Best American Rock Band Ever
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The John Mellencamp Band????Wobbie said:john. fucking. mellencamp.
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hugepjfan said:
Creating some arbitrary criterias just to be able to check off Pearl Jam I see.I'd like to entertain arguments for other American bands that surpass PJ. I don't think anything comes close but I'm biased. What are the best American bands of all time? As far as pj is concerned: Front man, distinctive voice, check. Sales, check. Mind melting solos, check. Lyrics, check. Live, performances, check. Longevity, check. Activism/charity, check.
Where are the piano ballads? Not check.
Experimentation? Not really a check
Creating a foundation for children with handicaps? Not a check
Great beards? Not a check
Cool female vocals? Not a check
Playing Sweden every European tour? Not a check
To me it seems they lose out.
(I think they are the best american band, or at least should be taken into consideration)
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How about phish? TheRe a band with a massive following of extremely loyal fans.
21 pilots seriously lolPost edited by jefft on0 -
What criteria puts PJ in teir 1 above any of those teir 2 bands?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:People...
The thread is 'best band'. This requires a bit of objectivity. The Black Crowes and some of these other bands being mentioned are not solid contenders at all.
When you're talking 'best' bands... you're talking 'best' bands (not 'personal favourite' bands).
That being said:
Pearl Jam
Bruce Springsteen
The Doors
Metallica
RHCP
The Eagles... all spring to mind. Extensive catalogues. Talent.
Van Halen
GnR
Aerosmith
Jimi Hendrix
CCR... bands like these in the next tier.
Nirvana never had a chance to see what they could become. They may have fizzled. Who knows?
What criteria immediately dismisses a band like the Crowes?
Nirvana should be in in the discussion on influence alone.
I brought up longevity. I just don’t think it’s that as important as body of work during active years and it’s effect on later generations. How many of these people dissing Aerosmith would include them if not for the 2nd career material?0 -
Was Nirvana influential? They were really good and insanely popular, but I don't recall there being many bands that were influenced by them. I always hear people say Nirvana was influential, but all those post grunge bands sounded like they got their sound more from Pearl Jam than Nirvana.DewieCox said:
Nirvana should be in in the discussion on influence alone.
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Lmao. Point well taken. Although LBC and Crazy Mary are almost piano ballads.. BOOOOOOOM!Spiritual_Chaos said:hugepjfan said:
Creating some arbitrary criterias just to be able to check off Pearl Jam I see.I'd like to entertain arguments for other American bands that surpass PJ. I don't think anything comes close but I'm biased. What are the best American bands of all time? As far as pj is concerned: Front man, distinctive voice, check. Sales, check. Mind melting solos, check. Lyrics, check. Live, performances, check. Longevity, check. Activism/charity, check.
Where are the piano ballads? Not check.
Experimentation? Not really a check
Creating a foundation for children with handicaps? Not a check
Great beards? Not a check
Cool female vocals? Not a check
Playing Sweden every European tour? Not a check
To me it seems they lose out.
(I think they are the best american band, or at least should be taken into consideration)
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Skimming through the thread it feels like we are a page away from someone trying to argue Greta Van Fleet.Personally, I think no band that formed after 90's really belongs in this conversation yet. They just haven't been doing it long enough. Maybe someday, but not today.___________________________________________
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Zod said:
Was Nirvana influential? They were really good and insanely popular, but I don't recall there being many bands that were influenced by them. I always hear people say Nirvana was influential, but all those post grunge bands sounded like they got their sound more from Pearl Jam than Nirvana.DewieCox said:
Nirvana should be in in the discussion on influence alone.
You’re kidding right? There are tons of direct rip offs, singers that do the Kurt thing, and Nirvanas success opened up a ton of doors for alternative music and the effect is still felt today.
Outside of a few attempted EV knockoffs I can’t think of a single band that sounds like they’re influenced by PJ. Green River and MLB are more influential imo.
