Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

my2hands said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

my2hands said:

flywallyfly said:

jerparker20 said:

flywallyfly said:

dignin said:

flywallyfly said:

MAGA

Exactly, we need to go back to when women and minorities couldn't vote. When your wife stayed at home barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. When you could just dump your trash in the nearest river. When you could send the boy to go work in the coal mine to earn support the family. The good old days when america was great!

Not that far back, how about say, the 80's ? MAGA

The 80's really sucked ass for an awful lot of people. 

That was when wages began to stagnate, the "middle class" started to disappear, and the area we now call the Rust Belt started to get really rusty and then decay.  America has never really been great unless you are/were a wealthy (wealthy, not rich, there is a difference) white man.

OK, the 70's work for you? The 60's ? Let me guess, it has always sucked in this nation.. MSCGA (Make the Supreme Court Great Again)

Pretty obvious you're 100% white male

Hey what’s wrong with being a white guy?

Nothing, unless you have zero understanding of history and lack empathy for others. 

The obvious point is America was NEVER great... not the 60's or 70's, not now, not ever. Maybe one day, but that seems to be a very distant future right now

Don’t be so negative.  It’s not just America, it’s the world.  The world is an awful place, but it’s gotten amazingly better in just the last 50 years.  If everyone was as negative as you’re being right now there wouldn’t be many people who cared to live their lives at all.  Here’s a cool article that made me think about overpopulation and the world as a whole a bit more:

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Development/Max-Roser-three-facts-everyone-should-know

Stay positive, nothing gets achieved when you’re grumpy and negative.
dont fall into the “I’m a liberal so I’m mad at everything” bullshit.  You can have hopes and be positive regardless of political leanings.

It looks to me like Bill Gates is rather naive when it comes to population.  Let's look at the "facts":

Fact #1: Since 1960, child deaths have plummeted from 20 million a year to 6 million a year.

The natural mortality rate for humans is 40%.  I recently was told this by a science professor who teaches at a large, well known university on the east coast.  Now don't get me wrong, I'm not wishing anyone's child to die but the reality is, our wonderful medical advances have done little to stem over-population.

Fact #2: Since 1960, the fertility rate has fallen by half.

Gates says, "When the fertility rate is close to 2 children per woman, so that every couple is on average replaced by about two children, population growth is slow."   First of all, the key word here is "when".  It hasn't happened.  And secondly, since when does women having 2 children reduce population?  This is naive in the extreme.  Think about it.  A twenty five year old woman has two children.  When they turn twenty five, they have two children making 4 total.  The first mother is still alive.  Now we have a population of 7 (from one). When the 4 children have two children, that makes 8 new children and, at 75, the original mother is probably still alive- totally population, 12 to 13.  See what I mean?  Totally naive.

Fact #3: 137,000 people escaped extreme poverty every day between 1990 and 2015.

That's great!  OH, but wait.  That's 25 years.  How many people have been born into poverty in that amount of time.  Over 3 billion people live on less than $2.50 a day.  In the last 25 years, imagine how many people became trapped by poverty.  Far more than the mere 137,000 who escaped.

The world is getting better?  Wishful thinking.

Wow...those are startling facts.

jeffbr said:

In 18 Months, Abortion Will Be Illegal In 20 States

CNN's Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin Says:
I think sometimes we talk about the Supreme Court too much in abstractions, about dignity and who is qualified and who is not. Let's talk facts. Let's talk about what America is going to be like that's different. You are going to see 20 states pass laws banning abortion outright. Just banning abortion. Because they know that there are now going to be five votes on the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade. And abortion will be illegal in a significant part of the United States in 18 months. There is just no doubt about that. And that is why these seats matter so much because -- one of my favorite lines about the Supreme Court was by Justice Robert Jackson who served on the Court in the 1940s and '50s. He said "We are not final because we are infallible, but we are infallible only because we are final." Somebody has the last word and here it is the Supreme Court and Roe v. Wade is doomed. It is gone because Donald Trump won the election. And because he's going to have the chance to appoint two Supreme Court Justices.

