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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,583
    Tiki said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    haha, the jury system is so absurd.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-winning-conviction-on-all-counts.html
    Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
    More attention by the prosecution on jury selection might have prevented that but maybe the amount of evidence made them lazy?
     
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  • ikiT
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    JC29856 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    haha, the jury system is so absurd.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-winning-conviction-on-all-counts.html
    doxx and hang!
    Has CNN shown up to their workplace for questioning?
    PAY UP or SHUT UP
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tiki said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    haha, the jury system is so absurd.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-winning-conviction-on-all-counts.html
    Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
    More attention by the prosecution on jury selection might have prevented that but maybe the amount of evidence made them lazy?
     
    A preponderance of FACTS worked against them with the Trumpito supporter.  SAD.

    #standuptostupid
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,526
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tiki said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    haha, the jury system is so absurd.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-winning-conviction-on-all-counts.html
    Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
    More attention by the prosecution on jury selection might have prevented that but maybe the amount of evidence made them lazy?
     
    She voted guilty though.

    It was another woman sticking to her "not guilty".
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    It's all on her. 

    Thankfully she won't be at the DC trial.  DOJ  can take what they've learned from Tessie here and apply it to a properly chosen and sequestered jury.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/16/app-politics-section/mueller-manafort-evidence-next-trial/index.html

    Good luck Manny, yer gonna need it.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Tiki said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tiki said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    haha, the jury system is so absurd.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-winning-conviction-on-all-counts.html
    Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
    More attention by the prosecution on jury selection might have prevented that but maybe the amount of evidence made them lazy?
     
    A preponderance of FACTS worked against them with the Trumpito supporter.  SAD.

    #standuptostupid
    Wonder if she was tampered with in any way? Maybe check her spend history? Whether she suddenly got a new set of wheels or is taking a trip of a life time soon?
     
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  • ikiT
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tiki said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tiki said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    haha, the jury system is so absurd.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-winning-conviction-on-all-counts.html
    Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
    More attention by the prosecution on jury selection might have prevented that but maybe the amount of evidence made them lazy?
     
    A preponderance of FACTS worked against them with the Trumpito supporter.  SAD.

    #standuptostupid
    Wonder if she was tampered with in any way? Maybe check her spend history? Whether she suddenly got a new set of wheels or is taking a trip of a life time soon?
     
    That thought crossed my mind as soon as they went into day 3 of delibs.


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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,859
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tiki said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tiki said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    haha, the jury system is so absurd.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-winning-conviction-on-all-counts.html
    Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
    More attention by the prosecution on jury selection might have prevented that but maybe the amount of evidence made them lazy?
     
    A preponderance of FACTS worked against them with the Trumpito supporter.  SAD.

    #standuptostupid
    Wonder if she was tampered with in any way? Maybe check her spend history? Whether she suddenly got a new set of wheels or is taking a trip of a life time soon?
     
    Again the trump supported REPORTED that one woman held out...it wasn’t her. 
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

    David Pecker Granted Immunity in Cohen Case

    Publishing executive met with prosecutors to describe involvement of Cohen, Trump in hush-money deals to women ahead of 2016 election


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/pecker-granted-immunity-in-cohen-case-1535041976?mod=hp_lead_pos1

    Uh oh. More rats fleeing a sinking ship.
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Pecker...HILARIOUS
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2018
    Tiki said:
    Pecker...HILARIOUS
    What is up with these Peckers and Weiners in “high up positions”?  Maybe being a dick does help your career, lol
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,756
    PJPOWER said:
    Tiki said:
    Pecker...HILARIOUS
    What is up with these Peckers and Weiners in “high up positions”?  Maybe being a dick does help your career, lol
    it def helped the current president being numero 1 as far as dicks is concerned !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,583
    edited August 2018
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tiki said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tiki said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    haha, the jury system is so absurd.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-winning-conviction-on-all-counts.html
    Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
    More attention by the prosecution on jury selection might have prevented that but maybe the amount of evidence made them lazy?
     
    A preponderance of FACTS worked against them with the Trumpito supporter.  SAD.

    #standuptostupid
    Wonder if she was tampered with in any way? Maybe check her spend history? Whether she suddenly got a new set of wheels or is taking a trip of a life time soon?
     
    Again the trump supported REPORTED that one woman held out...it wasn’t her. 
    I was referring to the alleged hold out as having been tampered with.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    josevolution said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Tiki said:
    Pecker...HILARIOUS
    What is up with these Peckers and Weiners in “high up positions”?  Maybe being a dick does help your career, lol
    it def helped the current president being numero 1 as far as dicks is concerned !
    Being a dick. Not having one.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tiki said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tiki said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    haha, the jury system is so absurd.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-winning-conviction-on-all-counts.html
    Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
    More attention by the prosecution on jury selection might have prevented that but maybe the amount of evidence made them lazy?
     
    A preponderance of FACTS worked against them with the Trumpito supporter.  SAD.

    #standuptostupid
    Wonder if she was tampered with in any way? Maybe check her spend history? Whether she suddenly got a new set of wheels or is taking a trip of a life time soon?
     
    Again the trump supported REPORTED that one woman held out...it wasn’t her. 
    I was referring to the alleged hold out as having been tampered with.
    so why would the hold-out agree to convict on 8 of the 18 if she had been paid off? that doesn't make much sense. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,583
    edited August 2018
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tiki said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tiki said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    haha, the jury system is so absurd.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-winning-conviction-on-all-counts.html
    Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
    More attention by the prosecution on jury selection might have prevented that but maybe the amount of evidence made them lazy?
     
    A preponderance of FACTS worked against them with the Trumpito supporter.  SAD.

    #standuptostupid
    Wonder if she was tampered with in any way? Maybe check her spend history? Whether she suddenly got a new set of wheels or is taking a trip of a life time soon?
     
    Again the trump supported REPORTED that one woman held out...it wasn’t her. 
    I was referring to the alleged hold out as having been tampered with.
    so why would the hold-out agree to convict on 8 of the 18 if she had been paid off? that doesn't make much sense. 
    Because the 8 were just so ridiculously obvious they couldn’t explain to their fellow jurors why they can acquit. But hey, they tried, right? And I didn’t say they had been paid off, just wondering if they might have been tampered with and maybe the press should do some digging.
    Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Remember, Manafort didn’t even mount a defense. Think the fix is in, tampered jury or pardon?
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  • benjs
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    Tiki said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    haha, the jury system is so absurd.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-winning-conviction-on-all-counts.html
    Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
    Couldn't there just as easily have been avid Hillary Clinton or DNC or Barack Obama supporters? If you're looking for an impartial jury, you're not being realistic. Everybody has values, therefore everybody has bias.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,583
    benjs said:
    Tiki said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    haha, the jury system is so absurd.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-winning-conviction-on-all-counts.html
    Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
    Couldn't there just as easily have been avid Hillary Clinton or DNC or Barack Obama supporters? If you're looking for an impartial jury, you're not being realistic. Everybody has values, therefore everybody has bias.
    In which case it’s incumbent upon the defense to be diligent in the jury selection process, if that is of concern or they think it would inhibit a fair trial for their client.
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    benjs said:
    Tiki said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    haha, the jury system is so absurd.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-winning-conviction-on-all-counts.html
    Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
    Couldn't there just as easily have been avid Hillary Clinton or DNC or Barack Obama supporters? If you're looking for an impartial jury, you're not being realistic. Everybody has values, therefore everybody has bias.
    Yeah, but an avid Trump supporter is a special kind of stupid that shouldn't be deciding the fate of anybody.
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