Justice Kennedy Retiring

my2hands said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

my2hands said:

flywallyfly said:

jerparker20 said:

flywallyfly said:

dignin said:

flywallyfly said:

MAGA

Exactly, we need to go back to when women and minorities couldn't vote. When your wife stayed at home barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. When you could just dump your trash in the nearest river. When you could send the boy to go work in the coal mine to earn support the family. The good old days when america was great!

Not that far back, how about say, the 80's ? MAGA

The 80's really sucked ass for an awful lot of people. 

That was when wages began to stagnate, the "middle class" started to disappear, and the area we now call the Rust Belt started to get really rusty and then decay.  America has never really been great unless you are/were a wealthy (wealthy, not rich, there is a difference) white man.

OK, the 70's work for you? The 60's ? Let me guess, it has always sucked in this nation.. MSCGA (Make the Supreme Court Great Again)

Pretty obvious you're 100% white male

Hey what’s wrong with being a white guy?

Nothing, unless you have zero understanding of history and lack empathy for others. 

The obvious point is America was NEVER great... not the 60's or 70's, not now, not ever. Maybe one day, but that seems to be a very distant future right now

Many Republicans, especially older ones have this nostalgic urge for the US to go back in time.  A lot of things WERE better back then, I am sure, but society, technology, and the geopolitical landscape is 100x exponentially more complex now.  There is no going back to the times where a whole town would work at the same factory making a good wage, everyone went to the same church on Sunday, kids played outside all day, you can leave your doors unlocked and apple pies cooling on the window sill, the family gathered for breakfast and dinner and would watch the news and whatever show was on the television set.  There is a lot to like about 2018 too... but many older people probably feel left out, or left behind in the world of smartphones, social media, and seeing brown people when they go to the grocery store, or seeing a sikh community center being built in their city.  

That quaint existence is not coming back unless we literally build a bubble around the country and roll back technology 40 years. The 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s werent about resisting change.  The USA progressed into the World's prominent superpower by taking the lead and staying at the forefront of a changing world.  The choice is either to integrate, adapt, and progress into modern technology, science, culture, diversity, etc.... or reject it all and set us all back.  Which direction are we going in I wonder?  

This is the whole premise of "Make America Great Again".  This romance to roll everything back to the 'good old days' (which are never coming back)  

PJ_Soul said:

jerparker20 said:

MayDay10 said:

its rough.... but all the dummies that stayed home or voted for a hopeless third party need to fuck themselves.

+10000
Especially the Bernie Bros the ultra-liberal crowd who just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Clinton, because...???  

I was NOT a fan of Clinton at all, but I voted for her for this exact reason.  Unfortunately, Trump may seat at least one more SC judge before 2020 gets here.

I totally agree with this, and also pretty much feel the same about those people who did vote, but for anyone but Trump and anyone but Clinton because they hated her that much, because...??? Those people 100% knew what was at stake and that a strategic vote against Trump was needed, but somehow their precious so-called consciences were more important than the future of their country and all the people who have been and will be fucked over by Trump's government and Trump's Supreme Court.

it depends on the level of knowledge that trump voters had going in, re: all the possible ramifications. honestly, until now, I didn't know pretty much anything about the supreme court, who was on it, who was going to be leaving, etc. So if you were a trump voter and unaware of some of these eventualities, you can't say they 100% knew what was at stake. there's a lot of people that are ignorant of the process and/or apathetic as to the consequences and still vote based on the candidate and their limited view of that role. 

I can't say I expect every voter to know every little nuance of possibility of the next 4 years. 

dankind said:

lol

KC138045 said:

fife said:

brianlux said:

Now as for the SCOTUS issue, yes, we are royally fucked.  Yes, this country has royally fucking reamed itself into the ground.  R.I.P America (for now).

To be honest, you should take the (for now) out cause you are going to be fucked for a very very long time.  say bye to abortion in many states, say bye to gay marriage in many states, you want money taken out of politics?  sorry not going to happen. 

America is beyond fucked.

I may be wrong or just naive but I don't set this happening.  I really hope not anyways.

oh, that is exactly their plan. you can bet on it. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

KC138045 said:

fife said:

brianlux said:

Now as for the SCOTUS issue, yes, we are royally fucked.  Yes, this country has royally fucking reamed itself into the ground.  R.I.P America (for now).

To be honest, you should take the (for now) out cause you are going to be fucked for a very very long time.  say bye to abortion in many states, say bye to gay marriage in many states, you want money taken out of politics?  sorry not going to happen. 

America is beyond fucked.

I may be wrong or just naive but I don't set this happening.  I really hope not anyways.

oh, that is exactly their plan. you can bet on it. 

This seems like such a trivial thing to want to overturn.  The conservative goal is to overturn Roe vs Wade?

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

jerparker20 said:

MayDay10 said:

its rough.... but all the dummies that stayed home or voted for a hopeless third party need to fuck themselves.

+10000
Especially the Bernie Bros the ultra-liberal crowd who just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Clinton, because...???  

I was NOT a fan of Clinton at all, but I voted for her for this exact reason.  Unfortunately, Trump may seat at least one more SC judge before 2020 gets here.