I agree with Toobin. We're fucked. Gay rights, civil rights, reproductive rights, immigration, speech, etc... Thank goodness Ginsburg has no plans to retire until Drumpf is gone. I just hope her body can keep up with her mind.

brianlux said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

my2hands said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

my2hands said:

flywallyfly said:

jerparker20 said:

flywallyfly said:

dignin said:

flywallyfly said:

MAGA

Exactly, we need to go back to when women and minorities couldn't vote. When your wife stayed at home barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. When you could just dump your trash in the nearest river. When you could send the boy to go work in the coal mine to earn support the family. The good old days when america was great!

Not that far back, how about say, the 80's ? MAGA

The 80's really sucked ass for an awful lot of people. 

That was when wages began to stagnate, the "middle class" started to disappear, and the area we now call the Rust Belt started to get really rusty and then decay.  America has never really been great unless you are/were a wealthy (wealthy, not rich, there is a difference) white man.

OK, the 70's work for you? The 60's ? Let me guess, it has always sucked in this nation.. MSCGA (Make the Supreme Court Great Again)

Pretty obvious you're 100% white male

Hey what’s wrong with being a white guy?

Nothing, unless you have zero understanding of history and lack empathy for others. 

The obvious point is America was NEVER great... not the 60's or 70's, not now, not ever. Maybe one day, but that seems to be a very distant future right now

Don’t be so negative.  It’s not just America, it’s the world.  The world is an awful place, but it’s gotten amazingly better in just the last 50 years.  If everyone was as negative as you’re being right now there wouldn’t be many people who cared to live their lives at all.  Here’s a cool article that made me think about overpopulation and the world as a whole a bit more:

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Development/Max-Roser-three-facts-everyone-should-know

Stay positive, nothing gets achieved when you’re grumpy and negative.
dont fall into the “I’m a liberal so I’m mad at everything” bullshit.  You can have hopes and be positive regardless of political leanings.

It looks to me like Bill Gates is rather naive when it comes to population.  Let's look at the "facts":

Fact #1: Since 1960, child deaths have plummeted from 20 million a year to 6 million a year.

The natural mortality rate for humans is 40%.  I recently was told this by a science professor who teaches at a large, well known university on the east coast.  Now don't get me wrong, I'm not wishing anyone's child to die but the reality is, our wonderful medical advances have done little to stem over-population.

Fact #2: Since 1960, the fertility rate has fallen by half.

Gates says, "When the fertility rate is close to 2 children per woman, so that every couple is on average replaced by about two children, population growth is slow."   First of all, the key word here is "when".  It hasn't happened.  And secondly, since when does women having 2 children reduce population?  This is naive in the extreme.  Think about it.  A twenty five year old woman has two children.  When they turn twenty five, they have two children making 4 total.  The first mother is still alive.  Now we have a population of 7 (from one). When the 4 children have two children, that makes 8 new children and, at 75, the original mother is probably still alive- totally population, 12 to 13.  See what I mean?  Totally naive.

Fact #3: 137,000 people escaped extreme poverty every day between 1990 and 2015.

That's great!  OH, but wait.  That's 25 years.  How many people have been born into poverty in that amount of time.  Over 3 billion people live on less than $2.50 a day.  In the last 25 years, imagine how many people became trapped by poverty.  Far more than the mere 137,000 who escaped.

The world is getting better?  Wishful thinking.

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

my2hands said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

my2hands said:

flywallyfly said:

jerparker20 said:

flywallyfly said:

dignin said:

flywallyfly said:

MAGA

Exactly, we need to go back to when women and minorities couldn't vote. When your wife stayed at home barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. When you could just dump your trash in the nearest river. When you could send the boy to go work in the coal mine to earn support the family. The good old days when america was great!

Not that far back, how about say, the 80's ? MAGA

The 80's really sucked ass for an awful lot of people. 

That was when wages began to stagnate, the "middle class" started to disappear, and the area we now call the Rust Belt started to get really rusty and then decay.  America has never really been great unless you are/were a wealthy (wealthy, not rich, there is a difference) white man.

OK, the 70's work for you? The 60's ? Let me guess, it has always sucked in this nation.. MSCGA (Make the Supreme Court Great Again)

Pretty obvious you're 100% white male

Hey what’s wrong with being a white guy?

Nothing, unless you have zero understanding of history and lack empathy for others. 

