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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/07/05/gang-rhino-poachers-mauled-to-death-by-pride-lions-after-breaking-into-game-reserve.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+foxnews/world+(Internal+-+World+Latest+-+Text)

    'Gang' of rhino poachers mauled to death by pride of lions after breaking into game reserve

    At least three suspected rhino poachers have been killed by a pride of lions after they broke into a game reserve in South Africa.

    Rangers discovered human remains around 4:30 p.m. local time on July 3 in the immediate vicinity of the lions’ territory at the Sibuya Game Reserve in Kenton-on-Sea in the Eastern Cape, more than 24 hours after an anti-poaching dog alerted her handler that something was amiss.

    The ranger however did not examine the disturbance further because it was not unusual to hear the lions at night.

    When members of the anti-poaching unit investigated, they recovered human remains, a high-powered rifle with a silencer, wire cutters, an axe and three pairs of shoes.

    Nick Fox, the park’s owner, said the lions were shot with tranquilizer darts at first light so police forensic teams and the anti-poaching unit could comb the area for clues, and admitted it was not clear how many poachers may have been killed.

    “The only body part we found was one skull and one bit of pelvis, everything else was completely gone,” he told Newsweek. “There is so little left that they don’t know exactly how many people were killed, we suspect three because we found three sets of shoes and three sets of gloves.”

    He added: “They came heavily armed with hunting rifles and axes which we have recovered and enough food to last them for several days so we suspect they were after all of our rhinos here. But the lions are our watchers and guardians and they picked the wrong pride and became a meal.”

    Police spokeswoman Captain Mali Govender said: “We do not know identities but firearms have been taken by the police and will be sent to the ballistics laboratory to see if they have been used in poaching before.”

    In 2016, the reserve saw three of its rhinos shot dead by poachers who broke into the reserve to cut off their horns. All books with the reserve include an option Rhino Levy where the proceeds are donated to a fund fighting poaching.


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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mcgruff10 said:
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/07/05/gang-rhino-poachers-mauled-to-death-by-pride-lions-after-breaking-into-game-reserve.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+foxnews/world+(Internal+-+World+Latest+-+Text)

    'Gang' of rhino poachers mauled to death by pride of lions after breaking into game reserve

    At least three suspected rhino poachers have been killed by a pride of lions after they broke into a game reserve in South Africa.

    Rangers discovered human remains around 4:30 p.m. local time on July 3 in the immediate vicinity of the lions’ territory at the Sibuya Game Reserve in Kenton-on-Sea in the Eastern Cape, more than 24 hours after an anti-poaching dog alerted her handler that something was amiss.

    The ranger however did not examine the disturbance further because it was not unusual to hear the lions at night.

    When members of the anti-poaching unit investigated, they recovered human remains, a high-powered rifle with a silencer, wire cutters, an axe and three pairs of shoes.

    Nick Fox, the park’s owner, said the lions were shot with tranquilizer darts at first light so police forensic teams and the anti-poaching unit could comb the area for clues, and admitted it was not clear how many poachers may have been killed.

    “The only body part we found was one skull and one bit of pelvis, everything else was completely gone,” he told Newsweek. “There is so little left that they don’t know exactly how many people were killed, we suspect three because we found three sets of shoes and three sets of gloves.”

    He added: “They came heavily armed with hunting rifles and axes which we have recovered and enough food to last them for several days so we suspect they were after all of our rhinos here. But the lions are our watchers and guardians and they picked the wrong pride and became a meal.”

    Police spokeswoman Captain Mali Govender said: “We do not know identities but firearms have been taken by the police and will be sent to the ballistics laboratory to see if they have been used in poaching before.”

    In 2016, the reserve saw three of its rhinos shot dead by poachers who broke into the reserve to cut off their horns. All books with the reserve include an option Rhino Levy where the proceeds are donated to a fund fighting poaching.


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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/07/05/gang-rhino-poachers-mauled-to-death-by-pride-lions-after-breaking-into-game-reserve.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+foxnews/world+(Internal+-+World+Latest+-+Text)

    'Gang' of rhino poachers mauled to death by pride of lions after breaking into game reserve

    At least three suspected rhino poachers have been killed by a pride of lions after they broke into a game reserve in South Africa.

