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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:
    rgambs said:
     L.p.unsung said:
    brianlux said:
    unsung said:

    sounds like a veiled endorsement of homeschooling. in the real world, those three cogs are dysfunctional.
    And for some reason, this poster has omitted a very large cog- administration.
    also funding. but in libertarian logic, you have to leave those things out to make your point.
    Not really worried about funding.  There would be no government schools.
    It's always nice when you let your guard down and show how extreme your belief system is.
    I've never once said govt schools were ok in my book.
    Oh, I know, you are entirely consistent in your extremism, always have been.
    You just don't let it show all that often.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    unsung said:
    rgambs said:
     L.p.unsung said:
    brianlux said:
    unsung said:

    sounds like a veiled endorsement of homeschooling. in the real world, those three cogs are dysfunctional.
    And for some reason, this poster has omitted a very large cog- administration.
    also funding. but in libertarian logic, you have to leave those things out to make your point.
    Not really worried about funding.  There would be no government schools.
    It's always nice when you let your guard down and show how extreme your belief system is.
    I've never once said govt schools were ok in my book.
    Public schools (aka "government schools") have their down side but I worked in them and it was not all bad, not by far.  Besides, if it weren't for public schools we night not have had...

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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    rgambs said:
    unsung said:pparently
    rgambs said:
     L.p.unsung said:
    brianlux said:
    unsung said:

    sounds like a veiled endorsement of homeschooling. in the real world, those three cogs are dysfunctional.
    And for some reason, this poster has omitted a very large cog- administration.
    also funding. but in libertarian logic, you have to leave those things out to make your point.
    Not really worried about funding.  There would be no government schools.
    It's always nice when you let your guard down and show how extreme your belief system is.
    I've never once said govt schools were ok in my book.
    Oh, I know, you are entirely consistent in your extremism, always have been.
    You just don't let it show all that often.
    Yeah, I fully admit to not support those indoctrination centers.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,763
    edited December 2017
    brianlux said:
    unsung said:
    rgambs said:
     L.p.unsung said:
    brianlux said:
    unsung said:

    sounds like a veiled endorsement of homeschooling. in the real world, those three cogs are dysfunctional.
    And for some reason, this poster has omitted a very large cog- administration.
    also funding. but in libertarian logic, you have to leave those things out to make your point.
    Not really worried about funding.  There would be no government schools.
    It's always nice when you let your guard down and show how extreme your belief system is.
    I've never once said govt schools were ok in my book.
    Public schools (aka "government schools") have their down side but I worked in them and it was not all bad, not by far.  Besides, if it weren't for public schools we night not have had...

    But Brian anyone with half a brain knows public schools are government  funded indoctrination centers whose only goal is to brainwash the children to accept people of different races, creeds, nationalities, religions, and sexual orientations.
    Not to mention communism, socialism, leninism, and stalinism.
    And pinkos don't  forget the pinkos

    Post edited by Bentleyspop on
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    brianlux said:
    unsung said:
    rgambs said:
     L.p.unsung said:
    brianlux said:
    unsung said:

    sounds like a veiled endorsement of homeschooling. in the real world, those three cogs are dysfunctional.
    And for some reason, this poster has omitted a very large cog- administration.
    also funding. but in libertarian logic, you have to leave those things out to make your point.
    Not really worried about funding.  There would be no government schools.
    It's always nice when you let your guard down and show how extreme your belief system is.
    I've never once said govt schools were ok in my book.
    Public schools (aka "government schools") have their down side but I worked in them and it was not all bad, not by far.  Besides, if it weren't for public schools we night not have had...

    But Brian anyone with half a brain knows public schools are government  funded indoctrination centers whose only goal is to brainwash the children to accept people of different races, creeds, nationalities, religions, and sexual orientations.
    Not to mention communism, socialism, leninism, and stalinism.
    And pinkos don't  forget the pinkos

    All correct, BP only it's "galldang pinkos!" (often punctuated with "damn it!").
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Just wondering when your day of worship is...
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    brianlux said:
    unsung said:
    rgambs said:
     L.p.unsung said:
    brianlux said:
    unsung said:

    sounds like a veiled endorsement of homeschooling. in the real world, those three cogs are dysfunctional.
    And for some reason, this poster has omitted a very large cog- administration.
    also funding. but in libertarian logic, you have to leave those things out to make your point.
    Not really worried about funding.  There would be no government schools.
    It's always nice when you let your guard down and show how extreme your belief system is.
    I've never once said govt schools were ok in my book.
    Public schools (aka "government schools") have their down side but I worked in them and it was not all bad, not by far.  Besides, if it weren't for public schools we night not have had...