The obvious point is America was NEVER great... not the 60's or 70's, not now, not ever. Maybe one day, but that seems to be a very distant future right now

Don’t be so negative.  It’s not just America, it’s the world.  The world is an awful place, but it’s gotten amazingly better in just the last 50 years.  If everyone was as negative as you’re being right now there wouldn’t be many people who cared to live their lives at all.  Here’s a cool article that made me think about overpopulation and the world as a whole a bit more:

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Development/Max-Roser-three-facts-everyone-should-know

Stay positive, nothing gets achieved when you’re grumpy and negative.
dont fall into the “I’m a liberal so I’m mad at everything” bullshit.  You can have hopes and be positive regardless of political leanings.

It looks to me like Bill Gates is rather naive when it comes to population.  Let's look at the "facts":

Fact #1: Since 1960, child deaths have plummeted from 20 million a year to 6 million a year.

The natural mortality rate for humans is 40%.  I recently was told this by a science professor who teaches at a large, well known university on the east coast.  Now don't get me wrong, I'm not wishing anyone's child to die but the reality is, our wonderful medical advances have done little to stem over-population.

Fact #2: Since 1960, the fertility rate has fallen by half.

Gates says, "When the fertility rate is close to 2 children per woman, so that every couple is on average replaced by about two children, population growth is slow."   First of all, the key word here is "when".  It hasn't happened.  And secondly, since when does women having 2 children reduce population?  This is naive in the extreme.  Think about it.  A twenty five year old woman has two children.  When they turn twenty five, they have two children making 4 total.  The first mother is still alive.  Now we have a population of 7 (from one). When the 4 children have two children, that makes 8 new children and, at 75, the original mother is probably still alive- totally population, 12 to 13.  See what I mean?  Totally naive.

Fact #3: 137,000 people escaped extreme poverty every day between 1990 and 2015.

That's great!  OH, but wait.  That's 25 years.  How many people have been born into poverty in that amount of time.  Over 3 billion people live on less than $2.50 a day.  In the last 25 years, imagine how many people became trapped by poverty.  Far more than the mere 137,000 who escaped.

The world is getting better?  Wishful thinking.

Not that I care a lot about what Bill Gates says, but I  would agree with fact #2.
Having 2 children doesn’t reduce population, but makes the growth stale.
Assuming that every woman is a couple of 2 people (the analogy says from 1, but it’s really 2 people. Never heard of 1 woman reproducing by herself) if they are replaced by 2 children it balances out. The math discussion that attempts to disprove that also completely ignores older generations. When she is 25 then we can assume her great-grandparents have died, of which there are a total of 16. By 50 the grandparents and 75 the parents.  So that breakdown of parent, grandparent, etc will cancel out

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

every set of parents will eventually die off. they all cancel each other out. it is just a matter of time. it doesn't matter that in a 100 year span they multiply, eventually it will even. the only way it's not even is if they have more or less than 2. we only had 2. so i'm Even Freaking Steven. 

I don't think you're factoring in that the generations overlap.  If the average life span were the same as the age at which people reproduce, and no one died of unnatural cause, that is the only way the number would stay the same.

But I don't know how to precisely explain this. Dammit, where's a mathematician when we need one!

unsung said:

fife said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

KC138045 said:

fife said:

brianlux said:

Now as for the SCOTUS issue, yes, we are royally fucked.  Yes, this country has royally fucking reamed itself into the ground.  R.I.P America (for now).

To be honest, you should take the (for now) out cause you are going to be fucked for a very very long time.  say bye to abortion in many states, say bye to gay marriage in many states, you want money taken out of politics?  sorry not going to happen. 

America is beyond fucked.

I may be wrong or just naive but I don't set this happening.  I really hope not anyways.

oh, that is exactly their plan. you can bet on it. 

This seems like such a trivial thing to want to overturn.  The conservative goal is to overturn Roe vs Wade?

  Conservatives have been begging for this for decades.  its a part of their cultural war

Are they racist or begging for abortion to end?

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

every set of parents will eventually die off. they all cancel each other out. it is just a matter of time. it doesn't matter that in a 100 year span they multiply, eventually it will even. the only way it's not even is if they have more or less than 2. we only had 2. so i'm Even Freaking Steven. 

I don't think you're factoring in that the generations overlap.  If the average life span were the same as the age at which people reproduce, and no one died of unnatural cause, that is the only way the number would stay the same.

But I don't know how to precisely explain this. Dammit, where's a mathematician when we need one!