    Rangers discovered human remains around 4:30 p.m. local time on July 3 in the immediate vicinity of the lions’ territory at the Sibuya Game Reserve in Kenton-on-Sea in the Eastern Cape, more than 24 hours after an anti-poaching dog alerted her handler that something was amiss.

    The ranger however did not examine the disturbance further because it was not unusual to hear the lions at night.

    When members of the anti-poaching unit investigated, they recovered human remains, a high-powered rifle with a silencer, wire cutters, an axe and three pairs of shoes.

    Nick Fox, the park’s owner, said the lions were shot with tranquilizer darts at first light so police forensic teams and the anti-poaching unit could comb the area for clues, and admitted it was not clear how many poachers may have been killed.

    “The only body part we found was one skull and one bit of pelvis, everything else was completely gone,” he told Newsweek. “There is so little left that they don’t know exactly how many people were killed, we suspect three because we found three sets of shoes and three sets of gloves.”

    He added: “They came heavily armed with hunting rifles and axes which we have recovered and enough food to last them for several days so we suspect they were after all of our rhinos here. But the lions are our watchers and guardians and they picked the wrong pride and became a meal.”

    Police spokeswoman Captain Mali Govender said: “We do not know identities but firearms have been taken by the police and will be sent to the ballistics laboratory to see if they have been used in poaching before.”

    In 2016, the reserve saw three of its rhinos shot dead by poachers who broke into the reserve to cut off their horns. All books with the reserve include an option Rhino Levy where the proceeds are donated to a fund fighting poaching.


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    I fucking hate poachers. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    PJinIL said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJinIL said:
    Sometimes I think humans should have open season to thin the herd, keep the species stronger and smarter. 

    Not a hunter, but I understand there is a time and place for selective hunting. This giraffe hunt seems to fit that scenario...old bull had killed a couple younger bulls and couldn't breed anymore. The meat went to feed locals, and she paid a pretty penny for the hunt. As with anything, lots of people being pulled in polar extremes without really looking into the story. Disagree with the act of hunting, that's totally legit, but it's not some shady hunter on the loose or poaching.
    I don't know if any of that matters.
    Why is this woman in a photo with the giraffe she just murdered? Because she gets joy and pride out of killing. That is what's offensive. She is clearly killing for FUN. She can make all the excuses she wants to after the fact, and babble about meat and non-breeding age and everything all she wants. All we need to do is look at that photo and read her description of the hunt to know those are all just excuses being used to pad the core truth - that she is killing for entertainment and a sense of power.
    I agree she may not have had the purest of intentions and it's of questionable taste to post pics of the kill with such pride. However, apples to apples, (let's not inject endangered status here) she's doing nothing different than the average deer hunter in the US - above board, legal, and thinks it's kinda cool to be able to shoot a gun (or bow, whatever) and kill an animal.   

    There are two separate issues here:
    Disgust for her behavior, regardless of legality. If she wanted to take a thoughtful image of herself with the giraffe, fine, just be tasteful. She was not, in my opinion, and am not a fan of the pointing to god/sky pose. I'm ok with the simple kneeling pose for some reason.

    Disgust for exotic hunting. There are proven methods for conservation of endangered animals. So, we have to decide if the lives of some animals are worth keeping the species alive, or are these lives all sacredly precious even if the hands-off approach ultimately hurts it?

    Lux: I am with you on providing wildlife more habitat to let nature take its course. Humans are the problem, and in thinning the herd, I meant thinning the HUMAN herd :) We're usually the problem.

    If she'd gone on vacation, brought her gun, and just went out and shot this giraffe, this is a very different conversation, and she should be hung out by society to dry and used a poster child for wildlife conservation reform. This was not the case, so for the angry, go grind your ax at the programs, not the individuals.
    Yeah, I'm against all hunting unless the hunter truly needs to do it for food, so saying it's nothing different than deer hunting doesn't help the argument for me in the context of this story. Even if someone does kill a deer out of necessity, and then takes photos like that with the carcass afterwards, I think it's absolutely disgusting. Killing anything just for fun or sport, and to basically dishonour the animal that was just murdered, makes me sick. I don't see how pointing to the sky or kneeling or whatever else make any difference. In all cases the person is clearly proud and/or gleeful about killing something, and they want to show off their "great human feat" of pointing a machine at something and pulling the trigger, and that is not okay for me. It's gross.
    But it's not the same anyhow. The fact that it's an endangered species does in fact make a big difference. And no, I'm really not buying her excuses about conservation. That had nothing to do with her real motives in any case, so even if her excuses are really true, it's irrelevant. But I also disagree that that is the best conservation method, and yes, I do know a fair bit about the subject. That is a controversial debate among conservation experts.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    PJinIL said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJinIL said:
    Sometimes I think humans should have open season to thin the herd, keep the species stronger and smarter. 

