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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Take away the cops guns, pepper spray etc and see how brave they really are...
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    It would be a human rights violation to send American police out to do their job without the weapons and tools they absolutely need to survive.
    Besides, it isn't the weaponry that makes shithead cops let their shit shine, it's the impunity.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Here's the story that lends evidence to the notion that police must be given the latitude to defend themselves when threatened:

    https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2018/07/15/weymouth-police-officer-michael-chesna-fatally-shot

    If the situation had a different outcome, meaning the suspect was shot dead after hurling rocks at the fallen officer, this forum would be alive with people crying 'back the blue' and all the other classics.
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  • tbergs
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    edited July 2018
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Here's the story that lends evidence to the notion that police must be given the latitude to defend themselves when threatened:

    https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2018/07/15/weymouth-police-officer-michael-chesna-fatally-shot

    If the situation had a different outcome, meaning the suspect was shot dead after hurling rocks at the fallen officer, this forum would be alive with people crying 'back the blue' and all the other classics.
    Damn. What a despicable piece of crap the killer is. Hit the officer in the head with a rock, took his gun once he was down and then shot him in the head and chest multiple times. Fuck. There's a 4 and 9 year old who probably can't even see their dad one last time because of that asshole. And then on top of that, some innocent old woman in her home takes a stray bullet and dies. What a terrible incident.

    As to what you mentioned TB, I think you are right. It's hard for a normal citizen to understand the complexities of situations like this and how one mistake could mean an officer is incapacitated and unable to stop someone from taking their own weapon and using it against them or someone else. In another reality, there is public outcry for an officer shooting a man holding a rock. I really believe that all of the criticizing and scrutiny can affect an officer in the heat of the moment to reconsider whether their is justification for using deadly force and in this case, that cost two people's lives.


    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,372
    edited September 2018
    Crickets.

    http://m.cnn.com/en/article/h_9e2ed612a2c457f274962c4a859ba87b
     
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/09/amber-guyger-police-officer-named-in-dallas-fatal-shooting-shot-suspect-in-2017-report.html
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Crickets.

    http://m.cnn.com/en/article/h_9e2ed612a2c457f274962c4a859ba87b
     
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/09/amber-guyger-police-officer-named-in-dallas-fatal-shooting-shot-suspect-in-2017-report.html

    Is this a 'policing' incident?

    She was off duty and entered the wrong apartment after her shift. She shot a guy thinking it was a home invasion. And now... she's rightfully being charged with manslaughter. This was not an on duty officer abusing her position of power. This was an idiot that is facing charges for her idiocy.

    I think that in Texas, there might be a few people from a number of professions who might have done the same thing after moronically forgetting which apartment was theirs.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Crickets.

    http://m.cnn.com/en/article/h_9e2ed612a2c457f274962c4a859ba87b
     
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/09/amber-guyger-police-officer-named-in-dallas-fatal-shooting-shot-suspect-in-2017-report.html

    Is this a 'policing' incident?

    She was off duty and entered the wrong apartment after her shift. She shot a guy thinking it was a home invasion. And now... she's rightfully being charged with manslaughter. This was not an on duty officer abusing her position of power. This was an idiot that is facing charges for her idiocy.

    I think that in Texas, there might be a few people from a number of professions who might have done the same thing after moronically forgetting which apartment was theirs.
    How does such a “moron” get hired to keep law and order over the rest of us, never mind be issued a firearm? Oh yea, right, it’s ‘Murica. Further, off duty police behavior can’t be pointed out nor criticized? If the victim had been white and the offending officer minority, there’d be pages of condemnation of the “white genocide,” I’m sure.
     
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Crickets.

    http://m.cnn.com/en/article/h_9e2ed612a2c457f274962c4a859ba87b
     
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/09/amber-guyger-police-officer-named-in-dallas-fatal-shooting-shot-suspect-in-2017-report.html

    Is this a 'policing' incident?

    She was off duty and entered the wrong apartment after her shift. She shot a guy thinking it was a home invasion. And now... she's rightfully being charged with manslaughter. This was not an on duty officer abusing her position of power. This was an idiot that is facing charges for her idiocy.

    I think that in Texas, there might be a few people from a number of professions who might have done the same thing after moronically forgetting which apartment was theirs.
    How does such a “moron” get hired to keep law and order over the rest of us, never mind be issued a firearm? Oh yea, right, it’s ‘Murica. Further, off duty police behavior can’t be pointed out nor criticized? If the victim had been white and the offending officer minority, there’d be pages of condemnation of the “white genocide,” I’m sure.
     
    You are asking that question?

