Democratic socialist writer levels with voters: We want to ‘end capitalism’

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,560
    edited August 2018
    1. The ideological stance that capitalism isn't a wanted or an ultimate system, isn't astounding. Capitalism is predatory in it's essence. And socialism is in its core based on cooperation over competition. 

    2. Saying MSNBX = Fox is such "both siding" bullshit that only comes from the american right to legitimize their own bullshit. Like Trump with Charlotteville. Chris Matthews having a hard-on for Obama while putting congressmen and senators up against the wall isn't equal to Hannity, Tucker etc spewing known lies and gaslighting the viewer base for political reasons.

    You might not line up politically with Matthews, Maddows or whoever with a late-night show on that channel - but they stick with facts, they do not knowingly lie and skew everything into fitting with a right winged state-media-agenda. The same with their morning show Morning Joe, with a charmless republican as host.



    What channel was pushing and legitimatizing conspiracy theories about Benghazi, Obama not being born in the US, and now that the Mueller probe is a witch hunt - Hosts on Fox or MSNBC? Who attacked Obama for wearing a tan suit?

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  • my2hands
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    1. The ideological stance that capitalism isn't a wanted or an ultimate system, isn't astounding. Capitalism is predatory in it's essence. And socialism is in its core based on cooperation over competition. 

    2. Saying MSNBX = Fox is such "both siding" bullshit that only comes from the american right to legitimize their own bullshit. Like Trump with Charlotteville. Chris Matthews having a hard-on for Obama while putting congressmen and senators up against the wall isn't equal to Hannity, Tucker etc spewing known lies and gaslighting the viewer base for political reasons.

    You might not line up politically with Matthews, Maddows or whoever with a late-night show on that channel - but they stick with facts, they do not knowingly lie and skew everything into fitting with a right winged state-media-agenda. The same with their morning show Morning Joe, with a charmless republican as host.



    What channel was pushing and legitimatizing conspiracy theories about Benghazi, Obama not being born in the US, and now that the Mueller probe is a witch hunt - Hosts on Fox or MSNBC? Who attacked Obama for wearing a tan suit?

    Tough to argue against that, except I think Joe is pretty charming lol
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,560
    edited August 2018
    my2hands said:
    Tough to argue against that, except I think Joe is pretty charming lol
    I don't find Morning Joe very "honest". Did you see after some speech Trump held in the beginning and Joe - and the others, who seems to be paid to always gush over Joe's "Lets me take you back to the Reagan era"-takes - talked about how he finally was "presidential". There's a "phony" sheen over the Morning Joe show, and Mikas role and Joes role and the parts they play - over and over. And Joes sell-loving and smug laugh.

    Matthews is my favorite - because he feels honest and a straight shooter. And not as pompous and dramatic as lets say O'Donell or Maddow.

    Just watch the guy here, and compare to Joe and others "don't rock the boat" standing. The guy is a bit dangerous - in a refreshing way.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIoqqd-GpPs
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    edited August 2018
    MSNBC uses facts, logic and reason.

    Fox needs none of that shit.  The more they lie, twist and misinform the more their audience eats it up.

    Keeping America ignorant is how republicans stay in power.

    Edit:  Not to mention Infowars, Breibart etc. shitshows.  They turn up the stupidity to 11.
    Post edited by Smellyman on
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,560
    If you want really "good" news - you shouldn't watch news channel choosing their content and approach to have people stay through the commercial breaks.

    So I guess you all should watch PBS instead. But be entertained by Chris Matthews once in awhile.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Smellyman said:
    MSNBC uses facts, logic and reason.

    Fox needs none of that shit.  The more they lie, twist and misinform the more their audience eats it up.

    Keeping America ignorant is how republicans stay in power.

    Edit:  Not to mention Infowars, Breibart etc. shitshows.  They turn up the stupidity to 11.
    The Rise of Stupid. I wonder how some of those people are able to function through the day.
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  • josevolution
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    I like to listen to NPR news on the radio , I can’t watch fox at all MSNBC I watch in the morning for Joe & night I watch Maddow on weekends I watch public news on my local channel..
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    I had a long drive yesterday.  So I decided to switch between MSNBC, CNN, and Fox news.  It was amazing.

    My personal opinion has been:

    1) Fox news is ridiculously slanted right and lies
    2) MSNBS always skews the facts to the left point of view
    3) CNN is generally more moderate news reporting but leans left on opinion takes

    After listening:
    1) Fox News - holy poop, they whine about any criticism of their network and bias by guests they bring on.  Every guest with a counter opinion seemed to only be invited to ridicule.  VERDICT - Fox news is who I thought they were ;)

    2) MSNBC - they are who I thought they were.  It's without the face-to-face ridicule of Fox, but that's mainly cause you only ever hear 1 sided voice.  I can enjoy listening some now since they bash trump and I am not a fan...but its not news...it's Skews!

