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You mentioned CNN only spews their hate for orange Baffoon if this president did anything honorable or good , can you tell me what those things are has he done anything that’s considered humane or good for the world to look up too for the life of me I can’t find anything that remotely shows that except yesterday when he had the parents of people killed by the immigrants he so despises ..LongestRoad said:
It's all a matter of opinion. Neither should be called news station. The majority is opinions on their political stance on those two in particular. it doesn't stop just at those two though. You have to weed out a lot to get to some topics other than political views.oftenreading said:
Well, that flies in the face of the researched and documented differences in presentation of true statements between Fox and CNN. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Fox does not come out ahead.LongestRoad said:
I already talked about this the other day. They should be called Fox Opinion and CNN Opinion. Although from watching many different news stations, I would say Fox has an edge over CNN only for some actual real news thrown in. CNN only discusses their complete dislike for the President pretty much 24 hours a day. You barely see any other news on that station anymore.Spiritual_Chaos said:
So what do you think of Fox News?LongestRoad said:
You have to disregard statistics, logic and facts for their view.mace1229 said:I see a lot disputing the crim rates of illegals. When looking for myself it seemed most resources tried to say the same thing, but did so by completing ignoring the population difference.
Of what I read those sources don’t factor in the difference of populations. If 5% of the populations commits 10% of the crime, you can’t claim they commit less crime.
Hell he didn’t even show any compassion when the Charlottesville woman got run over and she was an American!jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Both by our government and by their parents. Don't forget media ratings and political sides.unsung said:
Don't blame me, blame the parents. I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.mrussel1 said:
So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject? You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt. Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?unsung said:Again, I assign the blame on the parents. The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.
My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.Post edited by LongestRoad on0 -
While it's true that the Democrats are exploiting the situation for political gain, it's not their zero tolerance policy that created the situation to be exploited. That's a pretty fundamental difference.LongestRoad said:
Both by our government and by their parents. Don't forget media ratings and political sides.unsung said:
Don't blame me, blame the parents. I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.mrussel1 said:
So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject? You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt. Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?unsung said:Again, I assign the blame on the parents. The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.
My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.0 -
Exactly!! This keeps getting overlooked. These people are fleeing horrible situations. Taking their kids with them is often the best option they have. I don't understand why this point keeps getting overlooked by some.oftenreading said:
Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?unsung said:
Don't blame me, blame the parents. I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.mrussel1 said:
So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject? You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt. Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?unsung said:Again, I assign the blame on the parents. The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.
My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Similar to the roll out of the travel ban, the zero tolerance policy (along with the subsequent EO) were ill thought out, not planned, not communicated well to agencies, and not assessed for 2nd, 3rd order effects. Both of these were the brain child of Stephen Miller who has unilateral control of immigration policy, due to an internal WH bargain between advisers. He's a neophyte who has shown himself to be an awful, awful government adviser. It's what happens when you put children and adults that act like children, in important jobs.0
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So you admit this is a better option? We should just send our military in and clear out all the corruption and gangs running those counties and bring all the manufacturing and jobs back to our country so the immigrants coming here can get employment at a decent wage. No paying less to immigrants which drives down employment for people that are already here. That in itself should be a crime.oftenreading said:
Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?unsung said:
Don't blame me, blame the parents. I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.mrussel1 said:
So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject? You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt. Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?unsung said:Again, I assign the blame on the parents. The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.
My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.0 -
NO! Don't interfere in the free market. What we are experiencing in the last 20 years is akin to the Industrial Revolution. It leaves some people behind. The mistake of NAFTA was not the policy, it was the gov't failure to plan and invest in education for the workforce that would naturally be left behind (you know...Trump voters).LongestRoad said:
So you admit this is a better option? We should just send our military in and clear out all the corruption and gangs running those counties and bring all the manufacturing and jobs back to our country so the immigrants coming here can get employment at a decent wage. No paying less to immigrants which drives down employment for people that are already here. That in itself should be a crime.oftenreading said:
Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?unsung said:
Don't blame me, blame the parents. I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.mrussel1 said:
So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject? You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt. Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?unsung said:Again, I assign the blame on the parents. The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.
My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.0 -
Claiming asylum is generally seen as a better option than death, yes. I’m not sure why that would be a surprise.LongestRoad said:
So you admit this is a better option? We should just send our military in and clear out all the corruption and gangs running those counties and bring all the manufacturing and jobs back to our country so the immigrants coming here can get employment at a decent wage. No paying less to immigrants which drives down employment for people that are already here. That in itself should be a crime.oftenreading said:
Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?unsung said:
Don't blame me, blame the parents. I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.mrussel1 said:
So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject? You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt. Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?unsung said:Again, I assign the blame on the parents. The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.
My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.
And like I said earlier, the USA has such a wonderful track record of cleaning up messes in other counties... What could possibly go wrong there?my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
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Do you factor in that the violence exists because our border is not secure?oftenreading said:
Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?unsung said:
Don't blame me, blame the parents. I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.mrussel1 said:
So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject? You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt. Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?unsung said:Again, I assign the blame on the parents. The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.