    My gawd man... look who your country elected as its president. If it's slim pickings for your president... it's really really lean for selecting police officers.

    You can be as critical as you want, but if this is all the news related to police abuse... the cops have had a good month.
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  • mace1229
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Crickets.

    http://m.cnn.com/en/article/h_9e2ed612a2c457f274962c4a859ba87b
     
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/09/amber-guyger-police-officer-named-in-dallas-fatal-shooting-shot-suspect-in-2017-report.html

    Is this a 'policing' incident?

    She was off duty and entered the wrong apartment after her shift. She shot a guy thinking it was a home invasion. And now... she's rightfully being charged with manslaughter. This was not an on duty officer abusing her position of power. This was an idiot that is facing charges for her idiocy.

    I think that in Texas, there might be a few people from a number of professions who might have done the same thing after moronically forgetting which apartment was theirs.
    How does such a “moron” get hired to keep law and order over the rest of us, never mind be issued a firearm? Oh yea, right, it’s ‘Murica. Further, off duty police behavior can’t be pointed out nor criticized? If the victim had been white and the offending officer minority, there’d be pages of condemnation of the “white genocide,” I’m sure.
     
    You are asking that question?

    My gawd man... look who your country elected as its president. If it's slim pickings for your president... it's really really lean for selecting police officers.

    You can be as critical as you want, but if this is all the news related to police abuse... the cops have had a good month.
    I think the charges are justified.
    But I also think the personal attacks may not be. Have you never tried to open the wrong car door? Everyone has. Does that make you an idiot?
    It sounds stupid at first, I agree. But when you read the details she lived there about a month. It seems plausible that she got off on the wrong floor by mistake and went to where her apartment would be.
    I dont know what the apartment building looked like, but many are just like hotels. Once you get off the elevator it all looks the same.

    I think she should be charged, but I dont think that represents any sort of slim pickings based on 1 incident, that actually probably happens all the time (without a shooting). 
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    mace1229 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Crickets.

    http://m.cnn.com/en/article/h_9e2ed612a2c457f274962c4a859ba87b
     
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/09/amber-guyger-police-officer-named-in-dallas-fatal-shooting-shot-suspect-in-2017-report.html

    Is this a 'policing' incident?

    She was off duty and entered the wrong apartment after her shift. She shot a guy thinking it was a home invasion. And now... she's rightfully being charged with manslaughter. This was not an on duty officer abusing her position of power. This was an idiot that is facing charges for her idiocy.

    I think that in Texas, there might be a few people from a number of professions who might have done the same thing after moronically forgetting which apartment was theirs.
    How does such a “moron” get hired to keep law and order over the rest of us, never mind be issued a firearm? Oh yea, right, it’s ‘Murica. Further, off duty police behavior can’t be pointed out nor criticized? If the victim had been white and the offending officer minority, there’d be pages of condemnation of the “white genocide,” I’m sure.
     
    You are asking that question?

    My gawd man... look who your country elected as its president. If it's slim pickings for your president... it's really really lean for selecting police officers.

    You can be as critical as you want, but if this is all the news related to police abuse... the cops have had a good month.
    I think the charges are justified.
    But I also think the personal attacks may not be. Have you never tried to open the wrong car door? Everyone has. Does that make you an idiot?
    It sounds stupid at first, I agree. But when you read the details she lived there about a month. It seems plausible that she got off on the wrong floor by mistake and went to where her apartment would be.
    I dont know what the apartment building looked like, but many are just like hotels. Once you get off the elevator it all looks the same.

    I think she should be charged, but I dont think that represents any sort of slim pickings based on 1 incident, that actually probably happens all the time (without a shooting). 

    Walking in and saying, "Oops. Sorry" makes the person careless, but okay. Walking in and killing a man makes the person an idiot.
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  • mace1229
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    edited September 2018
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mace1229 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Crickets.

    http://m.cnn.com/en/article/h_9e2ed612a2c457f274962c4a859ba87b
     
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/09/amber-guyger-police-officer-named-in-dallas-fatal-shooting-shot-suspect-in-2017-report.html

    Is this a 'policing' incident?

    She was off duty and entered the wrong apartment after her shift. She shot a guy thinking it was a home invasion. And now... she's rightfully being charged with manslaughter. This was not an on duty officer abusing her position of power. This was an idiot that is facing charges for her idiocy.

    I think that in Texas, there might be a few people from a number of professions who might have done the same thing after moronically forgetting which apartment was theirs.
    How does such a “moron” get hired to keep law and order over the rest of us, never mind be issued a firearm? Oh yea, right, it’s ‘Murica. Further, off duty police behavior can’t be pointed out nor criticized? If the victim had been white and the offending officer minority, there’d be pages of condemnation of the “white genocide,” I’m sure.
     
