Kavanaugh

Bentleyspop said:

mfc2006 said:

Party over morality. Disgusting.

Party over common sense and decency as well

Decency and morality are gone.  josevolution said:

rgambs said:

We deserve Kavanaugh.
A nation of deplorable trash deserves a Trump Presidency and a court full of Kavanaugh trash.

Agreed we deserve this total trash ..

This entire administration is total fucking trash.  Its beyond comprehension at this point.  

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Oh. And sorry you lost.  The beauty and genius of our framers is that you can now elect a Democrat House and Senate and in 2 years you can elect a Democrat President and you can continue to do so until the Court flips the way you want it.  And the pendulum will continue to swing.

Honestly, I find the whole thing funny b/c this fight is really about abortion and choice which most people would agree with you on, yet you've somehow managed to make this a Constitutional fight that you are completely wrong about.  You'd be better to voice that concern instead of the stupidity of the Democrats that plays right into Trump's hands in that he's diverted everyone's attention from the real issue.

So, for the record, if that was your argument, I'd agree with you. I hope choice stays in place. I actually believe it will b/c if the Supreme Court ever overturns Roe v Wade (which I actually believe they won't, but if they do), Congress will enact a STRONGER law to protect it while local courts put stays and other legal things in place to allow choice to continue until such a thing happens. Why? Because our framers are geniuses and created checks and balances and ways to shift power over time that makes sure the people's voices are heard even if there's times the pendulum swings too far one way at a particular time.

So, keep Trump in power by diverting from the issues and fighting battles not only can't you win but shouldn't.

Am I to infer you voted for Trump?

Hahahahhahahahahahahaha

I'll give you this: at least you admitted it.

I have no problem saying I voted for a guy who did a porn star before he was President rather than a woman who attacked sexual assault victims, including one that is the text book case of work place sexual harassment.

CM189191 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Oh. And sorry you lost.  The beauty and genius of our framers is....

....they knew politics wasn't a game with winners and losers.

It's a tool to create a functioning society.  

One of the rules of the boards is not editing someone else's quotes, but I fully agree and endorse the 2nd part of your comment.  However, I do take issue with the first part.  They really didn't KNOW that.  The definition of politics is there will be winners and losers  - or what is an election?  But, I'll let you slide because you got to their intent by editing what I said.

EdsonNascimento said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Oh. And sorry you lost.  The beauty and genius of our framers is that you can now elect a Democrat House and Senate and in 2 years you can elect a Democrat President and you can continue to do so until the Court flips the way you want it.  And the pendulum will continue to swing.

Honestly, I find the whole thing funny b/c this fight is really about abortion and choice which most people would agree with you on, yet you've somehow managed to make this a Constitutional fight that you are completely wrong about.  You'd be better to voice that concern instead of the stupidity of the Democrats that plays right into Trump's hands in that he's diverted everyone's attention from the real issue.

So, for the record, if that was your argument, I'd agree with you. I hope choice stays in place. I actually believe it will b/c if the Supreme Court ever overturns Roe v Wade (which I actually believe they won't, but if they do), Congress will enact a STRONGER law to protect it while local courts put stays and other legal things in place to allow choice to continue until such a thing happens. Why? Because our framers are geniuses and created checks and balances and ways to shift power over time that makes sure the people's voices are heard even if there's times the pendulum swings too far one way at a particular time.

So, keep Trump in power by diverting from the issues and fighting battles not only can't you win but shouldn't.

Am I to infer you voted for Trump?

Hahahahhahahahahahahaha

I'll give you this: at least you admitted it.

I have no problem saying I voted for a guy who did a porn star before he was President rather than a woman who attacked sexual assault victims, including one that is the text book case of work place sexual harassment.

You should have a problem saYing You voted for someone having Donald Trumps opinions and is to stupid or dishonest to admit climate change.

There is no excuse to vore for Trump. It isn't an either/or scenario.

It was just shittY. 100% shittY.

my2hands said:

I can't wait for them to overturn Roe v Wade. 

