The Ocean. Fishing & Whaling. Sustainable? Illegal? Over fished?

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

So was it a blue whale? or a hybrid as the whaler claims?  Doubt we'll ever know.  Apparently some of the meat was sent off for DNA testing, but that whale meat was mixed with some fin whale...

The things is that this particular whale looked like a blue whale and because of that should never have been killed in the first place (my own opinion is that NO whale should ever be killed).  Here's on of several articles that illustrate that point:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/13/killing-blue-whale-disconnected-nature-sea-ignorance

Having seen many blue whales at close quarters, I can attest to this identification. As Peter Wilson, a whale expert and tour guide to Iceland, notes in his blog: “Whether they thought it was a blue or had someone out there who doesn’t know the difference, it shows complete disregard for any idea of expertise and a scientifically supported sense of sustainability”.

The claims the Iceland whaling fleet make about it being a "hybrid" are just excuses. A number of whale experts have pointed out that it is likely this is a blue whale and even if it does turn out to be a hybrid, the idea of "Let's kill it first and then do some DNA test to find out if we've fucked up" is inexcusable and wrong.

Wouldn't mind seeing this in 2018:

One half of the Icelandic Whaling Fleet, 1984

Fair enough.  I did a little research on the whaling industry.  I read that Norway and Japan continue to whale hunt for no other reason that they do to like be told not to.  If that is true, that seem ridiculous.

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

So was it a blue whale? or a hybrid as the whaler claims?  Doubt we'll ever know.  Apparently some of the meat was sent off for DNA testing, but that whale meat was mixed with some fin whale...

The things is that this particular whale looked like a blue whale and because of that should never have been killed in the first place (my own opinion is that NO whale should ever be killed).  Here's on of several articles that illustrate that point:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/13/killing-blue-whale-disconnected-nature-sea-ignorance

Having seen many blue whales at close quarters, I can attest to this identification. As Peter Wilson, a whale expert and tour guide to Iceland, notes in his blog: “Whether they thought it was a blue or had someone out there who doesn’t know the difference, it shows complete disregard for any idea of expertise and a scientifically supported sense of sustainability”.

The claims the Iceland whaling fleet make about it being a "hybrid" are just excuses. A number of whale experts have pointed out that it is likely this is a blue whale and even if it does turn out to be a hybrid, the idea of "Let's kill it first and then do some DNA test to find out if we've fucked up" is inexcusable and wrong.

Wouldn't mind seeing this in 2018:

One half of the Icelandic Whaling Fleet, 1984

Fair enough.  I did a little research on the whaling industry.  I read that Norway and Japan continue to whale hunt for no other reason that they do to like be told not to.  If that is true, that seem ridiculous.

That may well be part of it but my understanding is that an even bigger part of it is money.  There are a lot of people in places like Japan that pay big bucks for the "culinary experience" of eating whale meat.  

And God knows what else.  For example, there is a long history of Norway and Russia using whale meat to feed minks raised for their fur. 

Humans are a disgusting species....

Spiritual_Chaos said:

GO GREEN

Meltdown99 said:

The 'Great Pacific Garbage Patch': Wave after wave of garbage hits the Dominican Republic

https://windsorstar.com/news/world/the-great-pacific-garbage-patch-wave-after-wave-of-garbage-hits-the-dominican-republic/wcm/9eb67aaa-424e-4031-93e1-2326d1a93749

By the looks of that video we to ban more than straws...

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

The 'Great Pacific Garbage Patch': Wave after wave of garbage hits the Dominican Republic

https://windsorstar.com/news/world/the-great-pacific-garbage-patch-wave-after-wave-of-garbage-hits-the-dominican-republic/wcm/9eb67aaa-424e-4031-93e1-2326d1a93749

Terrible!  And then add to that all the little micro-plastics submerged just below the surface that small sea life feed on and disrupt the food chain. 

This is a good reminder to limit plastic use as much as possible and especially single-use plastics.  I attended a big double-birthday party the other day that had 75 guests with lots of catered food and ALL of the plates, cups and utensils were plastic.  That was disgusting enough but then on top of it,  people were dumping them in the trash.  We took several of the plastic items home to reuse.  Single use plastic is obscene.

And just think... all that waste and it comes from one teeny weeny little corner of the earth. Simultaneously, at countless other corners of the earth, the same is occurring... day after day after day.

It's depressing, but it's the reality. There's just no way we can sustain our current population and consumption habits. Humanity is doomed and doomsday is not that far away all things considered. I'm not deliberately trying to be a pessimist as much as I'm saying 'hold on to your hats'.

None of us on this message board (or our kids) will feel the discomfort brought about by our activities to this point in time, but there will be a generation that suffers greatly. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

The 'Great Pacific Garbage Patch': Wave after wave of garbage hits the Dominican Republic

https://windsorstar.com/news/world/the-great-pacific-garbage-patch-wave-after-wave-of-garbage-hits-the-dominican-republic/wcm/9eb67aaa-424e-4031-93e1-2326d1a93749

Terrible!  And then add to that all the little micro-plastics submerged just below the surface that small sea life feed on and disrupt the food chain. 