    You are asking that question?

    My gawd man... look who your country elected as its president. If it's slim pickings for your president... it's really really lean for selecting police officers.

    You can be as critical as you want, but if this is all the news related to police abuse... the cops have had a good month.
    I think the charges are justified.
    But I also think the personal attacks may not be. Have you never tried to open the wrong car door? Everyone has. Does that make you an idiot?
    It sounds stupid at first, I agree. But when you read the details she lived there about a month. It seems plausible that she got off on the wrong floor by mistake and went to where her apartment would be.
    I dont know what the apartment building looked like, but many are just like hotels. Once you get off the elevator it all looks the same.

    I think she should be charged, but I dont think that represents any sort of slim pickings based on 1 incident, that actually probably happens all the time (without a shooting). 

    Walking in and saying, "Oops. Sorry" makes the person careless, but okay. Walking in and killing a man makes the person an idiot.
    Very good point. Big difference.
    I agree then, she's an idiot for that part of the story.
  • rgambs
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    This story is very fishy, top to bottom.
    Much of the information circulating is unverified, but reports are saying she was pounding on the door and screaming, and that he opened the door, which makes sense because people don't often leave apartments unlocked. 
    In more verified territory, she was also still in uniform, and she wasn't arrested immediately (which is, of course, a massive abuse of police discretion) and tested for inebriating substances.  She wasn't charged for three days.
    The prosecutor was presented with a witness and a video recording that did not include the shooting.  

    Shooting someone under these circumstances isn't just a mistake, it's a fucking Freudian slip.  You don't just open fire on an unknown person unless you've been itching to pull a trigger already.  That's my firm opinion whether it's some Alabama hillbilly or a Dallas police officer.
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    Edit* 
    Blood was drawn at the scene, results not yet released.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    rgambs said:
    This story is very fishy, top to bottom.
    Much of the information circulating is unverified, but reports are saying she was pounding on the door and screaming, and that he opened the door, which makes sense because people don't often leave apartments unlocked. 
    In more verified territory, she was also still in uniform, and she wasn't arrested immediately (which is, of course, a massive abuse of police discretion) and tested for inebriating substances.  She wasn't charged for three days.
    The prosecutor was presented with a witness and a video recording that did not include the shooting.  

    Shooting someone under these circumstances isn't just a mistake, it's a fucking Freudian slip.  You don't just open fire on an unknown person unless you've been itching to pull a trigger already.  That's my firm opinion whether it's some Alabama hillbilly or a Dallas police officer.
    Maybe RG...

    But you're making quite a leap to assert such so 'firmly'. I think she was more scared than 'itchy'.
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  • rgambs
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    rgambs said:
    This story is very fishy, top to bottom.
    Much of the information circulating is unverified, but reports are saying she was pounding on the door and screaming, and that he opened the door, which makes sense because people don't often leave apartments unlocked. 
    In more verified territory, she was also still in uniform, and she wasn't arrested immediately (which is, of course, a massive abuse of police discretion) and tested for inebriating substances.  She wasn't charged for three days.
    The prosecutor was presented with a witness and a video recording that did not include the shooting.  

    Shooting someone under these circumstances isn't just a mistake, it's a fucking Freudian slip.  You don't just open fire on an unknown person unless you've been itching to pull a trigger already.  That's my firm opinion whether it's some Alabama hillbilly or a Dallas police officer.
    Maybe RG...

    But you're making quite a leap to assert such so 'firmly'. I think she was more scared than 'itchy'.
    I think that's what she would love for everyone to believe, that's everyone's story when they murder someone on accident.  I don't buy it, ever.
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  • mace1229
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    rgambs said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    rgambs said:
    This story is very fishy, top to bottom.
    Much of the information circulating is unverified, but reports are saying she was pounding on the door and screaming, and that he opened the door, which makes sense because people don't often leave apartments unlocked. 
    In more verified territory, she was also still in uniform, and she wasn't arrested immediately (which is, of course, a massive abuse of police discretion) and tested for inebriating substances.  She wasn't charged for three days.
    The prosecutor was presented with a witness and a video recording that did not include the shooting.  

    Shooting someone under these circumstances isn't just a mistake, it's a fucking Freudian slip.  You don't just open fire on an unknown person unless you've been itching to pull a trigger already.  That's my firm opinion whether it's some Alabama hillbilly or a Dallas police officer.
    Maybe RG...

