Kavanaugh

cincybearcat said:

I watched the video of his speech in 2015. Clearly he is trying I make a joke....even mentioned that the dean reminded him of it. 

Adding all this really stupid criticism dilutes the message and concern regarding the alleged sexual assault. 

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

Bentleyspop said:

mace1229 said:

Bentleyspop said:

As far as I am concerned the reasons, in no particular order, that he should not be approved are....

1. Catholic conservative
2. Pro life
3. Believes the president is above the law 
4. Just don't trust him

2, 3 and 4 are fair points if they are important to you.
Why is it okay to discriminate against religion though?

His beliefs are dictated by the pope and the bible.
Maybe I should have said religious  conservative

So do you have an issue with someone being in office because they are religious? Or do you just not agree with the stance most religions organizations have.
Other than abortion, what issues do you have with religion in politics that are currently a topic?

separation of church and state. simple as that. 

So separation of church and state to you means politicians can't/shouldn't be active in a religion? 

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

Bentleyspop said:

mace1229 said:

Bentleyspop said:

As far as I am concerned the reasons, in no particular order, that he should not be approved are....

1. Catholic conservative
2. Pro life
3. Believes the president is above the law 
4. Just don't trust him

2, 3 and 4 are fair points if they are important to you.
Why is it okay to discriminate against religion though?

His beliefs are dictated by the pope and the bible.
Maybe I should have said religious  conservative

So do you have an issue with someone being in office because they are religious? Or do you just not agree with the stance most religions organizations have.
Other than abortion, what issues do you have with religion in politics that are currently a topic?

separation of church and state. simple as that. 

So separation of church and state to you means politicians can't/shouldn't be active in a religion? 

HFD is going to answer that for himself.... But come on, you don't really think that's what he meant, do you? I don't think anyone has ever thought that, have they?

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

Bentleyspop said:

mace1229 said:

Bentleyspop said:

As far as I am concerned the reasons, in no particular order, that he should not be approved are....

1. Catholic conservative
2. Pro life
3. Believes the president is above the law 
4. Just don't trust him

2, 3 and 4 are fair points if they are important to you.
Why is it okay to discriminate against religion though?

His beliefs are dictated by the pope and the bible.
Maybe I should have said religious  conservative

So do you have an issue with someone being in office because they are religious? Or do you just not agree with the stance most religions organizations have.
Other than abortion, what issues do you have with religion in politics that are currently a topic?

separation of church and state. simple as that. 

So separation of church and state to you means politicians can't/shouldn't be active in a religion? 

HFD is going to answer that for himself.... But come on, you don't really think that's what he meant, do you? I don't think anyone has ever thought that, have they?

It's a good question. Everyone has bias of some sort, whether openly obvious, or quietly private. It all depends on if the voter agrees with what impact those memberships mean for the type of issues they support. You can swap religion for Masons, Elks, NRA, Green Peace, Audobon Society, Rotary Club, etc. Membership in each one of those groups means you may never support a certain agenda that could benefit someone else. Religion is just the most obvious and controversial one because people like to "thank god" for their achievements and it irks those who see it differently.

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

dignin said:

cincybearcat said:

Elizabeth warren is freakin crazy. She is basically saying if you partied as a kid in high school or college then you can’t be a successful person. 

She should stick to the sexual assault issue and stay away from drinking with friends and jokes about doing stupid stuff.

Did she say that? I think she said she can't imagine America wanting someone like that on the supreme court. Being successful and being a supreme Court justice should have two very different bars of what's deemed appropriate behavior.

She’s an idiot either way. She shoulda focused on the sexual assault and not kids drinking in college!!!! The shock of it all!! Who does that????

Then, on Tuesday, an apparently truncated video clip of Judge Kavanaugh giving another speech emerged. Referring to his high school in 2015, he again modified the frequently used cliché: “What happens at Georgetown Prep, stays at Georgetown Prep.”