My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.0 -
Hey slow down there, Stalin.LongestRoad said:
So you admit this is a better option? We should just send our military in and clear out all the corruption and gangs running those counties and bring all the manufacturing and jobs back to our country so the immigrants coming here can get employment at a decent wage. No paying less to immigrants which drives down employment for people that are already here. That in itself should be a crime.oftenreading said:
Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?unsung said:
Don't blame me, blame the parents. I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.mrussel1 said:
So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject? You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt. Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?unsung said:Again, I assign the blame on the parents. The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.
My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
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I disagree with a military option.LongestRoad said:
So you admit this is a better option? We should just send our military in and clear out all the corruption and gangs running those counties and bring all the manufacturing and jobs back to our country so the immigrants coming here can get employment at a decent wage. No paying less to immigrants which drives down employment for people that are already here. That in itself should be a crime.oftenreading said:
Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?unsung said:
Don't blame me, blame the parents. I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.mrussel1 said:
So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject? You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt. Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?unsung said:Again, I assign the blame on the parents. The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.
My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.
End the war on drugs.
Properly secure the border.
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Thanks for clarifying.oftenreading said:Sorry - to clarify my comment above, because I wrote it too quickly - whenever undocumented immigrants are taken into custody due to their immigration status, it’s considered a federal incarceration, which means that even if it’s only briefly, it’s counted Also, by no means was it always brief, even before this current issue.
so federal detainment counts as a figure in federal prison?
I did not know that if that’s what you’re saying.0 -
Yes, it does. Skews the figures significantly.mace1229 said:
Thanks for clarifying.oftenreading said:Sorry - to clarify my comment above, because I wrote it too quickly - whenever undocumented immigrants are taken into custody due to their immigration status, it’s considered a federal incarceration, which means that even if it’s only briefly, it’s counted Also, by no means was it always brief, even before this current issue.
so federal detainment counts as a figure in federal prison?
I did not know that if that’s what you’re saying.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I disagree that the violence in those countries stems from the state of the American border, or that it would be fixed by a more “secure” borderunsung said:
Do you factor in that the violence exists because our border is not secure?oftenreading said:
Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?unsung said:
Don't blame me, blame the parents. I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.mrussel1 said:
So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject? You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt. Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?unsung said:Again, I assign the blame on the parents. The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.
My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Well the ISIS mess seems less of a threat since we started letting our military run our military. No more lets tell our enemy where we're going to be because that's only fair!?!?!? Are you kidding me that was some f'd up logic. Don't think the people that were being persecuted in the middle east aren't gratteful for having our military over there. They don't want to go through what they went through during the previos administration. Hopefully one day our military can leave there after those countries put in safeguards to make sure that the extremists can never get that much power again. They need to elect some of those badass women that were over there fighting the enemy while the coward men from those countries left them and the children behind to flee with thier balls tucked up their asses.oftenreading said:
Claiming asylum is generally seen as a better option than death, yes. I’m not sure why that would be a surprise.LongestRoad said:
So you admit this is a better option? We should just send our military in and clear out all the corruption and gangs running those counties and bring all the manufacturing and jobs back to our country so the immigrants coming here can get employment at a decent wage. No paying less to immigrants which drives down employment for people that are already here. That in itself should be a crime.oftenreading said:
Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?unsung said:
Don't blame me, blame the parents. I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.mrussel1 said:
So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject? You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt. Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?unsung said:Again, I assign the blame on the parents. The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.
My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.
And like I said earlier, the USA has such a wonderful track record of cleaning up messes in other counties... What could possibly go wrong there?0 -
Tell us, what major changes did Trump make to the military approach regarding ISIS? Most defence experts say that he has generally just continued the approach started by Obama, with minor tweaks, and that the majority of the gains had already started under Obama’s administration. Continuation of the same approach brought some further gains, but no one but Trump claims that he changed the game there.LongestRoad said:
Well the ISIS mess seems less of a threat since we started letting our military run our military. No more lets tell our enemy where we're going to be because that's only fair!?!?!? Are you kidding me that was some f'd up logic. Don't think the people that were being persecuted in the middle east aren't gratteful for having our military over there. They don't want to go through what they went through during the previos administration. Hopefully one day our military can leave there after those countries put in safeguards to make sure that the extremists can never get that much power again. They need to elect some of those badass women that were over there fighting the enemy while the coward men from those countries left them and the children behind to flee with thier balls tucked up their asses.oftenreading said:
Claiming asylum is generally seen as a better option than death, yes. I’m not sure why that would be a surprise.LongestRoad said:
So you admit this is a better option? We should just send our military in and clear out all the corruption and gangs running those counties and bring all the manufacturing and jobs back to our country so the immigrants coming here can get employment at a decent wage. No paying less to immigrants which drives down employment for people that are already here. That in itself should be a crime.oftenreading said:
Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?unsung said:
Don't blame me, blame the parents. I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.mrussel1 said:
So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject? You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt. Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?unsung said:Again, I assign the blame on the parents. The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.