    But you're making quite a leap to assert such so 'firmly'. I think she was more scared than 'itchy'.
    I think that's what she would love for everyone to believe, that's everyone's story when they murder someone on accident.  I don't buy it, ever.
    If your version is true then I'd agree with you.
    I've heard several different stories from the little I read. That the door was unlocked, to it was already open, to he opened it while she was trying to unlock it. I think those circumstances could change how harsh the consequences should be, and definitely if she was banging on the door and yelling then that is one of the worst case scenarios for her.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mace1229 said:
    rgambs said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    rgambs said:
    This story is very fishy, top to bottom.
    Much of the information circulating is unverified, but reports are saying she was pounding on the door and screaming, and that he opened the door, which makes sense because people don't often leave apartments unlocked. 
    In more verified territory, she was also still in uniform, and she wasn't arrested immediately (which is, of course, a massive abuse of police discretion) and tested for inebriating substances.  She wasn't charged for three days.
    The prosecutor was presented with a witness and a video recording that did not include the shooting.  

    Shooting someone under these circumstances isn't just a mistake, it's a fucking Freudian slip.  You don't just open fire on an unknown person unless you've been itching to pull a trigger already.  That's my firm opinion whether it's some Alabama hillbilly or a Dallas police officer.
    Maybe RG...

    But you're making quite a leap to assert such so 'firmly'. I think she was more scared than 'itchy'.
    I think that's what she would love for everyone to believe, that's everyone's story when they murder someone on accident.  I don't buy it, ever.
    If your version is true then I'd agree with you.
    I've heard several different stories from the little I read. That the door was unlocked, to it was already open, to he opened it while she was trying to unlock it. I think those circumstances could change how harsh the consequences should be, and definitely if she was banging on the door and yelling then that is one of the worst case scenarios for her.
    I don't see any scenarios where she had a legitimate reason to be scared enough to shoot someone.  If you are that threatened, then it's self defense.  If you aren't being legitimately threatened, why the fuck you shooting?  Because you have an itchy trigger finger and a disgusting "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality.    

    Has anyone read any accounts of how many shots fired?
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  • mace1229
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    edited September 2018
    rgambs said:
    mace1229 said:
    rgambs said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    rgambs said:
    This story is very fishy, top to bottom.
    Much of the information circulating is unverified, but reports are saying she was pounding on the door and screaming, and that he opened the door, which makes sense because people don't often leave apartments unlocked. 
    In more verified territory, she was also still in uniform, and she wasn't arrested immediately (which is, of course, a massive abuse of police discretion) and tested for inebriating substances.  She wasn't charged for three days.
    The prosecutor was presented with a witness and a video recording that did not include the shooting.  

    Shooting someone under these circumstances isn't just a mistake, it's a fucking Freudian slip.  You don't just open fire on an unknown person unless you've been itching to pull a trigger already.  That's my firm opinion whether it's some Alabama hillbilly or a Dallas police officer.
    Maybe RG...

    But you're making quite a leap to assert such so 'firmly'. I think she was more scared than 'itchy'.
    I think that's what she would love for everyone to believe, that's everyone's story when they murder someone on accident.  I don't buy it, ever.
    If your version is true then I'd agree with you.
    I've heard several different stories from the little I read. That the door was unlocked, to it was already open, to he opened it while she was trying to unlock it. I think those circumstances could change how harsh the consequences should be, and definitely if she was banging on the door and yelling then that is one of the worst case scenarios for her.
    I don't see any scenarios where she had a legitimate reason to be scared enough to shoot someone.  If you are that threatened, then it's self defense.  If you aren't being legitimately threatened, why the fuck you shooting?  Because you have an itchy trigger finger and a disgusting "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality.    

    Has anyone read any accounts of how many shots fired?
    I agree. I think the difference for me though would be how serious the charges, like negligent manslaughter to murder though depending on the scenario. Banging on the door yelling demonstrates one state of mind that other scenarios might not.
    Post edited by mace1229 on
  • rgambs
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    Yeah, very curious to see this one play out, it will be interesting to have the full story.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,372
    rgambs said:
    Yeah, very curious to see this one play out, it will be interesting to have the full story.
    Odds are, it’ll play out like these. Nothing’s changed.

    Rodney King

    Amadou Diallo

    Trayvon Martin

    Walter Scott

    Phillip White

    Eric Garner

    Sean Bell

    Freddy Gray

    Aiyana Jones

    Sandra Bland

    Tamir Rice

    Kimani Gray

    John Crawford

    Michael Brown

    Miriam Carey

    Emmet Till

    Tommy Yancy

    Jordan Baker

    Botham Jean

     

    https://eji.org/national-lynching-memorial


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