He added: “That’s been a good thing for all of us, I think.”

Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat of Massachusetts, tweeted the video of Judge Kavanaugh making the quip and said: “I can’t imagine any parent accepting this view. Is this really what America wants in its next Supreme Court Justice?”


She's not referring to the drinking; she's referring to the "what happens at Georgetown Prep....." statement, which typically is equivalent to "we'll just ignore any bad behaviour from that time and pretend it never happened", like when people refer to Vegas. Was he admitting to wrongdoing during the clip? Who knows.

It just sounds like he was fishing for laughs...making a stupid joke.  Wonder what every other Supreme Court judge was doing in college, let alone any politician.  Making a big deal out of this is only going to result in the majority of people rolling their eyes.  

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

dignin said:

cincybearcat said:

Elizabeth warren is freakin crazy. She is basically saying if you partied as a kid in high school or college then you can’t be a successful person. 

She should stick to the sexual assault issue and stay away from drinking with friends and jokes about doing stupid stuff.

Did she say that? I think she said she can't imagine America wanting someone like that on the supreme court. Being successful and being a supreme Court justice should have two very different bars of what's deemed appropriate behavior.

She’s an idiot either way. She shoulda focused on the sexual assault and not kids drinking in college!!!! The shock of it all!! Who does that????

Then, on Tuesday, an apparently truncated video clip of Judge Kavanaugh giving another speech emerged. Referring to his high school in 2015, he again modified the frequently used cliché: “What happens at Georgetown Prep, stays at Georgetown Prep.”

He added: “That’s been a good thing for all of us, I think.”

Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat of Massachusetts, tweeted the video of Judge Kavanaugh making the quip and said: “I can’t imagine any parent accepting this view. Is this really what America wants in its next Supreme Court Justice?”


She's not referring to the drinking; she's referring to the "what happens at Georgetown Prep....." statement, which typically is equivalent to "we'll just ignore any bad behaviour from that time and pretend it never happened", like when people refer to Vegas. Was he admitting to wrongdoing during the clip? Who knows.

It just sounds like he was fishing for laughs...making a stupid joke.  Wonder what every other Supreme Court judge was doing in college, let alone any politician.  Making a big deal out of this is only going to result in the majority of people rolling their eyes.  

rgambs said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

dignin said:

cincybearcat said:

Elizabeth warren is freakin crazy. She is basically saying if you partied as a kid in high school or college then you can’t be a successful person. 

She should stick to the sexual assault issue and stay away from drinking with friends and jokes about doing stupid stuff.

Did she say that? I think she said she can't imagine America wanting someone like that on the supreme court. Being successful and being a supreme Court justice should have two very different bars of what's deemed appropriate behavior.

She’s an idiot either way. She shoulda focused on the sexual assault and not kids drinking in college!!!! The shock of it all!! Who does that????

Then, on Tuesday, an apparently truncated video clip of Judge Kavanaugh giving another speech emerged. Referring to his high school in 2015, he again modified the frequently used cliché: “What happens at Georgetown Prep, stays at Georgetown Prep.”

He added: “That’s been a good thing for all of us, I think.”

Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat of Massachusetts, tweeted the video of Judge Kavanaugh making the quip and said: “I can’t imagine any parent accepting this view. Is this really what America wants in its next Supreme Court Justice?”


She's not referring to the drinking; she's referring to the "what happens at Georgetown Prep....." statement, which typically is equivalent to "we'll just ignore any bad behaviour from that time and pretend it never happened", like when people refer to Vegas. Was he admitting to wrongdoing during the clip? Who knows.

It just sounds like he was fishing for laughs...making a stupid joke.  Wonder what every other Supreme Court judge was doing in college, let alone any politician.  Making a big deal out of this is only going to result in the majority of people rolling their eyes.  

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

dignin said:

cincybearcat said:

Elizabeth warren is freakin crazy. She is basically saying if you partied as a kid in high school or college then you can’t be a successful person. 