    3) CNN - probably because of the attacks by trump, they are becoming increasingly MSNBCish.  They had some takes that were just awful and had no point other than to try and paint trump family members is a bad light.  It's clear Trump is getting to them and it's clear its having a negative impact on them being able to be journalists.  Which sucks.  I was most disappointed in what I heard on CNN.

    I'll continue to follow CNN for news at this point and switch to MSNBC whenever I want to hear some serious Trump bashing.  Though the ridiculousness of the Skews tends to get my blood to boil eventually. Fox News I will continue to avoid cause the lies are awful and my blood boils almost instantly when I turn it on.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Being negative towards Trumps actions =/= being biased to the left

    What did CNN and MSNBC lean left on? Or did they just lean sane on those topics?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,560
    edited August 2018
    Remember Hannity is one of your most viewed shows on TV. Having a climate-denier and complete nut being so popular isn't a sign of a healthy nation. And people on here compare FOX to MSNBC... think about that for a second.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHjFS5f1IT0
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Remember Hannity is one of your most viewed shows on TV. Having a climate-denier and complete nut being so popular isn't a sign of a healthy nation. And people on here compare FOX to MSNBC... think about that for a second.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHjFS5f1IT0
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  • my2hands
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    my2hands said:
    Tough to argue against that, except I think Joe is pretty charming lol
    I don't find Morning Joe very "honest". Did you see after some speech Trump held in the beginning and Joe - and the others, who seems to be paid to always gush over Joe's "Lets me take you back to the Reagan era"-takes - talked about how he finally was "presidential". There's a "phony" sheen over the Morning Joe show, and Mikas role and Joes role and the parts they play - over and over. And Joes sell-loving and smug laugh.

    Matthews is my favorite - because he feels honest and a straight shooter. And not as pompous and dramatic as lets say O'Donell or Maddow.

    Just watch the guy here, and compare to Joe and others "don't rock the boat" standing. The guy is a bit dangerous - in a refreshing way.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIoqqd-GpPs
    Oh, I'm well aware of Chris Matthew's, I agree with you about him and his show, love the guy
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Remember Hannity is one of your most viewed shows on TV. Having a climate-denier and complete nut being so popular isn't a sign of a healthy nation. And people on here compare FOX to MSNBC... think about that for a second.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHjFS5f1IT0
    Great video.  Sadly it shouldn't be needed, but there is huge swath of fact resistant mouth breathers that will always think Hannity is stating facts.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,560
    my2hands said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    my2hands said:
    Tough to argue against that, except I think Joe is pretty charming lol
    I don't find Morning Joe very "honest". Did you see after some speech Trump held in the beginning and Joe - and the others, who seems to be paid to always gush over Joe's "Lets me take you back to the Reagan era"-takes - talked about how he finally was "presidential". There's a "phony" sheen over the Morning Joe show, and Mikas role and Joes role and the parts they play - over and over. And Joes sell-loving and smug laugh.

    Matthews is my favorite - because he feels honest and a straight shooter. And not as pompous and dramatic as lets say O'Donell or Maddow.

    Just watch the guy here, and compare to Joe and others "don't rock the boat" standing. The guy is a bit dangerous - in a refreshing way.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIoqqd-GpPs
    Oh, I'm well aware of Chris Matthew's, I agree with you about him and his show, love the guy
    Too bad it don't air over here in... Switzerland though.

    Thank god that youtube works up here in the alps 

    :)
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    flywallyfly said:

    "The rise of “democratic socialism” has been one of the key developments in the Democratic Party in recent years, first with the popularity of Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and more recently Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s primary win over party mainstay Rep. Joe Crowley in New York. 

    One of the ways the movement is presented is with the claim that this is not your grandfather’s socialism -- or the socialism of the former Soviet Union, Venezuela or other failed states. It’s more “Scandinavian health care” than overthrowing the bourgeoisie.

    But now a democratic socialist writer is leveling with voters, telling them that actually, yes, they want to topple capitalism. 

    "I’m a staff writer at the socialist magazine Jacobin and a member of [the Democratic Socialists of America], and here’s the truth: In the long run, democratic socialists want to end capitalism. "



    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/02/democratic-socialist-writer-levels-with-voters-want-to-end-capitalism.html
    This is fox news MO. They’ve been doing it for years where they take one person or one anecdotal event and claim this is “the left” and a downward trend.  It’s polarizing fear based manipulation that they’ve taken to the bank. So many conservatives live on the world view that liberals are destroying the country and use these individual stories to confirm
     this view.  I’m wondering when bashing San Francisco and the younger generations will get old. 
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    my2hands said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    my2hands said:
    Tough to argue against that, except I think Joe is pretty charming lol
    I don't find Morning Joe very "honest". Did you see after some speech Trump held in the beginning and Joe - and the others, who seems to be paid to always gush over Joe's "Lets me take you back to the Reagan era"-takes - talked about how he finally was "presidential". There's a "phony" sheen over the Morning Joe show, and Mikas role and Joes role and the parts they play - over and over. And Joes sell-loving and smug laugh.

    Matthews is my favorite - because he feels honest and a straight shooter. And not as pompous and dramatic as lets say O'Donell or Maddow.

