Democratic socialist writer levels with voters: We want to ‘end capitalism’

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"The rise of “democratic socialism” has been one of the key developments in the Democratic Party in recent years, first with the popularity of Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and more recently Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s primary win over party mainstay Rep. Joe Crowley in New York. 

One of the ways the movement is presented is with the claim that this is not your grandfather’s socialism -- or the socialism of the former Soviet Union, Venezuela or other failed states. It’s more “Scandinavian health care” than overthrowing the bourgeoisie.

But now a democratic socialist writer is leveling with voters, telling them that actually, yes, they want to topple capitalism. 

"I’m a staff writer at the socialist magazine Jacobin and a member of [the Democratic Socialists of America], and here’s the truth: In the long run, democratic socialists want to end capitalism. "



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/02/democratic-socialist-writer-levels-with-voters-want-to-end-capitalism.html
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    foxnews. 

    Haha. 

    Haha.

    Haha.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
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    :lol:



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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    More importantly, good luck with that, will never happen. What’s the matter? They don’t have Hillary to kick around anymore?
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  • josevolution
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    He he he he hah ha ha ha keep trying the more crap you throw at the wall some is bound to stick keep waiving your Russian flag cause that's who you voted for a bought & paid for candidate of the Kremlin ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • tempo_n_groove
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited August 2018
    I mean, forgetting Fox's insane intended twist on this, one thing is true - under democratic socialism, America's capitalist system would certainly be changed into something that works differently ... for the betterment of all. SO SCARY!!
    I'll never understand why Americans are so protective of a version of an economic system that is so clearly a fucking failure, and so scared of a different version of that economic system that has been proven to work better for society. It's very weird.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    edited August 2018
    tempo_n_groove said:
    MSNBC, FOX, Breitbart, won't be credited news sources on here.



    In what way does MSNBC play fast and loose with facts to the extent to be lumped together with flat out reality-denyers?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited August 2018
    ^^ Good question. MSNBC is not even close to the same level. I feel like some people feel obligated to throw in a left-leaning example just to try and not seem biased... But if you're going to do that, throw in something that is actually comparable - a left-learning "news" source that literally makes shit up and twists facts on a regular basis.... I'm unfortunately unable to think of any liberal-leaning news sources that are as bad as Fox and Breitbart though... there certainly aren't any mainstream ones. I'm sure there must be some that aren't mainstream, but that alone makes them incomparable. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    "Both siding" is an epedemic, in the US atleast. Just watch CNNs panels. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • tempo_n_groove
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    MSNBC, FOX, Breitbart, won't be credited news sources on here.



    In what way does MSNBC play fast and loose with facts to the extent to be lumped together with flat out reality-denyers?
    I stopped watching MSNBC because it was so far left leaning. They are a partisan news channel, no?

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited August 2018
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    MSNBC, FOX, Breitbart, won't be credited news sources on here.



    In what way does MSNBC play fast and loose with facts to the extent to be lumped together with flat out reality-denyers?
    I stopped watching MSNBC because it was so far left leaning. They are a partisan news channel, no?

    Well, no. That would mean they literally have aligned themselves with a political party, like Fox and Breitbart have done, which isn't the case. But at any rate, leaning left or right isn't at all the same as making up shit and twisting facts completely or just plain old refusing to report things that don't serve their cause, which is what Fox and Breitbart do constantly. There are no mainstream left wing equivalents as far as I know.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    PJ_Soul said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    MSNBC, FOX, Breitbart, won't be credited news sources on here.



    In what way does MSNBC play fast and loose with facts to the extent to be lumped together with flat out reality-denyers?
    I stopped watching MSNBC because it was so far left leaning. They are a partisan news channel, no?

    Well, no. That would mean they literally have aligned themselves with a political party, which isn't the case.
    Huh?