My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.
And like I said earlier, the USA has such a wonderful track record of cleaning up messes in other counties... What could possibly go wrong there?
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Team Trump Treason is smarter than all his generals and is a brilliant war strategist, learned in the Art of War. Didn’t you know that?oftenreading said:
Tell us, what major changes did Trump make to the military approach regarding ISIS? Most defence experts say that he has generally just continued the approach started by Obama, with minor tweaks, and that the majority of the gains had already started under Obama’s administration. Continuation of the same approach brought some further gains, but no one but Trump claims that he changed the game there.LongestRoad said:
Well the ISIS mess seems less of a threat since we started letting our military run our military. No more lets tell our enemy where we're going to be because that's only fair!?!?!? Are you kidding me that was some f'd up logic. Don't think the people that were being persecuted in the middle east aren't gratteful for having our military over there. They don't want to go through what they went through during the previos administration. Hopefully one day our military can leave there after those countries put in safeguards to make sure that the extremists can never get that much power again. They need to elect some of those badass women that were over there fighting the enemy while the coward men from those countries left them and the children behind to flee with thier balls tucked up their asses.oftenreading said:
Claiming asylum is generally seen as a better option than death, yes. I’m not sure why that would be a surprise.LongestRoad said:
So you admit this is a better option? We should just send our military in and clear out all the corruption and gangs running those counties and bring all the manufacturing and jobs back to our country so the immigrants coming here can get employment at a decent wage. No paying less to immigrants which drives down employment for people that are already here. That in itself should be a crime.oftenreading said:
Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?unsung said:
Don't blame me, blame the parents. I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.mrussel1 said:
So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject? You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt. Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?unsung said:Again, I assign the blame on the parents. The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.
My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.
And like I said earlier, the USA has such a wonderful track record of cleaning up messes in other counties... What could possibly go wrong there?
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Halifax2TheMax said:
Team Trump Treason is smarter than all his generals and is a brilliant war strategist, learned in the Art of War. Didn’t you know that?oftenreading said:
Tell us, what major changes did Trump make to the military approach regarding ISIS? Most defence experts say that he has generally just continued the approach started by Obama, with minor tweaks, and that the majority of the gains had already started under Obama’s administration. Continuation of the same approach brought some further gains, but no one but Trump claims that he changed the game there.LongestRoad said:
Well the ISIS mess seems less of a threat since we started letting our military run our military. No more lets tell our enemy where we're going to be because that's only fair!?!?!? Are you kidding me that was some f'd up logic. Don't think the people that were being persecuted in the middle east aren't gratteful for having our military over there. They don't want to go through what they went through during the previos administration. Hopefully one day our military can leave there after those countries put in safeguards to make sure that the extremists can never get that much power again. They need to elect some of those badass women that were over there fighting the enemy while the coward men from those countries left them and the children behind to flee with thier balls tucked up their asses.oftenreading said:
Claiming asylum is generally seen as a better option than death, yes. I’m not sure why that would be a surprise.LongestRoad said:
So you admit this is a better option? We should just send our military in and clear out all the corruption and gangs running those counties and bring all the manufacturing and jobs back to our country so the immigrants coming here can get employment at a decent wage. No paying less to immigrants which drives down employment for people that are already here. That in itself should be a crime.oftenreading said:
Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?unsung said:
Don't blame me, blame the parents. I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.mrussel1 said:
So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject? You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt. Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?unsung said:Again, I assign the blame on the parents. The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.
My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.
And like I said earlier, the USA has such a wonderful track record of cleaning up messes in other counties... What could possibly go wrong there?
Why, it wouldn't surprise me if Trump one ups Sun Tzu with his own fine book of strategy, How to Win at Go Fish, by Donald Trump"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
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Then you don't understand the problem.oftenreading said:
I disagree that the violence in those countries stems from the state of the American border, or that it would be fixed by a more “secure” borderunsung said:
Do you factor in that the violence exists because our border is not secure?oftenreading said:
Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?unsung said:
Don't blame me, blame the parents. I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.mrussel1 said:
So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject? You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt. Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?unsung said:Again, I assign the blame on the parents. The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.
My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.0 -
So.. control of the border will create peace in Central America? You think the SW border is the only way drugs can get into the US?unsung said:
Then you don't understand the problem.oftenreading said:
I disagree that the violence in those countries stems from the state of the American border, or that it would be fixed by a more “secure” borderunsung said:
Do you factor in that the violence exists because our border is not secure?oftenreading said:
Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?unsung said:
Don't blame me, blame the parents. I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.mrussel1 said:
So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject? You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt. Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?unsung said:Again, I assign the blame on the parents. The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.
My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.0
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