    Not a hunter, but I understand there is a time and place for selective hunting. This giraffe hunt seems to fit that scenario...old bull had killed a couple younger bulls and couldn't breed anymore. The meat went to feed locals, and she paid a pretty penny for the hunt. As with anything, lots of people being pulled in polar extremes without really looking into the story. Disagree with the act of hunting, that's totally legit, but it's not some shady hunter on the loose or poaching.
    I don't know if any of that matters.
    Why is this woman in a photo with the giraffe she just murdered? Because she gets joy and pride out of killing. That is what's offensive. She is clearly killing for FUN. She can make all the excuses she wants to after the fact, and babble about meat and non-breeding age and everything all she wants. All we need to do is look at that photo and read her description of the hunt to know those are all just excuses being used to pad the core truth - that she is killing for entertainment and a sense of power.
    I agree she may not have had the purest of intentions and it's of questionable taste to post pics of the kill with such pride. However, apples to apples, (let's not inject endangered status here) she's doing nothing different than the average deer hunter in the US - above board, legal, and thinks it's kinda cool to be able to shoot a gun (or bow, whatever) and kill an animal.   

    There are two separate issues here:
    Disgust for her behavior, regardless of legality. If she wanted to take a thoughtful image of herself with the giraffe, fine, just be tasteful. She was not, in my opinion, and am not a fan of the pointing to god/sky pose. I'm ok with the simple kneeling pose for some reason.

    Disgust for exotic hunting. There are proven methods for conservation of endangered animals. So, we have to decide if the lives of some animals are worth keeping the species alive, or are these lives all sacredly precious even if the hands-off approach ultimately hurts it?

    Lux: I am with you on providing wildlife more habitat to let nature take its course. Humans are the problem, and in thinning the herd, I meant thinning the HUMAN herd :) We're usually the problem.

    If she'd gone on vacation, brought her gun, and just went out and shot this giraffe, this is a very different conversation, and she should be hung out by society to dry and used a poster child for wildlife conservation reform. This was not the case, so for the angry, go grind your ax at the programs, not the individuals.
    Let's not compare a deer hunter hunting a deer for venison to a giraffe hunter hunting a giraffe for a macabre selfie.

    People who go to Africa to kill for thrill are f**kwads. 
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Sadly all hunting is government sanctioned ... trophy hunters are despicable human beings.  Subsistence hunters are fine...
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    edited July 2018
    Meltdown99 said:
    Sadly all hunting is government sanctioned ... trophy hunters are despicable human beings.  Subsistence hunters are fine...
    Not all hunting. Tons of illegal hunting goes on all over the place. But yeah, all trophy hunters are rotten to the core as far as I'm concerned.
    I agree that subsistence hunters can be fine, but it still depends on their methods, and I think that it's just as sick for them glorify their act of killing and to desecrate the animal by taking happy photos with their corpses. Subsistence hunters who actually do it humanely and respectfully are okay for me.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Sadly all hunting is government sanctioned ... trophy hunters are despicable human beings.  Subsistence hunters are fine...
    Not all hunting. Tons of illegal hunting goes on all over the place. But yeah, all trophy hunters are rotten to the core as far as I'm concerned.
    I agree that subsistence hunters can be fine, but it still depends on their methods, and I think that it's just as sick for them glorify their act of killing and to desecrate the animal by taking happy photos with their corpses. Subsistence hunters who actually do it humanely and respectfully are okay for me.
    Subsistence hunters that hunt ethically and respect the animal and use every part of the animal for their subsistence lifestyle is ok with me.  I absolutely admire people who live the subsistence lifestyle.  They are far smarter than the rest of society.  They can easily survive on their own.  The whole problem anymore is people are becoming to dependent on help  from the government and the government is to dependent on taxpayers....
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited July 2018
    We have grown very detached from our food. I have respect for hunters that kill what they eat. I've said it before... it's a hell of a lot better than the Costco shopper buying factory farmed meats in boxes.

