9 covers

foodboy · August 2018

wasn't there but sounds like a great show. to some people who don't like covers that is their opinion and that's fine . but from my earliest listening of bootlegs(before the released ones ) hearing covers was always cool to me. it was part of this band from the beginning. i have always wanted to hear quite a few of them. for those who say too many i just say enjoy the show for what it is and realize that the covers made it a special show in itself. hearing covers is better sometimes than the same hits show after show.

wall232 · August 2018

OnWis97 said:

It's kinda like the debates we have over whether they should talk politics. Well, we know when we buy the tickets that Ed may say some political things and we can decide whether we want to go or not but if we do go we shouldn't whine about it. The politics is fine by me.

Similarly, we know they play a lot of covers. Personally, my taste would be one or two covers, given the size of their catalog. I think, all else equal, six more PJ songs and six fewer covers would make for a better show. I'm going to Missoula and both Wrigley shows and I knew when I made the travel plans that this is roughly their ratio. So who would I be to complain now?

Totally agree, I know when going to a show that I'll be hearing covers (and politics). I still don't think it's an issue for someone to post on the 10c board that they think 9 covers is a too much, this is what these boards are for, no? Some people, and not you OnWis97, just don't want anyone to ever say anything negative about "their" band.

Gern Blansten · August 2018

foodboy said:

wasn't there but sounds like a great show. to some people who don't like covers that is their opinion and that's fine . but from my earliest listening of bootlegs(before the released ones ) hearing covers was always cool to me. it was part of this band from the beginning. i have always wanted to hear quite a few of them. for those who say too many i just say enjoy the show for what it is and realize that the covers made it a special show in itself. hearing covers is better sometimes than the same hits show after show.

right but when the covers could be replaced with Insignificance, Grievance, 1/2 full, Ghost, Rival, Army Reserve, etc.....

pjl44 · August 2018

Merkin Baller said:

pjl44 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

If someone was at the show and has a critique, that's one thing. I'm not hearing it if someone is reading a setlist online.

So I agree and disagree with this.

I agree you can't comment on performance, eddie's voice, etc.

But I think you can look at the setlist and have a few questions/comments. And again, personally I think it looks like a very solid setlist....though a couple of covers I'd like removed and add in some great Pearl Jam songs instead!

I've been to Pearl Jam shows that were electric where people online complained about it being a "greatest hits" set.

On covers specifically - I also love My Morning Jacket and they can go cover-heavy at times. I have seen that make for an amazing show and I've also seen it leave me wanting more.

I feel the same way when people shit on a poster design based on a posted picture. These are things meant to be experienced in person. You *can* have an opinion on it without doing so. You won't be thrown in prison. But I don't think it has any merit.

So - I agree with you on having an opinion of how a specific show went and felt. But still think discussing the setlist and saying "too many covers", "I want more No Code...or Riot Act" and the like is a valid opinion with merit. Cause #1 it's an opinion and #2 it's not saying the specific show was bad, just that they'd prefer to hear more PJ songs.

I have been at a few "greatest hits" setlists myself that were terrific shows. Rome from this year might not jump out at people but I was amazed at how good everything sounded and the just plain fun atmosphere. It was a blast.

Ok - I definitely get what you're saying there and that makes sense

Yeah, it shouldn’t be outrageous to suggest you would rather hear actual Pearl Jam songs at a Pearl Jam concert, but I guess to some people it’s out of the question.

It's how quite a few folks go about "suggesting" that is taken to task. Everyone has favorites they hope to hear.

foodboy · August 2018

well there is night 2 coming.i am sure they have something up their sleeve.wait and see. to me it was a special show. just like toronto 16 night 1 playing all of binaural. people complained about that too unbelievably.

Massara133 · August 2018

my2hands said:

I love covers... especially by PJ... so keep them coming

But I do wish they would a lot play more songs written after 1998, I've noticed they are leaning more & more on their early catalog

Fellas, you made some amazing music after 1998, feel free to share it

Agree with all this!