I totally agree with this, and also pretty much feel the same about those people who did vote, but for anyone but Trump and anyone but Clinton because they hated her that much, because...??? Those people 100% knew what was at stake and that a strategic vote against Trump was needed, but somehow their precious so-called consciences were more important than the future of their country and all the people who have been and will be fucked over by Trump's government and Trump's Supreme Court.

it depends on the level of knowledge that trump voters had going in, re: all the possible ramifications. honestly, until now, I didn't know pretty much anything about the supreme court, who was on it, who was going to be leaving, etc. So if you were a trump voter and unaware of some of these eventualities, you can't say they 100% knew what was at stake. there's a lot of people that are ignorant of the process and/or apathetic as to the consequences and still vote based on the candidate and their limited view of that role. 

I can't say I expect every voter to know every little nuance of possibility of the next 4 years. 

The SCOTUS issue was probably the main reason I voted against Hillary.  It was a hot topic at the end of Obama’s term.  
Time for Ruth to go now!

What is she, 85 or so now?  I saw her speak at my wife’s law school back in Boston in like ‘07.  She was pretty cool.  

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

jerparker20 said:

MayDay10 said:

its rough.... but all the dummies that stayed home or voted for a hopeless third party need to fuck themselves.

+10000
Especially the Bernie Bros the ultra-liberal crowd who just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Clinton, because...???  

I was NOT a fan of Clinton at all, but I voted for her for this exact reason.  Unfortunately, Trump may seat at least one more SC judge before 2020 gets here.

I totally agree with this, and also pretty much feel the same about those people who did vote, but for anyone but Trump and anyone but Clinton because they hated her that much, because...??? Those people 100% knew what was at stake and that a strategic vote against Trump was needed, but somehow their precious so-called consciences were more important than the future of their country and all the people who have been and will be fucked over by Trump's government and Trump's Supreme Court.

it depends on the level of knowledge that trump voters had going in, re: all the possible ramifications. honestly, until now, I didn't know pretty much anything about the supreme court, who was on it, who was going to be leaving, etc. So if you were a trump voter and unaware of some of these eventualities, you can't say they 100% knew what was at stake. there's a lot of people that are ignorant of the process and/or apathetic as to the consequences and still vote based on the candidate and their limited view of that role. 

I can't say I expect every voter to know every little nuance of possibility of the next 4 years. 

The SCOTUS issue was probably the main reason I voted against Hillary.  It was a hot topic at the end of Obama’s term.  
Time for Ruth to go now!

What specific issues were you concerned with?

I figured that Hillary would most likely choose a very liberal leaning judge for Scalia’s seat...plain and simple.  

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

KC138045 said:

fife said:

brianlux said:

Now as for the SCOTUS issue, yes, we are royally fucked.  Yes, this country has royally fucking reamed itself into the ground.  R.I.P America (for now).

To be honest, you should take the (for now) out cause you are going to be fucked for a very very long time.  say bye to abortion in many states, say bye to gay marriage in many states, you want money taken out of politics?  sorry not going to happen. 

America is beyond fucked.

I may be wrong or just naive but I don't set this happening.  I really hope not anyways.

oh, that is exactly their plan. you can bet on it. 

This seems like such a trivial thing to want to overturn.  The conservative goal is to overturn Roe vs Wade?

  Conservatives have been begging for this for decades.  its a part of their cultural war

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

jerparker20 said:

MayDay10 said:

its rough.... but all the dummies that stayed home or voted for a hopeless third party need to fuck themselves.

+10000
Especially the Bernie Bros the ultra-liberal crowd who just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Clinton, because...???  

I was NOT a fan of Clinton at all, but I voted for her for this exact reason.  Unfortunately, Trump may seat at least one more SC judge before 2020 gets here.

I totally agree with this, and also pretty much feel the same about those people who did vote, but for anyone but Trump and anyone but Clinton because they hated her that much, because...??? Those people 100% knew what was at stake and that a strategic vote against Trump was needed, but somehow their precious so-called consciences were more important than the future of their country and all the people who have been and will be fucked over by Trump's government and Trump's Supreme Court.

it depends on the level of knowledge that trump voters had going in, re: all the possible ramifications. honestly, until now, I didn't know pretty much anything about the supreme court, who was on it, who was going to be leaving, etc. So if you were a trump voter and unaware of some of these eventualities, you can't say they 100% knew what was at stake. there's a lot of people that are ignorant of the process and/or apathetic as to the consequences and still vote based on the candidate and their limited view of that role. 

I can't say I expect every voter to know every little nuance of possibility of the next 4 years. 

The SCOTUS issue was probably the main reason I voted against Hillary.  It was a hot topic at the end of Obama’s term.  
Time for Ruth to go now!

What specific issues were you concerned with?

I figured that Hillary would most likely choose a very liberal leaning judge for Scalia’s seat...plain and simple.  

And what were you worried such a judge would result in? I think that's what my2hands is wondering. Same here. If I had to guess about anyone saying what you said here, I'd guess that you want Roe v. Wade overturned, and for gay marriage legalization to be overturned. Obviously a more liberal SCOTUS would not be removing the 2nd Amendment like Trump is lying about, so I have to assume that wasn't your concern.

I’m pretty sure it is evident that I lean conservative when voting.  I do not think Roe vs. Wade or gay marriage will get overturned.  I’m not going to get into my feelings about rights of unborn babies, gun control or immigration, there are plenty of other threads here.  You obviously think a heavily liberal sided Supreme Court would be a good idea, right?  Why is that?