    But Brian anyone with half a brain knows public schools are government  funded indoctrination centers whose only goal is to brainwash the children to accept people of different races, creeds, nationalities, religions, and sexual orientations.
    Not to mention communism, socialism, leninism, and stalinism.
    And pinkos don't  forget the pinkos

    At least you admit it.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    edited December 2017
    unsung said:
    Just wondering when your day of worship is...
    Define "worship", please.

    Edit: oh, I see, because I said "galldang it" and "damn it".  Meant no offense to anyone but I don't consider such phrases sacrilege on any particular day.  If it's "wrong" to say something, it's either always wrong or never wrong. 
    Post edited by brianlux on
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Red light cameras...oh a whole 'nother topic.  
    Not in MN.  Speed cameras either.  Hell, they don't even monitor the toll lanes.  Another reason I love this state. 
    Chicago was caught shortening the yellow light timing after red light cameras were installed, and after they installed the speed cameras they removed a bunch of speed bumps.
    Whatever happened to personal responsibility? You need speed bumps to avoid the speed cameras? Incapable of driving the speed limit? It’s all big governments fault.
    I would agree that there seems to be a general lack of personal responsibility.
    But removing speed bumps to put in a camera seems to confirm the suspicion they aren't s they for safety, but for revenue. many cities and even a few states have banned the use of red light cameras because of the number of lawful drivers who were getting tickets. And it sucks when you have to take 2 days off of work to fight a ticket in many cases. Most prefer to just pay $100 fine that to take off work, and that's just wrong when many never deserved the ticket to begin with.
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,144
    mace1229 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Red light cameras...oh a whole 'nother topic.  
    Not in MN.  Speed cameras either.  Hell, they don't even monitor the toll lanes.  Another reason I love this state. 
    Chicago was caught shortening the yellow light timing after red light cameras were installed, and after they installed the speed cameras they removed a bunch of speed bumps.
    Whatever happened to personal responsibility? You need speed bumps to avoid the speed cameras? Incapable of driving the speed limit? It’s all big governments fault.
    I would agree that there seems to be a general lack of personal responsibility.
    But removing speed bumps to put in a camera seems to confirm the suspicion they aren't s they for safety, but for revenue. many cities and even a few states have banned the use of red light cameras because of the number of lawful drivers who were getting tickets. And it sucks when you have to take 2 days off of work to fight a ticket in many cases. Most prefer to just pay $100 fine that to take off work, and that's just wrong when many never deserved the ticket to begin with.
    All it means is the city is attempting to condition a population that doesn’t require a costly bump installation for every time they want drivers to behave. They have rights to all the revenue they make for that, given the population could have chosen to simply behave better and not require the city to have had them in the first place. They do owe the people a fully accurate speed test though; anything else should require a manual human review before inconveniencing a citizen.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,763
    brianlux said:
    unsung said:
    Just wondering when your day of worship is...
    Define "worship", please.

    Edit: oh, I see, because I said "galldang it" and "damn it".  Meant no offense to anyone but I don't consider such phrases sacrilege on any particular day.  If it's "wrong" to say something, it's either always wrong or never wrong. 
    Anyone who gets offended by "damn it" "gall dang it" and "goddamnit " needs to examine their life and priorities.
    Hope you're  having a good xmas, Kwanzaa,  and boxing day no matter what you "worship".
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    brianlux said:
    unsung said:
    Just wondering when your day of worship is...
    Define "worship", please.