    Just watch the guy here, and compare to Joe and others "don't rock the boat" standing. The guy is a bit dangerous - in a refreshing way.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIoqqd-GpPs
    Oh, I'm well aware of Chris Matthew's, I agree with you about him and his show, love the guy
    Too bad it don't air over here in... Switzerland though.

    Thank god that youtube works up here in the alps 

    :)
    Bro, you swedish or swiss? Why am I so confused about this lol
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,758
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Being negative towards Trumps actions =/= being biased to the left

    What did CNN and MSNBC lean left on? Or did they just lean sane on those topics?
    Yeah, good questions. I would say they really just lean sane now.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    PJ_Soul said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Being negative towards Trumps actions =/= being biased to the left

    What did CNN and MSNBC lean left on? Or did they just lean sane on those topics?
    Yeah, good questions. I would say they really just lean sane now.
    Sorry I didnt see the question and to be truthful I don;t remember right now specific examples.  AS I continue to check them all out on radio or TV to see how things are presented, it is extremely obvious to me that MSNBC has a hard lean left.  Again, they don't lie outright like Fox but they do have an agenda to push their viewers to a certain direction.  CNN has been more moderate...again, in my opinion...but they have started to get a little crazy with the anti-trump stuff due to all of his attacks on them.  I get it, I just don't think it's a smart play by the network.

    Sure some of the "left leaning" is just being more factual on some topics....but other times they are trying to create outrage over something just to be anti-trump.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,758
    edited August 2018
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Being negative towards Trumps actions =/= being biased to the left

    What did CNN and MSNBC lean left on? Or did they just lean sane on those topics?
    Yeah, good questions. I would say they really just lean sane now.
    Sorry I didnt see the question and to be truthful I don;t remember right now specific examples.  AS I continue to check them all out on radio or TV to see how things are presented, it is extremely obvious to me that MSNBC has a hard lean left.  Again, they don't lie outright like Fox but they do have an agenda to push their viewers to a certain direction.  CNN has been more moderate...again, in my opinion...but they have started to get a little crazy with the anti-trump stuff due to all of his attacks on them.  I get it, I just don't think it's a smart play by the network.

    Sure some of the "left leaning" is just being more factual on some topics....but other times they are trying to create outrage over something just to be anti-trump.
    I'm just wondering exactly how bad Trump has to get before people feel that the news networks being "anti-Trump" is just a responsible, unbiased position to take. I personally think Trump is already that bad. Apparently others do not? So how far does he have to go? Forcefully shutting down press offices that don't cover him positively? Banning the press besides Fox and Breitbart and Infowars from all access to the WH? Actual concentration camps for asylum seekers? Eliminating term limits for the POTUS? Declaring war against allies with Russia? What? I'm starting to feel like some people think the news media should NEVER lean away from Trump (aka "lean left"), no matter how fucked the "right" becomes. That just doesn't seem reasonable to me at all. At what point can the media treat Trump as an illegitimate President heading an illegitimate political party?? I personally think he already is one, and the GOP is no longer something that can possibly be viewed as a legitimate political party that serves the citizens. So why can't the media respond accordingly to that?
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Gtilley8
    Gtilley8 Detroit Posts: 985
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Being negative towards Trumps actions =/= being biased to the left

    What did CNN and MSNBC lean left on? Or did they just lean sane on those topics?
    Yeah, good questions. I would say they really just lean sane now.
    Sorry I didnt see the question and to be truthful I don;t remember right now specific examples.  AS I continue to check them all out on radio or TV to see how things are presented, it is extremely obvious to me that MSNBC has a hard lean left.  Again, they don't lie outright like Fox but they do have an agenda to push their viewers to a certain direction.  CNN has been more moderate...again, in my opinion...but they have started to get a little crazy with the anti-trump stuff due to all of his attacks on them.  I get it, I just don't think it's a smart play by the network.

    Sure some of the "left leaning" is just being more factual on some topics....but other times they are trying to create outrage over something just to be anti-trump.
    I'm just wondering exactly how bad Trump has to get before people feel that the news networks being "anti-Trump" is just a responsible, unbiased position to take. I personally think Trump is already that bad. Apparently others do not? So how far does he have to go? Forcefully shutting down press offices that don't cover him positively? Banning the press besides Fox and Breitbart and Infowars from all access to the WH? Actual concentration camps for asylum seekers? Eliminating term limits for the POTUS? Declaring war against allies with Russia? What? I'm starting to feel like some people think the news media should NEVER lean away from Trump (aka "lean left"), no matter how fucked the "right" becomes. That just doesn't seem reasonable to me at all. At what point can the media treat Trump as an illegitimate President heading an illegitimate political party?? I personally think he already is one, and the GOP is no longer something that can possibly be viewed as a legitimate political party that serves the citizens. So why can't the media respond accordingly to that?
    So, big Trump supporter congressman Collins arrested for insider trading.  Rand Paul delivering letters to Putin while in Russia.  The new norm for the GOP.  
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