Without Government...

brianlux said:

unsung said:

Just wondering when your day of worship is...

Define "worship", please.

Edit: oh, I see, because I said "galldang it" and "damn it".  Meant no offense to anyone but I don't consider such phrases sacrilege on any particular day.  If it's "wrong" to say something, it's either always wrong or never wrong. 

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Red light cameras...oh a whole 'nother topic.  

Not in MN.  Speed cameras either.  Hell, they don't even monitor the toll lanes.  Another reason I love this state. 

Chicago was caught shortening the yellow light timing after red light cameras were installed, and after they installed the speed cameras they removed a bunch of speed bumps.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? You need speed bumps to avoid the speed cameras? Incapable of driving the speed limit? It’s all big governments fault.

I would agree that there seems to be a general lack of personal responsibility.
But removing speed bumps to put in a camera seems to confirm the suspicion they aren't s they for safety, but for revenue. many cities and even a few states have banned the use of red light cameras because of the number of lawful drivers who were getting tickets. And it sucks when you have to take 2 days off of work to fight a ticket in many cases. Most prefer to just pay $100 fine that to take off work, and that's just wrong when many never deserved the ticket to begin with.

All it means is the city is attempting to condition a population that doesn’t require a costly bump installation for every time they want drivers to behave. They have rights to all the revenue they make for that, given the population could have chosen to simply behave better and not require the city to have had them in the first place. They do owe the people a fully accurate speed test though; anything else should require a manual human review before inconveniencing a citizen.

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Red light cameras...oh a whole 'nother topic.  

Not in MN.  Speed cameras either.  Hell, they don't even monitor the toll lanes.  Another reason I love this state. 

Chicago was caught shortening the yellow light timing after red light cameras were installed, and after they installed the speed cameras they removed a bunch of speed bumps.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? You need speed bumps to avoid the speed cameras? Incapable of driving the speed limit? It’s all big governments fault.

I would agree that there seems to be a general lack of personal responsibility.
But removing speed bumps to put in a camera seems to confirm the suspicion they aren't s they for safety, but for revenue. many cities and even a few states have banned the use of red light cameras because of the number of lawful drivers who were getting tickets. And it sucks when you have to take 2 days off of work to fight a ticket in many cases. Most prefer to just pay $100 fine that to take off work, and that's just wrong when many never deserved the ticket to begin with.

All it means is the city is attempting to condition a population that doesn’t require a costly bump installation for every time they want drivers to behave. They have rights to all the revenue they make for that, given the population could have chosen to simply behave better and not require the city to have had them in the first place. They do owe the people a fully accurate speed test though; anything else should require a manual human review before inconveniencing a citizen.

I agree they have rights to that revenue. I don't have an issue with a city ticketing bad drivers. 
But I still stand by what I said, that sometimes these cameras are known to be faulty and there is a big perception they are there for revenue and not to increase safety. And that revenue would Lynne justified if they are not close to 100% accurate.
if you don't like costly speed bumps, then I would think removing them would be as expensive if not even more.