OnWis97 · August 2018

Gern Blansten said:

foodboy said:

wasn't there but sounds like a great show. to some people who don't like covers that is their opinion and that's fine . but from my earliest listening of bootlegs(before the released ones ) hearing covers was always cool to me. it was part of this band from the beginning. i have always wanted to hear quite a few of them. for those who say too many i just say enjoy the show for what it is and realize that the covers made it a special show in itself. hearing covers is better sometimes than the same hits show after show.

right but when the covers could be replaced with Insignificance, Grievance, 1/2 full, Ghost, Rival, Army Reserve, etc.....

I totally agree. They could offer replace any three of those covers with Fatal (or Other Side, or Rival, or etc.) and I'd take it. So I am going to say something "bad" about them. They play too many covers. They have far too many songs that playing 25% covers makes any sense.

I know we have to balance between "critiquing" and "submitting our ideal setlists" but I think it's totally reasonable to critique them for play 25% covers AND for barely touching the second half of their catalog.

I also don't prefer an all-hits show but I understand that a lot of people are at the only PJ show they are going to be at and for everyone clamoring for "In My Tree" there are probably five people hoping for "Daughter." Playing a lot of hits (particularly at festivals or places they rarely play) makes sense. Playing this many covers really does not. But again, I know this going in. I am going in expecting that the Missoula setlist (which should be all hits and covers) will be very far from my ideal, but I should still like the show. Everyone on this board knows what they are getting. And it's three hours, 30+ songs and at least seven covers. If it deters you from going, I respect that. Really. It's expensive, it's a hassle, and for most of us, it's travel. But last night's ratio should surprise nobody.

nothingman44 · August 2018

dimitrispearljam said:

on2legs said:

dimitrispearljam said:

on2legs said:

dimitrispearljam said:

Was wondering what other things people will find to complain.. There u have it.

But weren’t you on here recently complaining about the Euro posters being dropped while people were traveling?

seems u have an obsetion with what i say or what i do..find something different to spent your time than me..
and i asked a question to santos..and how they drop and when the posters answered

My point is... you weren’t happy about the poster drops and some weren’t happy with the amount of covers. You both should get to post your opinions.

my opint is ill complain when for any reason 10c see non americans fans, europeans,australian etc as second category fans and has always priority to please americans and not the rest of us..when there is unjustice ill point it out..im not complaining about the band or anything else..but my money is the same as anyone else pays for the membership.so i want a fair game.for us europeans.when comes the rights as 10c members

Unjustice...?
Rights as 10c members...?

Wow dude, it's posters and other non-trivial stuff that they sell. If the time that they sell it bothers you that much, set your alarm. The 10c works on US time, specifically PST. When they put stuff up for sale and I am at work and can't get on the computer, I don't feel like it is an injustice and/or infringement on whatever "rights" are afforded to us by being a member of a band's fan club.

But I digress...this is Pearl Jam. They are mixing in more and more covers at these big stadium shows. Personally, I would like to see more PJ originals. It is what it is...nothing to to get all worked up over.

Gern Blansten · August 2018

OnWis97 said:

Gern Blansten said:

foodboy said:

wasn't there but sounds like a great show. to some people who don't like covers that is their opinion and that's fine . but from my earliest listening of bootlegs(before the released ones ) hearing covers was always cool to me. it was part of this band from the beginning. i have always wanted to hear quite a few of them. for those who say too many i just say enjoy the show for what it is and realize that the covers made it a special show in itself. hearing covers is better sometimes than the same hits show after show.

right but when the covers could be replaced with Insignificance, Grievance, 1/2 full, Ghost, Rival, Army Reserve, etc.....

I totally agree. They could offer replace any three of those covers with Fatal (or Other Side, or Rival, or etc.) and I'd take it. So I am going to say something "bad" about them. They play too many covers. They have far too many songs that playing 25% covers makes any sense.

I know we have to balance between "critiquing" and "submitting our ideal setlists" but I think it's totally reasonable to critique them for play 25% covers AND for barely touching the second half of their catalog.