    Edit: oh, I see, because I said "galldang it" and "damn it".  Meant no offense to anyone but I don't consider such phrases sacrilege on any particular day.  If it's "wrong" to say something, it's either always wrong or never wrong. 
    Anyone who gets offended by "damn it" "gall dang it" and "goddamnit " needs to examine their life and priorities.
    Hope you're  having a good xmas, Kwanzaa,  and boxing day no matter what you "worship".
    Add to that list one of my favorite Paul Westerberg phrases, "hallefuckinlujah"!
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    benjs said:
    mace1229 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Red light cameras...oh a whole 'nother topic.  
    Not in MN.  Speed cameras either.  Hell, they don't even monitor the toll lanes.  Another reason I love this state. 
    Chicago was caught shortening the yellow light timing after red light cameras were installed, and after they installed the speed cameras they removed a bunch of speed bumps.
    Whatever happened to personal responsibility? You need speed bumps to avoid the speed cameras? Incapable of driving the speed limit? It’s all big governments fault.
    I would agree that there seems to be a general lack of personal responsibility.
    But removing speed bumps to put in a camera seems to confirm the suspicion they aren't s they for safety, but for revenue. many cities and even a few states have banned the use of red light cameras because of the number of lawful drivers who were getting tickets. And it sucks when you have to take 2 days off of work to fight a ticket in many cases. Most prefer to just pay $100 fine that to take off work, and that's just wrong when many never deserved the ticket to begin with.
    All it means is the city is attempting to condition a population that doesn’t require a costly bump installation for every time they want drivers to behave. They have rights to all the revenue they make for that, given the population could have chosen to simply behave better and not require the city to have had them in the first place. They do owe the people a fully accurate speed test though; anything else should require a manual human review before inconveniencing a citizen.
    I agree they have rights to that revenue. I don't have an issue with a city ticketing bad drivers. 
    But I still stand by what I said, that sometimes these cameras are known to be faulty and there is a big perception they are there for revenue and not to increase safety. And that revenue would Lynne justified if they are not close to 100% accurate.
    if you don't like costly speed bumps, then I would think removing them would be as expensive if not even more. 

  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487

  • mace1229 said:
    benjs said:
    mace1229 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Red light cameras...oh a whole 'nother topic.  
    Not in MN.  Speed cameras either.  Hell, they don't even monitor the toll lanes.  Another reason I love this state. 
    Chicago was caught shortening the yellow light timing after red light cameras were installed, and after they installed the speed cameras they removed a bunch of speed bumps.
    Whatever happened to personal responsibility? You need speed bumps to avoid the speed cameras? Incapable of driving the speed limit? It’s all big governments fault.
    I would agree that there seems to be a general lack of personal responsibility.
    But removing speed bumps to put in a camera seems to confirm the suspicion they aren't s they for safety, but for revenue. many cities and even a few states have banned the use of red light cameras because of the number of lawful drivers who were getting tickets. And it sucks when you have to take 2 days off of work to fight a ticket in many cases. Most prefer to just pay $100 fine that to take off work, and that's just wrong when many never deserved the ticket to begin with.
    All it means is the city is attempting to condition a population that doesn’t require a costly bump installation for every time they want drivers to behave. They have rights to all the revenue they make for that, given the population could have chosen to simply behave better and not require the city to have had them in the first place. They do owe the people a fully accurate speed test though; anything else should require a manual human review before inconveniencing a citizen.
    I agree they have rights to that revenue. I don't have an issue with a city ticketing bad drivers. 
    But I still stand by what I said, that sometimes these cameras are known to be faulty and there is a big perception they are there for revenue and not to increase safety. And that revenue would Lynne justified if they are not close to 100% accurate.
    if you don't like costly speed bumps, then I would think removing them would be as expensive if not even more. 

    if the general populace really gave a shit about speed safety, we wouldn't allow car companies to make cars that can go 200 mph when legally they can only go 65 at most. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    edited August 2018
    unsung said:

    sounds like a veiled endorsement of homeschooling. in the real world, those three cogs are dysfunctional.
    The parents are the main problem. Before administrators wussed out by letting parents have way more influence and control than they ever should have been granted, everything worked way better. If school systems would take their balls back and made the parents stay out of what they are unqualified to do, things would be so much better.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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