    * On a side note... apparently the lions that ate  the poachers urinated on their rifles. THAT... is awesome.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    We have grown very detached from our food. I have respect for hunters that kill what they eat. I've said it before... it's a hell of a lot better than the Costco shopper buying factory farmed meats in boxes.

    * On a side note... apparently the lions that ate  the poachers urinated on their rifles. THAT... is awesome.
    I agree with about the  government meat at the stores...
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Big game trophy hunter (junior) looking like a pure athlete:



    Man would he be tuff. The way he kills exotic animals. Mutiltes them. And just his very impressive physique.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    edited August 2018
    Meltdown99 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Sadly all hunting is government sanctioned ... trophy hunters are despicable human beings.  Subsistence hunters are fine...
    Not all hunting. Tons of illegal hunting goes on all over the place. But yeah, all trophy hunters are rotten to the core as far as I'm concerned.
    I agree that subsistence hunters can be fine, but it still depends on their methods, and I think that it's just as sick for them glorify their act of killing and to desecrate the animal by taking happy photos with their corpses. Subsistence hunters who actually do it humanely and respectfully are okay for me.
    Subsistence hunters that hunt ethically and respect the animal and use every part of the animal for their subsistence lifestyle is ok with me.  I absolutely admire people who live the subsistence lifestyle.  They are far smarter than the rest of society.  They can easily survive on their own.  The whole problem anymore is people are becoming to dependent on help  from the government and the government is to dependent on taxpayers....
    Is it still none of our business where you live, with you always in the AMT? I would love to know, because where someone lives actually has an impact when it comes to political conversations. The reason I ask right now is because I'm wondering where you are located to be surrounded by so many subsistence hunters who also live a completely subsistence lifestyle, off the grid, apparently, if they aren't relying on government, who you know well enough to make such statements. You must live out in the middle of nowhere.

    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Sadly all hunting is government sanctioned ... trophy hunters are despicable human beings.  Subsistence hunters are fine...
    Not all hunting. Tons of illegal hunting goes on all over the place. But yeah, all trophy hunters are rotten to the core as far as I'm concerned.
    I agree that subsistence hunters can be fine, but it still depends on their methods, and I think that it's just as sick for them glorify their act of killing and to desecrate the animal by taking happy photos with their corpses. Subsistence hunters who actually do it humanely and respectfully are okay for me.
    Subsistence hunters that hunt ethically and respect the animal and use every part of the animal for their subsistence lifestyle is ok with me.  I absolutely admire people who live the subsistence lifestyle.  They are far smarter than the rest of society.  They can easily survive on their own.  The whole problem anymore is people are becoming to dependent on help  from the government and the government is to dependent on taxpayers....
    Is it still none of our business where you live, with you always in the AMT? I would love to know, because where someone lives actually has an impact when it comes to political conversations. The reason I ask right now is because I'm wondering where you are located to be surrounded by so many subsistence hunters who also live a completely subsistence lifestyle, off the grid, apparently, if they aren't relying on government, who you know well enough to make such statements. You must live out in the middle of nowhere.

    Please post my quote where I said I was surrounded by people who are subsistence hunters who completely I've off the grid?  Or is this what more millennials do make up bullshit.  I have worked with hunters who do not buy their meat at the grocery store.  Is that a hard concept for you to understand?  Please, help me understand what part of people who hunt are doing to fill their freezer?  Most people I know who hunt can not afford to get in the trophy hunting game...and taxidermist are not cheap...

    By the way I live in Southwestern, Ontario ... In 5 minutes I can be in farm country.  Just because Vancouver and area apparently has no where hunt doesn't mean there are not plenty of places to enjoy their lifestyle.  Canada's is much more rural than apparently you can grasp.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Canada allows trophy hunting as well ...

    There are guidelines and rules to follow after harvesting the animal, but you are free to take it to taxidermist and have them mount the animal.  
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Meltdown99 said:
    Canada allows trophy hunting as well ...