This is a good reminder to limit plastic use as much as possible and especially single-use plastics.  I attended a big double-birthday party the other day that had 75 guests with lots of catered food and ALL of the plates, cups and utensils were plastic.  That was disgusting enough but then on top of it,  people were dumping them in the trash.  We took several of the plastic items home to reuse.  Single use plastic is obscene.

And just think... all that waste and it comes from one teeny weeny little corner of the earth. Simultaneously, at countless other corners of the earth, the same is occurring... day after day after day.

It's depressing, but it's the reality. There's just no way we can sustain our current population and consumption habits. Humanity is doomed and doomsday is not that far away all things considered. I'm not deliberately trying to be a pessimist as much as I'm saying 'hold on to your hats'.

None of us on this message board (or our kids) will feel the discomfort brought about by our activities to this point in time, but there will be a generation that suffers greatly. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

brianlux said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

The 'Great Pacific Garbage Patch': Wave after wave of garbage hits the Dominican Republic

https://windsorstar.com/news/world/the-great-pacific-garbage-patch-wave-after-wave-of-garbage-hits-the-dominican-republic/wcm/9eb67aaa-424e-4031-93e1-2326d1a93749

Terrible!  And then add to that all the little micro-plastics submerged just below the surface that small sea life feed on and disrupt the food chain. 

This is a good reminder to limit plastic use as much as possible and especially single-use plastics.  I attended a big double-birthday party the other day that had 75 guests with lots of catered food and ALL of the plates, cups and utensils were plastic.  That was disgusting enough but then on top of it,  people were dumping them in the trash.  We took several of the plastic items home to reuse.  Single use plastic is obscene.

And just think... all that waste and it comes from one teeny weeny little corner of the earth. Simultaneously, at countless other corners of the earth, the same is occurring... day after day after day.

It's depressing, but it's the reality. There's just no way we can sustain our current population and consumption habits. Humanity is doomed and doomsday is not that far away all things considered. I'm not deliberately trying to be a pessimist as much as I'm saying 'hold on to your hats'.

None of us on this message board (or our kids) will feel the discomfort brought about by our activities to this point in time, but there will be a generation that suffers greatly. 

What you're saying reminds me of Earth Overshoot Day which comes earlier each year.  This year it comes on August 1st and at that rate, very soon we will be using up the annual resources provided by the planet at about half way through the year.  The end result of that is obvious.

I'm almost 67 so I doubt I'll live to see the worst of the doomsday of which you speak but I don't know about kids living today.  But I truly am concerned that my 7 and 12 year old nieces may have to deal with the demise of society and all the ramifications of ecological breakdown, resource depletion and the chaos that will endue in their lifetime.  That's a heavy thought.

Yup.

I've got kids (21 and 17). I've encouraged them to not have kids. I've told them to enjoy their ride to the fullest and live their life in comfort and joy.

I've also told them that if they do have kids, that I would be the best grandfather they could ever hope for.

I believe you would be, Thirty.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

brianlux said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

brianlux said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

The 'Great Pacific Garbage Patch': Wave after wave of garbage hits the Dominican Republic

https://windsorstar.com/news/world/the-great-pacific-garbage-patch-wave-after-wave-of-garbage-hits-the-dominican-republic/wcm/9eb67aaa-424e-4031-93e1-2326d1a93749

Terrible!  And then add to that all the little micro-plastics submerged just below the surface that small sea life feed on and disrupt the food chain. 

This is a good reminder to limit plastic use as much as possible and especially single-use plastics.  I attended a big double-birthday party the other day that had 75 guests with lots of catered food and ALL of the plates, cups and utensils were plastic.  That was disgusting enough but then on top of it,  people were dumping them in the trash.  We took several of the plastic items home to reuse.  Single use plastic is obscene.

And just think... all that waste and it comes from one teeny weeny little corner of the earth. Simultaneously, at countless other corners of the earth, the same is occurring... day after day after day.

It's depressing, but it's the reality. There's just no way we can sustain our current population and consumption habits. Humanity is doomed and doomsday is not that far away all things considered. I'm not deliberately trying to be a pessimist as much as I'm saying 'hold on to your hats'.

None of us on this message board (or our kids) will feel the discomfort brought about by our activities to this point in time, but there will be a generation that suffers greatly. 

What you're saying reminds me of Earth Overshoot Day which comes earlier each year.  This year it comes on August 1st and at that rate, very soon we will be using up the annual resources provided by the planet at about half way through the year.  The end result of that is obvious.

I'm almost 67 so I doubt I'll live to see the worst of the doomsday of which you speak but I don't know about kids living today.  But I truly am concerned that my 7 and 12 year old nieces may have to deal with the demise of society and all the ramifications of ecological breakdown, resource depletion and the chaos that will endue in their lifetime.  That's a heavy thought.

Yup.

I've got kids (21 and 17). I've encouraged them to not have kids. I've told them to enjoy their ride to the fullest and live their life in comfort and joy.

I've also told them that if they do have kids, that I would be the best grandfather they could ever hope for.

I believe you would be, Thirty.

Thanks Buddy!

Seems like a good time to say it... I know we have had our issues in the past and I appreciate you looking beyond our differences and seeing whatever good you might see in me. I never liked those 'tenser' times and I like where we've come to.

Thank you, Thirty.  The feeling is mutual.