    I don't recall ever hearing them side with a conservative or a conservative view yet.  Maybe I missed the one time that they did agree on one?
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited August 2018
    tempo_n_groove said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    MSNBC, FOX, Breitbart, won't be credited news sources on here.



    In what way does MSNBC play fast and loose with facts to the extent to be lumped together with flat out reality-denyers?
    I stopped watching MSNBC because it was so far left leaning. They are a partisan news channel, no?

    Well, no. That would mean they literally have aligned themselves with a political party, which isn't the case.
    Huh?

    I don't recall ever hearing them side with a conservative or a conservative view yet.  Maybe I missed the one time that they did agree on one?
    Huh? I didn't mention views. I mentioned political parties. I don't believe I've ever heard of the "Left Party". (I added more to my post btw)

    But also, MSNBC doesn't MAKE SHIT UP or completely ignore facts when it serves their purpose. They still present facts, and then discuss opinions based on those facts, host discussions, etc. That isn't at all the same as what Fox and Breitbart does.
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  • Gtilley8
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    MSNBC, FOX, Breitbart, won't be credited news sources on here.



    In what way does MSNBC play fast and loose with facts to the extent to be lumped together with flat out reality-denyers?
    I stopped watching MSNBC because it was so far left leaning. They are a partisan news channel, no?

    Well, no. That would mean they literally have aligned themselves with a political party, which isn't the case.
    Huh?

    I don't recall ever hearing them side with a conservative or a conservative view yet.  Maybe I missed the one time that they did agree on one?
    One doesn't have to side with a conservative view to be presenting unbiased facts.  I'm interested to know what you consider to be a solid conservative view (ie, major platform talking point), which we could all agree on.  
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,973
    edited August 2018
    MSNBC has so many Republicans giving their cultish opinions that I almost stopped watching. Then a lot of Republicans started seeing truth and they weren't cultists. There's still a lot of GOP but I see reasonable punditry and discussion. I like that there are a lot of legal people and national security people giving opinions too....and Rachel really educates. imho. 

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    Gtilley8 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    MSNBC, FOX, Breitbart, won't be credited news sources on here.



    In what way does MSNBC play fast and loose with facts to the extent to be lumped together with flat out reality-denyers?
    I stopped watching MSNBC because it was so far left leaning. They are a partisan news channel, no?

    Well, no. That would mean they literally have aligned themselves with a political party, which isn't the case.
    Huh?

    I don't recall ever hearing them side with a conservative or a conservative view yet.  Maybe I missed the one time that they did agree on one?
    One doesn't have to side with a conservative view to be presenting unbiased facts.  I'm interested to know what you consider to be a solid conservative view (ie, major platform talking point), which we could all agree on.  
    That's a good question... It makes me wonder... do some people expect news outlets not to "take sides" when the side they're against is completely fucked up, constantly lies, and is generally a completely clusterfuck??? It is actually possible to not be biased and still fall to one side just because one side makes fucking sense and the other doesn't. And especially now, it's not like both sides are equal! That's very clear.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    Gtilley8 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    MSNBC, FOX, Breitbart, won't be credited news sources on here.



    In what way does MSNBC play fast and loose with facts to the extent to be lumped together with flat out reality-denyers?
    I stopped watching MSNBC because it was so far left leaning. They are a partisan news channel, no?

    Well, no. That would mean they literally have aligned themselves with a political party, which isn't the case.
    Huh?

    I don't recall ever hearing them side with a conservative or a conservative view yet.  Maybe I missed the one time that they did agree on one?
    One doesn't have to side with a conservative view to be presenting unbiased facts.  I'm interested to know what you consider to be a solid conservative view (ie, major platform talking point), which we could all agree on.  
    Immigration reform?

    That seems to be one that both sides want but can't seem to agree on.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited August 2018
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    MSNBC, FOX, Breitbart, won't be credited news sources on here.



    In what way does MSNBC play fast and loose with facts to the extent to be lumped together with flat out reality-denyers?
    I stopped watching MSNBC because it was so far left leaning. They are a partisan news channel, no?