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Creed wasn't influenced by PJ???DewieCox said:Zod said:
Was Nirvana influential? They were really good and insanely popular, but I don't recall there being many bands that were influenced by them. I always hear people say Nirvana was influential, but all those post grunge bands sounded like they got their sound more from Pearl Jam than Nirvana.DewieCox said:
Nirvana should be in in the discussion on influence alone.
You’re kidding right? There are tons of direct rip offs, singers that do the Kurt thing, and Nirvanas success opened up a ton of doors for alternative music and the effect is still felt today.
Outside of a few attempted EV knockoffs I can’t think of a single band that sounds like they’re influenced by PJ. Green River and MLB are more influential imo.0 -
The basic formula I have generated to comprise my list is as follows:DewieCox said:
What criteria puts PJ in teir 1 above any of those teir 2 bands?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:People...
The thread is 'best band'. This requires a bit of objectivity. The Black Crowes and some of these other bands being mentioned are not solid contenders at all.
When you're talking 'best' bands... you're talking 'best' bands (not 'personal favourite' bands).
That being said:
Pearl Jam
Bruce Springsteen
The Doors
Metallica
RHCP
The Eagles... all spring to mind. Extensive catalogues. Talent.
Van Halen
GnR
Aerosmith
Jimi Hendrix
CCR... bands like these in the next tier.
Nirvana never had a chance to see what they could become. They may have fizzled. Who knows?
What criteria immediately dismisses a band like the Crowes?
Nirvana should be in in the discussion on influence alone.
I brought up longevity. I just don’t think it’s that as important as body of work during active years and it’s effect on later generations. How many of these people dissing Aerosmith would include them if not for the 2nd career material?
Popularity X Album Sales X Length of Service = Greatness
* We have limited the field to the 'rock band' genre so guys like Michael Jackson don't factor in this discussion.
* A band can qualify for greatness without a long career if (say) their album sales are significant.
* Popularity is defined as concert attendance, merchandise sales, etc.
Lastly... I haven't given this a ton of thought. I'm just kibda going off the top of my head. The 'greatest bands' I suggested are not my group of personal favourites (although I do like them all to varying degrees)."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
I’m sure there was some sort of influence there considering how big PJ was, but I don’t really hear it in their music that I’ve heard.YourDirtisMyfood said:
Creed wasn't influenced by PJ???DewieCox said:Zod said:
Was Nirvana influential? They were really good and insanely popular, but I don't recall there being many bands that were influenced by them. I always hear people say Nirvana was influential, but all those post grunge bands sounded like they got their sound more from Pearl Jam than Nirvana.DewieCox said:
Nirvana should be in in the discussion on influence alone.
You’re kidding right? There are tons of direct rip offs, singers that do the Kurt thing, and Nirvanas success opened up a ton of doors for alternative music and the effect is still felt today.
Outside of a few attempted EV knockoffs I can’t think of a single band that sounds like they’re influenced by PJ. Green River and MLB are more influential imo.0 -
Well....Jimmy Buffett would meet that criteria as well.jefft said:How about phish? TheRe a band with a massive following of extremely loyal fans.
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Should the a minimum criteria be "in the RnR Hall of Fame" vs not? That might help weed out some of these nominations - although the Hall members made asses of themselves by not putting Radiohead (English band so no need to go on about them) in last year.
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Pearl Jam was not pop music in the 90s. They have always been alternative rock. I know the term pop music originates from "popular music", but that's not literal. Pop music is a genre, not a state of being.hugepjfan said:I love someone mentioned that longevity may not be part of the criteria I'm the OP and I think I may agree. If you can write a true masterpiece that's legendary in and of itself. Like, say, Ten and Nevermind. Maybe sometimes it only takes one, just saying. Oh, I tried my best to catch up on the candidates and read the thread but I do not believe I saw DMB. Terrible oversight by all of us unless I just missed it One more thing thing, PJ was pop in the 90s so don't discount today's pop newcomers. You might just be old to discount 21 pilots, imagine dragons and muse, just to name a few.
