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I dont disagree, but I do think there are more questions and reasons to question the events of 9/11 than the Sandy Hook goofballs attacking those poor families.mrussel1 said:I suppose anything is possible, but I lived near DC at the time and I saw the damage at the Pentagon. You couldn't really see it from 395, you had to get off at Pentagon City and loop around to get a look. It was bad. Plus, there were two people that lived on my street, who I knew well, that were in the Pentagon that day. One was a Lt. Colonel. Sure he could have been in on the whole thing, if you want to take it that far, but he described it to me in pretty graphic detail.
No offense, but the false flag here is as likely as Sandy Hook being a false flag as well.
PNAC
Operation Northwoods
WTC7
Lack of debris at crash sites
Clear phone calls from 30,000 feet
NORAD drills
Iraq Invasion
I see motive. I see past plans presented committing similar false flag attacks. I see ONAC suggesting such an attack was necessary. I see interesting questions surrounding the events that day. I dont know what happened, it was a horrific day no matter what happened, but I will likely always wonder.
But of course simple common sense should come into play as well, how many people would have to be in on it and how they hell would you keep everyone quiet. That's the #1 problem with a large conspiracy, how the hell would it not be out by now? So yeah,I'm not claiming it's an inside job, just think it's fine to continue to look at it and wonder
Yeah, I dont see 9/11 and Sandy Hook as anywhere near the same class. I think the SH folks are kooks, and should be strung up by their toenails if they harass those poor families in anyway.
And remember, as a result the administration in power had no problem blatantly lying to us, the un, and the world to justify an invasion and resulting slaughter of a few hundred thousand people. So they were willing to lie, knowing an invasion would result in countless deaths, to achieve their goal. What's the difference, you think American citizens would actually matter to monsters like that? "Smoking gun mushroom cloud" Did I mention most of those guys were a major part of PNAC and subscribers to the ideas it brought to the table?
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Yes I know they are all PNAC and they advocated a proactive war with Iraq to protect Israel. But I also believe in Occam's Razor and this is a good example. They spun the legitimate attack by Bin Laden into a broader war against Iraq, to achieve the purposes lined out in the Clinton open letter. But I don't believe they orchestrated it. That's a whole different level. Now if you told me that did not act aggressively to stop an attack that they knew to be imminent (but probably not the scale of it), I could also believe that. But I don't believe they would have let what happened, happen had they known the consequences. It's pretty accepted that FDR knew an attack was coming in December but let it happen because he was ready to go to war, but Congress was not.my2hands said:
I dont disagree, but I do think there are more questions and reasons to question the events of 9/11 than the Sandy Hook goofballs attacking those poor families.mrussel1 said:I suppose anything is possible, but I lived near DC at the time and I saw the damage at the Pentagon. You couldn't really see it from 395, you had to get off at Pentagon City and loop around to get a look. It was bad. Plus, there were two people that lived on my street, who I knew well, that were in the Pentagon that day. One was a Lt. Colonel. Sure he could have been in on the whole thing, if you want to take it that far, but he described it to me in pretty graphic detail.
No offense, but the false flag here is as likely as Sandy Hook being a false flag as well.
PNAC
Operation Northwoods
WTC7
Lack of debris at crash sites
Clear phone calls from 30,000 feet
NORAD drills
Iraq Invasion
I see motive. I see past plans presented committing similar false flag attacks. I see ONAC suggesting such an attack was necessary. I see interesting questions surrounding the events that day. I dont know what happened, it was a horrific day no matter what happened, but I will likely always wonder.
But of course simple common sense should come into play as well, how many people would have to be in on it and how they hell would you keep everyone quiet. That's the #1 problem with a large conspiracy, how the hell would it not be out by now? So yeah,I'm not claiming it's an inside job, just think it's fine to continue to look at it and wonder
Yeah, I dont see 9/11 and Sandy Hook as anywhere near the same class. I think the SH folks are kooks, and should be strung up by their toenails if they harass those poor families in anyway.
And remember, as a result the administration in power had no problem blatantly lying to us, the un, and the world to justify an invasion and resulting slaughter of a few hundred thousand people. So they were willing to lie, knowing an invasion would result in countless deaths, to achieve their goal. What's the difference, you think American citizens would actually matter to monsters like that? "Smoking gun mushroom cloud" Did I mention most of those guys were a major part of PNAC and subscribers to the ideas it brought to the table?
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I should finish my thought... because of the FDR example, I can believe that we would let something like this happen.0
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There are many that that have happened throughout our history that don't come out until much later (if at all). This book is full of them and I highly recommend it. (The NY Times made an open invitation for any historian to come forward with proof of anything in this book as being false. To my knowledge, no one had been able to do that.)
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just when I see you speak of imaginary border lines you go and say this...and completely redeem yourself!my2hands said:
I've seen it, you could see a plane on that? I couldnt make anything out. That video is actually part of my problem, that's the best they've got? Washington DC, one of the more important and secure buildings in the world, and we dont have any video of this better than that?KC138045 said:
There is a video from a surveillance camera outside the Pentagon. I saw it on one the 9-11 documentaries I watched last night.my2hands said:I actually dont have a problem with it... challenging the status quo causes a conversation, which is a healthy thing in my opinion
Serious question: nobody has questions about the Pentagon and 9/11? No curiosity? No intrigue? No need to challenge the official narrative? No video? The damage site and lack of debris? 19 assholes with boxcutters supposedly turn the world upside down and nobody is supposed to question it?