I also don't prefer an all-hits show but I understand that a lot of people are at the only PJ show they are going to be at and for everyone clamoring for "In My Tree" there are probably five people hoping for "Daughter." Playing a lot of hits (particularly at festivals or places they rarely play) makes sense. Playing this many covers really does not. But again, I know this going in. I am going in expecting that the Missoula setlist (which should be all hits and covers) will be very far from my ideal, but I should still like the show. Everyone on this board knows what they are getting. And it's three hours, 30+ songs and at least seven covers. If it deters you from going, I respect that. Really. It's expensive, it's a hassle, and for most of us, it's travel. But last night's ratio should surprise nobody.

I guess it would seem to me that PJ wouldn't care about that. I really don't mean to sound like a dick because I will always buy tickets/merch, etc. I just bought a backpack for my wife's bday. I don't understand why they would make a conscious effort to play so many "hits" and ignore so much of their catalog.

I guess if I was going to interview one of them I would ask that question. It perplexes me.

HesCalledDyer · August 2018

pdalowsky said:

There is definitely a few people around here who need to stop buying tickets. They really dont seem to get anything out of the experience yet keep going, and as a result the moaning cycle continues.

Its fair enough to point out the amount of covers, but 'terrible', 'pathetic' and 'awful'.....really?

Agreed!

CantKeepmedown · August 2018

tbergs said:

Ok, what the hell are people counting as covers these days? Anything the band didn't write as Pearl Jam? I honestly don't think the band sees half of those songs as covers anymore. They play some of them pretty much every show now. They surpassed "cover" a long time ago. Also, are people really counting the brief Beatles cover of Help as the lead in to Help, Help? If so, we better start counting the outros of Betterman, YL and Daughter. Oh, also what about Setting Forth? Total Ed only song. What does that put us at for last night, 11?

Anyway, I agree, we need more from the forgotten albums, but I think the 9 covers claim is pushing it.

And this is 100% true. I would maybe count 5 of those as true covers (Throw Your Hatred Down, I Can Tell We're Gonna Be Friends, Again Today, I've Got a Feeling, and Comfortably Numb). And they did one of those with the original artist!

Help was 1 verse
Patriot and RITFW have been in their live sets for 20 years. I guess I'm missing one?

cincybearcat · August 2018

No offense to Brandi...but I don't like Again today very much at all.

sherm · August 2018

Was it an amazing setlist?! Probably not. I do understand the gripe. I had a good time though. I never once thought to myself "man I wish they were playing something different" but that's just me.

Gern Blansten · August 2018

cincybearcat said:

No offense to Brandi...but I don't like Again today very much at all.

I watched the you tube video and wondered why Eddie was singing so much of it. I would have thought she would have taken the lead.

HesCalledDyer · August 2018

I wouldn't even count I've Got A Feeling. It was on the Japanese version of Ten and, while it doesn't get played a lot these days, it's been hitting the stadium show cycle & was a regular performance back in the early days.

RS65573 · August 2018

HesCalledDyer said:

I wouldn't even count I've Got A Feeling. It was on the Japanese version of Ten and, while it doesn't get played a lot these days, it's been hitting the stadium show cycle & was a regular performance back in the early days.

I think because Seattle didnt get a stadium show in 2016, night 1 was very much like the 2016 shows. Your welcome? lol

Gern Blansten · August 2018

I just cringe and RITFW. Hatred isn't bad. Patriot doesn't do anything for me.

Gibson · August 2018

I can relate.
"My wallet was too heavy last night from all the $50s I had to cram in there."

OnWis97 · August 2018

I really enjoy Patriot from the 2003 bootlegs but the 2016 version was not very good and I would guess that's how they're doing it now.

By page 10 of this thread, the nine covers will be reduced to zero. I guess it was eight because "Help!" was an intro to Help Help. But eight is where the count stands.

Sorry, but RITFW, Crazy Mary, I've Got a Feeling, etc., are covers. They've written 10 albums plus countless b-sides, etc. So yeah, I count anything not originally theirs as a cover. I love Crazy Mary. I have only heard the original one time and would never know it if not for PJ. It's a cover.

pmcgrath5 · August 2018

Similar to Fenway 1 2016. About 7 covers if I recall, still a great show.

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