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i think one or two things missing is having Iconic Albums and/or songs. Yea Foo Fighters are great and popular but they don't really have an iconic album or song. Ten and VS. are iconic. Jeremy, Alive, Even Flow, Black and Better Man are iconic. I think that separates good to great bands from historic bands.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
The basic formula I have generated to comprise my list is as follows:DewieCox said:
What criteria puts PJ in teir 1 above any of those teir 2 bands?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:People...
The thread is 'best band'. This requires a bit of objectivity. The Black Crowes and some of these other bands being mentioned are not solid contenders at all.
When you're talking 'best' bands... you're talking 'best' bands (not 'personal favourite' bands).
That being said:
Pearl Jam
Bruce Springsteen
The Doors
Metallica
RHCP
The Eagles... all spring to mind. Extensive catalogues. Talent.
Van Halen
GnR
Aerosmith
Jimi Hendrix
CCR... bands like these in the next tier.
Nirvana never had a chance to see what they could become. They may have fizzled. Who knows?
What criteria immediately dismisses a band like the Crowes?
Nirvana should be in in the discussion on influence alone.
I brought up longevity. I just don’t think it’s that as important as body of work during active years and it’s effect on later generations. How many of these people dissing Aerosmith would include them if not for the 2nd career material?
Popularity X Album Sales X Length of Service = Greatness
* We have limited the field to the 'rock band' genre so guys like Michael Jackson don't factor in this discussion.
* A band can qualify for greatness without a long career if (say) their album sales are significant.
* Popularity is defined as concert attendance, merchandise sales, etc.
Lastly... I haven't given this a ton of thought. I'm just kibda going off the top of my head. The 'greatest bands' I suggested are not my group of personal favourites (although I do like them all to varying degrees).
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Just to start, PJ >>> FF.pjhawks said:
i think one or two things missing is having Iconic Albums and/or songs. Yea Foo Fighters are great and popular but they don't really have an iconic album or song. Ten and VS. are iconic. Jeremy, Alive, Even Flow, Black and Better Man are iconic. I think that separates good to great bands from historic bands.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
The basic formula I have generated to comprise my list is as follows:DewieCox said:
What criteria puts PJ in teir 1 above any of those teir 2 bands?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:People...
The thread is 'best band'. This requires a bit of objectivity. The Black Crowes and some of these other bands being mentioned are not solid contenders at all.
When you're talking 'best' bands... you're talking 'best' bands (not 'personal favourite' bands).
That being said:
Pearl Jam
Bruce Springsteen
The Doors
Metallica
RHCP
The Eagles... all spring to mind. Extensive catalogues. Talent.
Van Halen
GnR
Aerosmith
Jimi Hendrix
CCR... bands like these in the next tier.
Nirvana never had a chance to see what they could become. They may have fizzled. Who knows?
What criteria immediately dismisses a band like the Crowes?
Nirvana should be in in the discussion on influence alone.
I brought up longevity. I just don’t think it’s that as important as body of work during active years and it’s effect on later generations. How many of these people dissing Aerosmith would include them if not for the 2nd career material?
Popularity X Album Sales X Length of Service = Greatness
* We have limited the field to the 'rock band' genre so guys like Michael Jackson don't factor in this discussion.
* A band can qualify for greatness without a long career if (say) their album sales are significant.
* Popularity is defined as concert attendance, merchandise sales, etc.
Lastly... I haven't given this a ton of thought. I'm just kibda going off the top of my head. The 'greatest bands' I suggested are not my group of personal favourites (although I do like them all to varying degrees).
Isn't "Everlong" a pretty big deal?0 -
If popularity and longevity are big factors then I’d have to give the nod to Foo Fighters over PJ. At their respective peaks, I don’t think FF are quite as big a deal, but I think they’ve stayed bigger for longer. PJ has bounced back in the decade or so since the legacy push started, but FF haven’t really needed that.
Everlong is certainly equal to any PJ song in the grand scheme. Easily in the discussion for rock song of the 90s and they have quite a few more songs more widely considered classic.
Also, although huge at the time I don’t think Vs is considered all that iconic.Post edited by DewieCox on0
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