No tin foil hat here, just wondering?0 -
I call it how I see it brotherunsung said:
just when I see you speak of imaginary border lines you go and say this...and completely redeem yourself!my2hands said:
I've seen it, you could see a plane on that? I couldnt make anything out. That video is actually part of my problem, that's the best they've got? Washington DC, one of the more important and secure buildings in the world, and we dont have any video of this better than that?KC138045 said:
There is a video from a surveillance camera outside the Pentagon. I saw it on one the 9-11 documentaries I watched last night.my2hands said:I actually dont have a problem with it... challenging the status quo causes a conversation, which is a healthy thing in my opinion
Serious question: nobody has questions about the Pentagon and 9/11? No curiosity? No intrigue? No need to challenge the official narrative? No video? The damage site and lack of debris? 19 assholes with boxcutters supposedly turn the world upside down and nobody is supposed to question it?
No tin foil hat here, just wondering?0 -
I'm going to pick this up!brianlux said:There are many that that have happened throughout our history that don't come out until much later (if at all). This book is full of them and I highly recommend it. (The NY Times made an open invitation for any historian to come forward with proof of anything in this book as being false. To my knowledge, no one had been able to do that.)
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Making it happen or letting it happen, what's the difference? I see both scenarios as evilmrussel1 said:I should finish my thought... because of the FDR example, I can believe that we would let something like this happen.
And if people are capable of letting it happen, I assume they're capable of making it happen. You have to be a monster either wayPost edited by my2hands on0 -
Any updates on Nike’s stock?Jason P said:Nike stock drops have cost them $3 billion loss this morning. I was low in my estimate.
Politics aside, doesn’t the whole ad agency at Nike that went forward with this campaign get shit canned immediately?0 -
Didn't online sales jump somethig like 30%?Cliffy6745 said:
Any updates on Nike’s stock?Jason P said:Nike stock drops have cost them $3 billion loss this morning. I was low in my estimate.
Politics aside, doesn’t the whole ad agency at Nike that went forward with this campaign get shit canned immediately?
I wasn't in this thread when JP gave his hot take, but I would have jumped on it if I had.
It's foolish to think that Nike didn't weigh this decision down to the gram. They ABSOLUTELY knew they were going to take an immediate hit and were prepared to accept that, any other thought is naïve.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Today, Nike stock closed at $83/share, an all time high for the company. https://t.co/9z8DX5jYILCliffy6745 said:
Any updates on Nike’s stock?Jason P said:Nike stock drops have cost them $3 billion loss this morning. I was low in my estimate.
Politics aside, doesn’t the whole ad agency at Nike that went forward with this campaign get shit canned immediately?
So glad I bought more of it last week
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I would have bought some if I was into that sort of thing, I was very confident this was a good decision.
It's all about demographics, MAGA types don't wear high-end Nike gear. They wear hoodies and socks and cheap athletic shorts. Jordans, Dri-FIT, Pegasus...those are the money brands, and it isn't surprising that the MAGA crowd isn't buying that stuff.
The hilarious thing is that a typical American MAGA idiot who thought this was a bad move never even considered international sales, which account for a majority of Nike's revenue
Not surprising the MAGA crowd forgot about sales abroad lolMonkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
They believe everyone thinks like them.. Americans and furners.rgambs said:I would have bought some if I was into that sort of thing, I was very confident this was a good decision.
It's all about demographics, MAGA types don't wear high-end Nike gear. They wear hoodies and socks and cheap athletic shorts. Jordans, Dri-FIT, Pegasus...those are the money brands, and it isn't surprising that the MAGA crowd isn't buying that stuff.
The hilarious thing is that a typical American MAGA idiot who thought this was a bad move never even considered international sales, which account for a majority of Nike's revenue
Not surprising the MAGA crowd forgot about sales abroad lol0 -
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Bonus, more likely. Plus, there's no way a campaign like this didn't go all the way up to the board before approval. It's not like Don Draper met with a mid level guy and made it happen.dignin said:0 -
Exactly. Most of the world is anti-Trump.rgambs said:I would have bought some if I was into that sort of thing, I was very confident this was a good decision.
It's all about demographics, MAGA types don't wear high-end Nike gear. They wear hoodies and socks and cheap athletic shorts. Jordans, Dri-FIT, Pegasus...those are the money brands, and it isn't surprising that the MAGA crowd isn't buying that stuff.
The hilarious thing is that a typical American MAGA idiot who thought this was a bad move never even considered international sales, which account for a majority of Nike's revenue
Not surprising the MAGA crowd forgot about sales abroad lol
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Most of the world is oppressed and would love to be able to openly express themselves without retribution.HesCalledDyer said:
Exactly. Most of the world is anti-Trump.rgambs said:I would have bought some if I was into that sort of thing, I was very confident this was a good decision.
It's all about demographics, MAGA types don't wear high-end Nike gear. They wear hoodies and socks and cheap athletic shorts. Jordans, Dri-FIT, Pegasus...those are the money brands, and it isn't surprising that the MAGA crowd isn't buying that stuff.
The hilarious thing is that a typical American MAGA idiot who thought this was a bad move never even considered international sales, which account for a majority of Nike's revenue
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my2hands said:
I'm going to pick this up!brianlux said:There are many that that have happened throughout our history that don't come out until much later (if at all). This book is full of them and I highly recommend it. (The NY Times made an open invitation for any historian to come forward with proof of anything in this book as being false. To my knowledge, no one had been able to do that.)Excellent!To me, reading it was a lot like reading the South Pacific/Asian version of Dee Brown's Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. The raw truth about parts of US history that have been conveniently ignored.Will look forward to hearing your thoughts on it."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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