’t a clue. It’s not a pack-n-play Team Trump Treason.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/politics/north-korea-trump-pompeo-tensions/index.html
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  • brianlux
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    unsung said:
    https://www.newsweek.com/are-koreas-finally-about-make-peace-us-helps-disarm-border-1188018?fbclid=IwAR2LD7UjjRB8_sxL2CJPT62raZDri3Joej6S_Y0Zq8I1rt8p2AUeVdOgdVM

    What is it about potential peace on the Korean peninsula that scares the left?
    I didn't know the left was afraid of peace between the to Koreas.  I haven't read anything that gives me reason to not want peace between the two countries.  But then I don't know how well the situation is understood.   North Korea has been described as our enemy and a threat.  Yeah, there are some hostiles people in NK, but most are poor peasants who starve to death in droves.  Neither country is a major power.  What's the deal? 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    It’s not that the left is “afraid” of peace on the Korean Peninsula, its that the very stable genius Team Trump Treason is negotiating for our side. Can’t even take a question from a reporter for crying out loud. ❄️❄️❄️
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    How can you honestly fault Trump on this one?  I think your TDS is clouding your judgement.  If nothing else this should be the one thing you give him credit for, he did get this process going when past Presidents preferred a policy of isolation and sanctions.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,644
    unsung said:
    How can you honestly fault Trump on this one?  I think your TDS is clouding your judgement.  If nothing else this should be the one thing you give him credit for, he did get this process going when past Presidents preferred a policy of isolation and sanctions.
    Because he claimed success when nothing has changed except the two sides stare each other down with less troops and Little Rocket Man is getting pissy because Team Trump Treason hasn’t given him anything. A zero sum game might work on developers and contractors but not a nation with nuclear weapons and backed by China.
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  • unsung
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    Sorry man, I posted a link that shows progress.  Admit when you are wrong, it is ok to do.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    unsung said:
    Sorry man, I posted a link that shows progress.  Admit when you are wrong, it is ok to do.
    You mean like you do? More thread police. We need more of those. Yea and previous administrations reported “progress” as well.
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  • unsung
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    Have a good day.  I mean it.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    unsung said:
    Have a good day.  I mean it.
    I already am, thank you. You as well.
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  • brianlux
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    unsung said:
    How can you honestly fault Trump on this one?  I think your TDS is clouding your judgement.  If nothing else this should be the one thing you give him credit for, he did get this process going when past Presidents preferred a policy of isolation and sanctions.
    On the surface, it does look like Trump has had some influence on making peace happen in the Koreas.  But this begs the question:  What are his motives?
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  • unsung
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    Maybe it is peace.  Give it a chance, no?
  • brianlux
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    I'm all for that.  But for some reason, I don't trust Trumps motives as being simply for peace.  What has his life been all about up until now? 

    Money and attention, right?
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  • Meltdown99
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    brianlux said:
    unsung said:
    How can you honestly fault Trump on this one?  I think your TDS is clouding your judgement.  If nothing else this should be the one thing you give him credit for, he did get this process going when past Presidents preferred a policy of isolation and sanctions.
    On the surface, it does look like Trump has had some influence on making peace happen in the Koreas.  But this begs the question:  What are his motives?
    Trump Tower in the demilitarized zone as starters...
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    I'm all for that.  But for some reason, I don't trust Trumps motives as being simply for peace.  What has his life been all about up until now? 

    Money and attention, right?
    I do not know what his motives are.  I do think it is good for the area, he no longer lobs missiles over Japan.  Personally, just a guess ... but maybe he wants his Reagon moment, Reagon was considered a major factor in the wall coming down in Germany and taking on Communism, maybe Trump wants that moment.

    Just so you know, I am not getting into some long-winded Reagon debate, I'm just suggesting that maybe that is what Trump wants.  
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