    Well, no. That would mean they literally have aligned themselves with a political party, which isn't the case.
    Huh?

    I don't recall ever hearing them side with a conservative or a conservative view yet.  Maybe I missed the one time that they did agree on one?
    One doesn't have to side with a conservative view to be presenting unbiased facts.  I'm interested to know what you consider to be a solid conservative view (ie, major platform talking point), which we could all agree on.  
    Immigration reform?

    That seems to be one that both sides want but can't seem to agree on.
    Yeah... and the right has most recently handled that by fanning the flames of racism in America and kidnapping kids and putting them in cages, and most of the right (and Fox, et al) have largely worked to defend such things in various crafty ways, so I'm not too surprised that MSNBC has leaned to one side on that one. ;) I would not consider that bias in the context that you mean... you know?
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    PJ_Soul said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    MSNBC, FOX, Breitbart, won't be credited news sources on here.



    In what way does MSNBC play fast and loose with facts to the extent to be lumped together with flat out reality-denyers?
    I stopped watching MSNBC because it was so far left leaning. They are a partisan news channel, no?

    Well, no. That would mean they literally have aligned themselves with a political party, which isn't the case.
    Huh?

    I don't recall ever hearing them side with a conservative or a conservative view yet.  Maybe I missed the one time that they did agree on one?
    One doesn't have to side with a conservative view to be presenting unbiased facts.  I'm interested to know what you consider to be a solid conservative view (ie, major platform talking point), which we could all agree on.  
    Immigration reform?

    That seems to be one that both sides want but can't seem to agree on.
    Yeah... and the right has most recently handled that by fanning the flames of racism in America and kidnapping kids and putting them in cages, and most of the right (and Fox, et al) have largely worked to defend such things in various crafty ways, so I'm not too surprised that MSNBC has leaned to one side on that one. ;) I would not consider that bias in the context that you mean... you know?
    No that wasn't my angle on that at all.

    Conservative view was to have a better vetting process and stop the influx of border crossings NOT what is happening now.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited August 2018
    tempo_n_groove said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    MSNBC, FOX, Breitbart, won't be credited news sources on here.



    In what way does MSNBC play fast and loose with facts to the extent to be lumped together with flat out reality-denyers?
    I stopped watching MSNBC because it was so far left leaning. They are a partisan news channel, no?

    Well, no. That would mean they literally have aligned themselves with a political party, which isn't the case.
    Huh?

    I don't recall ever hearing them side with a conservative or a conservative view yet.  Maybe I missed the one time that they did agree on one?
    One doesn't have to side with a conservative view to be presenting unbiased facts.  I'm interested to know what you consider to be a solid conservative view (ie, major platform talking point), which we could all agree on.  
    Immigration reform?

    That seems to be one that both sides want but can't seem to agree on.
    Yeah... and the right has most recently handled that by fanning the flames of racism in America and kidnapping kids and putting them in cages, and most of the right (and Fox, et al) have largely worked to defend such things in various crafty ways, so I'm not too surprised that MSNBC has leaned to one side on that one. ;) I would not consider that bias in the context that you mean... you know?
    No that wasn't my angle on that at all.

    Conservative view was to have a better vetting process and stop the influx of border crossings NOT what is happening now.
    Sure, it WAS, back when conservative politicians and supporters were sane. But the conservative view has warped into "make policy based on racism and xenophobia, build a wall that we'll now try to pay for by sneaking it into important bills about other things, and also ZERO TOLERANCE! Jail the kids and traumatize them! Also, the left wants open borders, didn'tcha know??? They want to let the rapists and terrorists in!" Plus, "FAKE NEWS!!!" (real news is fake news, fake news is real news in the new conservative government).
    It's kind of impossible to be balanced when one whole side has gone completely off the rails - while the only party that represents it is completely imploding and literally acting fucking insane.


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