    There are guidelines and rules to follow after harvesting the animal, but you are free to take it to taxidermist and have them mount the animal.  
    Yah they do. And it's a morbid practice in my opinion.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    edited August 2018
    Meltdown99 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Sadly all hunting is government sanctioned ... trophy hunters are despicable human beings.  Subsistence hunters are fine...
    Not all hunting. Tons of illegal hunting goes on all over the place. But yeah, all trophy hunters are rotten to the core as far as I'm concerned.
    I agree that subsistence hunters can be fine, but it still depends on their methods, and I think that it's just as sick for them glorify their act of killing and to desecrate the animal by taking happy photos with their corpses. Subsistence hunters who actually do it humanely and respectfully are okay for me.
    Subsistence hunters that hunt ethically and respect the animal and use every part of the animal for their subsistence lifestyle is ok with me.  I absolutely admire people who live the subsistence lifestyle.  They are far smarter than the rest of society.  They can easily survive on their own.  The whole problem anymore is people are becoming to dependent on help  from the government and the government is to dependent on taxpayers....
    Is it still none of our business where you live, with you always in the AMT? I would love to know, because where someone lives actually has an impact when it comes to political conversations. The reason I ask right now is because I'm wondering where you are located to be surrounded by so many subsistence hunters who also live a completely subsistence lifestyle, off the grid, apparently, if they aren't relying on government, who you know well enough to make such statements. You must live out in the middle of nowhere.

    Please post my quote where I said I was surrounded by people who are subsistence hunters who completely I've off the grid?  Or is this what more millennials do make up bullshit.  I have worked with hunters who do not buy their meat at the grocery store.  Is that a hard concept for you to understand?  Please, help me understand what part of people who hunt are doing to fill their freezer?  Most people I know who hunt can not afford to get in the trophy hunting game...and taxidermist are not cheap...

    By the way I live in Southwestern, Ontario ... In 5 minutes I can be in farm country.  Just because Vancouver and area apparently has no where hunt doesn't mean there are not plenty of places to enjoy their lifestyle.  Canada's is much more rural than apparently you can grasp.
    You didn't say it, but if you can say that they are far smarter than the rest of us, I just assumed you must know them.... I guess not.

    There are places to hunt near Vancouver, and there are hunters who live here, and we're very close to rural areas. I don't know why you said that. I have spent loads of time in rural areas. I also don't know why you said that... Nothing I've said indicates that I'm unfamiliar with rural life. :confused: Have you never been to the Vancouver area? The region isn't what you seem to think it is.
    Hell, one time I went down into my underground parking lot and found the Russian neighbors skinning a deer they had just shot hung from a pipe on the ceiling. :lol: It was fucking weird, but that shows how close we are to areas where you can hunt.
    But anyway, what's that got to do with people with subsistence lifestyles? There aren't very many people like that at all, and those who are like that live a lot farther than 5 minutes out of town.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    edited August 2018
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Big game trophy hunter (junior) looking like a pure athlete:



    Man would he be tuff. The way he kills exotic animals. Mutiltes them. And just his very impressive physique.
    The dudes on the far left and far right look like they have broom handles stuck up their butts.  Just sayin'!
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Big game trophy hunter (junior) looking like a pure athlete:



    Man would he be tuff. The way he kills exotic animals. Mutiltes them. And just his very impressive physique.
    "We suck at standing" :rofl:
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Big game trophy hunter (junior) looking like a pure athlete:



    Man would he be tuff. The way he kills exotic animals. Mutiltes them. And just his very impressive physique.
    Don Jr:  Ok, thrust hips and gut forward, droop 'shoulders' down and back as much as possible and display my pecs (moobs).

    Don Sr:  Ok, Ass back, thrust chest forwad, try to lean forward as much as possible making my fat gut appear smaller.

    Eric:  Strike a pose

    Ivanka:  Was I adopted?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Smellyman said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Big game trophy hunter (junior) looking like a pure athlete:



    Man would he be tuff. The way he kills exotic animals. Mutiltes them. And just his very impressive physique.
    Don Jr:  Ok, thrust hips and gut forward, droop 'shoulders' down and back as much as possible and display my pecs (moobs).

    Don Sr:  Ok, Ass back, thrust chest forwad, try to lean forward as much as possible making my fat gut appear smaller.

    Eric:  Strike a pose

    Ivanka:  Was I adopted?
    Lol

    It kind of looks like the camera caught Donald ripping one.

    What a bunch of dorks.
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