Maybe people will wake up and the country will come alive, I know my fat ass will hit the streets

I will bet you PJ tickets that never happens.   To that point - the case people point at to prove Kavanaugh is sure to overturn it was based on case law that had nothing to do with the abortion at hand.  So, while yes, the ultimate result was to not allow a timely abortion for someone, but from what I've read in the NYT and MSN the case was properly adjudicated (sorry - you have to read past the biased headlines and think for yourself). It's unfortunate, but that's the way judges are supposed to judge. Unlike the liberal side of the court that thinks they are supposed to be writing law, their job is actually to interpret the law as written (and btw, that's all the SCOTUS approval process should be about along with background checks).  If legislators think that's wrong, they need to fix the law.   He was not handling a Roe v. Wade case.  He was handling a case that had a situation that had that unfortunate effect. That may sound uncaring, but that's what courts are supposed to do.  I personally am sympathetic to the woman involved.  

Basic civics lesson.

That's what I think people are missing. Of course, now I'll be labeled a monster in these parts, but I'm fine with what a band's message board labels me.  As I have said before - I am extremely (is that possible?) pro choice.  I do not want Roe v Wade overturned.  But, that doesn't mean I circumvent the process or make illogical connections based on salacious headlines.   However, if I feel that strongly about it, I will vote those out I can that lead to that.  I personally think that risk is a lot lower than Henny Pennies are saying, but I'm happy they are voicing their concerns if they have them.    Sounds like you're not really all that concerned either, or you'd already be out of your chair.

josevolution said:

EdsonNascimento said:

rgambs said:

You two are both confusing health care costs with insurance cost.

I’m not.  I know exactly what I’m talking about.  Yes, that goes directly to that, but overall trend has not abated, but quite the opposite.  And, yes the expansion of Medicaid has contributed so wnat you are referring to does feed and is a cause of the overall expense increase.  

Yet the idiot in chief with both houses on his side they couldn’t come up with anything better than ACÁ how many years did they have to get a plan in place ? 

They actually are. You're just missing it because they aren't doing it by headlines.   Look into what's happening with the healthcare system including what Seema Verma has been doing to transform the healthcare system. You see, she realizes it takes time to move a complicated system and 70,000 pages of legislation and Billions of dollars given away vs. creating proper incentives and structural changes.  It will also be an iterative process. It won't be a straight line. But, there are things being put in place the last couple years and ongoing that is going to transform the system. However, it's not a straight giveaway, so some people think it's not happening.  

kce8 said:

So is it true that they could vote different tomorrow? 

yes

kce8 said:

So is it true that they could vote different tomorrow? 

Yes. Today's vote was just to prevent filibustering, so the vote goes forward.  The interesting thing is it's more likely someone who voted yes today vote no tomorrow than the other way around. I'm not talking about individuals. Just in concept.

The fact is the Democrats look really bad on this.  The Republicans have followed every procedure properly. As a matter of fact they went above and beyond past precedent despite the rhetoric (funny Ford's lawyers now want a private interview after neglecting to tell her that was offered before).
All this did was allow the vote which at this point they absolutely is what they should be doing and should have been approved 100-0. 

Tomorrow night's vote is all that matters. So, the Dems voted against prescribed procedure today. Tomorrow, Manchin and Collins can vote against and look like the smartest people in the room (if a no vote is what you're after).

Exactly, that's what I'm hoping for! 

Well, I'm more interested in American politics lately than in our own... 

EdsonNascimento said:

Abe Froman said:

Bentleyspop said:

Abe Froman said:

Bentleyspop said:

mfc2006 said:

Party over morality. Disgusting.

Party over common sense and decency as well

Decency and morality are gone.  josevolution said:

rgambs said:

We deserve Kavanaugh.
A nation of deplorable trash deserves a Trump Presidency and a court full of Kavanaugh trash.

Agreed we deserve this total trash ..

This entire administration is total fucking trash.  Its beyond comprehension at this point.  

Once again I have to ask what's worse?

This fucked up, narcissistic, hateful, lying trash of an administration. 

Or the  people who support it, believe  in it, and will  vote for it agan?

Both.  Its disturbing that people defend and actually back this garbage administration.  AND WILL VOTE FOR IT AGAIN!?!?  Its sickening.  

If the Dems put up a more moderate candidate who doesn't attack sexual assault victims, I bet they'd win (assuming the Economy doesn't keep zooming up which one would think it can't possibly, because that's ultimately what people vote on).

If they go all Elizabeth Warren on the country, they will lose.

The other candidate matters.

The economy was "zooming" up when tRump was elected.  And again you suggest that Hillary attacked sexual assault victims.

Truth is you have no idea what you are talking about.