Making a Murderer (Crime-Docu similar to West Memphis Three case)

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Dr. Delight said:
    Season 2 begins October 19th.
    giggity
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Anyone watching? Watched the first episode. This lawyer seems pretty crafty
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,446
    The Juggler said:
    Anyone watching? Watched the first episode. This lawyer seems pretty crafty
    But, I feel like we sort of know the gist of season 2... so i'm not as crazY as starting it as seasons 01.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    Season 2 is really good so far.  New attorney....interesting shit
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Gern Blansten said:
    Season 2 is really good so far.  New attorney....interesting shit
    I thought her buying the exact kind of car so she can do all those tests with the blood was a brilliant move. Then again, I thought his old lawyers were brilliant too and here she is critiquing all these things they did wrong....
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,446
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Season 2 is really good so far.  New attorney....interesting shit
    I thought her buying the exact kind of car so she can do all those tests with the blood was a brilliant move. Then again, I thought his old lawyers were brilliant too and here she is critiquing all these things they did wrong....
    Those two guys even came to Sweden to do a talk. Had their 15 minutes of fame. Wished I had gone to it. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Season 2 is really good so far.  New attorney....interesting shit
    I thought her buying the exact kind of car so she can do all those tests with the blood was a brilliant move. Then again, I thought his old lawyers were brilliant too and here she is critiquing all these things they did wrong....
    Yeah she is really sharp. I believe her though....if he did it I think she'll admit that he did it.

    I'm through episode 3 so far.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    So this is still going on?  I thought it was settled.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    Just finished it last night....crazy stuff.  Zellner's theory is amazing.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • VanEyck
    VanEyck Posts: 171
    edited October 2018
    Wasn't expecting S02 to be as captivating knowing what we know now but it was still fascinating and the pace was fine after the first half episode. 

    Really surprised the prosecution's repetitive soundbite about wanting "closure" is so effective in court as well as the media. It appears that closure trumps justice or am I crazy? I wouldn't trust Kratz to pour me a coffee. 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    VanEyck said:
    Wasn't expecting S02 to be as captivating knowing what we know now but it was still fascinating and the pace was fine after the first half episode. 

    Really surprised the defence's repetitive soundbite about wanting "closure" is so effective in court as well as the media. It appears that closure trumps justice or am I crazy? I wouldn't trust Kratz to pour me a coffee. 
    You mean the prosecution right?

    Yes it's insane.  I have a hard time believing that there could be as much collusion and corruption related to that case as there would have to be to pin Avery but it's really hard not to see how it could have happened.

    Just the evidence that was withheld from the defense should warrant a new trial alone.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • VanEyck
    VanEyck Posts: 171
    Gern Blansten said:
    VanEyck said:
    Wasn't expecting S02 to be as captivating knowing what we know now but it was still fascinating and the pace was fine after the first half episode. 

    Really surprised the defence's repetitive soundbite about wanting "closure" is so effective in court as well as the media. It appears that closure trumps justice or am I crazy? I wouldn't trust Kratz to pour me a coffee. 
    You mean the prosecution right?

    Yes it's insane.  I have a hard time believing that there could be as much collusion and corruption related to that case as there would have to be to pin Avery but it's really hard not to see how it could have happened.

    Just the evidence that was withheld from the defense should warrant a new trial alone.
    Oops yes prosecution (thanks).

    Yeah new trial seems inevitable but we could wait a long time it seems. Or they keep refusing to reopen the case and it's a stalemate. Wish Zellner had been arguing for Dassey. Things might have turned out differently. 
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Gern Blansten said:
    VanEyck said:
    Wasn't expecting S02 to be as captivating knowing what we know now but it was still fascinating and the pace was fine after the first half episode. 

    Really surprised the defence's repetitive soundbite about wanting "closure" is so effective in court as well as the media. It appears that closure trumps justice or am I crazy? I wouldn't trust Kratz to pour me a coffee. 
    You mean the prosecution right?

    Yes it's insane.  I have a hard time believing that there could be as much collusion and corruption related to that case as there would have to be to pin Avery but it's really hard not to see how it could have happened.

    Just the evidence that was withheld from the defense should warrant a new trial alone.
    I am not following this case or this series so can’t speak to the specifics, but I can say I’ve read a bit about some other cases in which individuals were eventually proved to be innocent, sometimes after years on death row, and the level of corruption amongst the prosecution has been mind/blowing, and frightening. 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    VanEyck said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    VanEyck said:
    Wasn't expecting S02 to be as captivating knowing what we know now but it was still fascinating and the pace was fine after the first half episode. 