She should stick to the sexual assault issue and stay away from drinking with friends and jokes about doing stupid stuff.

Did she say that? I think she said she can't imagine America wanting someone like that on the supreme court. Being successful and being a supreme Court justice should have two very different bars of what's deemed appropriate behavior.

She’s an idiot either way. She shoulda focused on the sexual assault and not kids drinking in college!!!! The shock of it all!! Who does that????

Then, on Tuesday, an apparently truncated video clip of Judge Kavanaugh giving another speech emerged. Referring to his high school in 2015, he again modified the frequently used cliché: “What happens at Georgetown Prep, stays at Georgetown Prep.”

He added: “That’s been a good thing for all of us, I think.”

Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat of Massachusetts, tweeted the video of Judge Kavanaugh making the quip and said: “I can’t imagine any parent accepting this view. Is this really what America wants in its next Supreme Court Justice?”


She's not referring to the drinking; she's referring to the "what happens at Georgetown Prep....." statement, which typically is equivalent to "we'll just ignore any bad behaviour from that time and pretend it never happened", like when people refer to Vegas. Was he admitting to wrongdoing during the clip? Who knows.

It just sounds like he was fishing for laughs...making a stupid joke.  Wonder what every other Supreme Court judge was doing in college, let alone any politician.  Making a big deal out of this is only going to result in the majority of people rolling their eyes.  

You think RBG and Sotomayor were big party animals too?

Boys will be boys, I guess. 
No need to worry about the past.

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

Bentleyspop said:

mace1229 said:

Bentleyspop said:

As far as I am concerned the reasons, in no particular order, that he should not be approved are....

1. Catholic conservative
2. Pro life
3. Believes the president is above the law 
4. Just don't trust him

2, 3 and 4 are fair points if they are important to you.
Why is it okay to discriminate against religion though?

His beliefs are dictated by the pope and the bible.
Maybe I should have said religious  conservative

So do you have an issue with someone being in office because they are religious? Or do you just not agree with the stance most religions organizations have.
Other than abortion, what issues do you have with religion in politics that are currently a topic?

separation of church and state. simple as that. 

So separation of church and state to you means politicians can't/shouldn't be active in a religion? 

HFD is going to answer that for himself.... But come on, you don't really think that's what he meant, do you? I don't think anyone has ever thought that, have they?

I wasn't truly sure. If I'm going to be specific, no I don;t think he thought religious people shouldn't be politicians, but maybe in the group that wishes they weren't. I wasn't clear, so I asked.
It seemed that several thought conservatives had no business in politics, that they would be incapable of separating their political jobs from their religious beliefs.
Honestly, I think it is flat out wrong to make a blanket statement like conservative Catholics should not be in office. I could understand if they added something like "A Catholic who was unable to govern without relying on religion to make every single decision." Fine, I get that concern. But just make a blanket statement that an entire group of people are unfit, I just don't agree with that. I don't see how that's any different that saying"homosexuals shouldn't be in office. They are obviously very liberal and are just going to push their liberal agenda everywhere" from saying "Conservative Cathoics just puppets of the Pope and can't be trusted to govern by separating church and state" as a blanket statement like that.

I know there are some politicians who can separate their religion from their politics, and I appreciate that... it gets MUCH more rare when you're talking about evangelicals. Rare enough that it makes me extremely uncomfortable for them to be in office, but I think it's pretty damned reasonable to not want religious fanatics in government. I think even evangelicals don't want that... if the fanatic isn't Christian.

FWIW, Stephen Harper, Canada's ex-PM, who I despise, does deserve credit. He is actually an evangelical, but did a pretty good job of keeping his religion out of politics. Not a perfect job - he still stood firmly against death with dignity legislation (which we got as soon as he left office). But still, for a fanatic, he showed great restraint. Too bad he didn't do that a good a job with a bunch of other things.