    Really surprised the defence's repetitive soundbite about wanting "closure" is so effective in court as well as the media. It appears that closure trumps justice or am I crazy? I wouldn't trust Kratz to pour me a coffee. 
    You mean the prosecution right?

    Yes it's insane.  I have a hard time believing that there could be as much collusion and corruption related to that case as there would have to be to pin Avery but it's really hard not to see how it could have happened.

    Just the evidence that was withheld from the defense should warrant a new trial alone.
    Oops yes prosecution (thanks).

    Yeah new trial seems inevitable but we could wait a long time it seems. Or they keep refusing to reopen the case and it's a stalemate. Wish Zellner had been arguing for Dassey. Things might have turned out differently. 
    Yeah it was sad to hear Zellner comment about how she felt Dassey's attorney's screwed up in front of the Appeals Court.  I couldn't disagree with her...some of it was pretty obvious.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • VanEyck
    VanEyck Posts: 171
    Gern Blansten said:
    VanEyck said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    VanEyck said:
    Wasn't expecting S02 to be as captivating knowing what we know now but it was still fascinating and the pace was fine after the first half episode. 

    Really surprised the defence's repetitive soundbite about wanting "closure" is so effective in court as well as the media. It appears that closure trumps justice or am I crazy? I wouldn't trust Kratz to pour me a coffee. 
    You mean the prosecution right?

    Yes it's insane.  I have a hard time believing that there could be as much collusion and corruption related to that case as there would have to be to pin Avery but it's really hard not to see how it could have happened.

    Just the evidence that was withheld from the defense should warrant a new trial alone.
    Oops yes prosecution (thanks).

    Yeah new trial seems inevitable but we could wait a long time it seems. Or they keep refusing to reopen the case and it's a stalemate. Wish Zellner had been arguing for Dassey. Things might have turned out differently. 
    Yeah it was sad to hear Zellner comment about how she felt Dassey's attorney's screwed up in front of the Appeals Court.  I couldn't disagree with her...some of it was pretty obvious.
    It seemed like every time she was asked a question she had a chance to knock down an opponent but she didn't really succeed and it cost her precious points. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    The trucker that saw Halbach's RAV was interesting.  Another piece of evidence withheld.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    VanEyck said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    VanEyck said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    VanEyck said:
    Wasn't expecting S02 to be as captivating knowing what we know now but it was still fascinating and the pace was fine after the first half episode. 

    Really surprised the defence's repetitive soundbite about wanting "closure" is so effective in court as well as the media. It appears that closure trumps justice or am I crazy? I wouldn't trust Kratz to pour me a coffee. 
    You mean the prosecution right?

    Yes it's insane.  I have a hard time believing that there could be as much collusion and corruption related to that case as there would have to be to pin Avery but it's really hard not to see how it could have happened.

    Just the evidence that was withheld from the defense should warrant a new trial alone.
    Oops yes prosecution (thanks).

    Yeah new trial seems inevitable but we could wait a long time it seems. Or they keep refusing to reopen the case and it's a stalemate. Wish Zellner had been arguing for Dassey. Things might have turned out differently. 
    Yeah it was sad to hear Zellner comment about how she felt Dassey's attorney's screwed up in front of the Appeals Court.  I couldn't disagree with her...some of it was pretty obvious.
    It seemed like every time she was asked a question she had a chance to knock down an opponent but she didn't really succeed and it cost her precious points. 
    Yes especially when they asked her what the motive would be for the police to coerce Dassey...the fucking motive was to nail Avery, can't believe she missed that.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • VanEyck
    VanEyck Posts: 171
    Gern Blansten said:
    The trucker that saw Halbach's RAV was interesting.  Another piece of evidence withheld.
    Do you think the point of the whole show is to swing public opinion on the case to pressure the courts? Season 1 seemed more entertaining but Season 2 really had purpose (maybe I'm being Captain Obvious here). I wonder how much power a Netflix show can really have. I guess we'll see!
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    VanEyck said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    The trucker that saw Halbach's RAV was interesting.  Another piece of evidence withheld.
    Do you think the point of the whole show is to swing public opinion on the case to pressure the courts? Season 1 seemed more entertaining but Season 2 really had purpose (maybe I'm being Captain Obvious here). I wonder how much power a Netflix show can really have. I guess we'll see!
    Not sure...I honestly can't believe the courts didn't grant Dassey a new trial.  I don't think public pressure will help him at all.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Just finished episode 1 of season 2. 

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