14 years and counting...

oftenreading

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

mrussel1 said:

unsung said:

Again, I assign the blame on the parents.  The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.  

So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject?  You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt.  Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?

Don't blame me, blame the parents.  I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.

My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.  

Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?

Do you factor in that the violence exists because our border is not secure?

I disagree that the violence in those countries stems from the state of the American border, or that it would be fixed by a more “secure” border 

Then you don't understand the problem.

You live in a fantasy of a world that never existed. 

unsung

mrussel1 said:

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

mrussel1 said:

unsung said:

Again, I assign the blame on the parents.  The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.  

So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject?  You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt.  Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?

Don't blame me, blame the parents.  I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.

My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.  

Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?

Do you factor in that the violence exists because our border is not secure?

I disagree that the violence in those countries stems from the state of the American border, or that it would be fixed by a more “secure” border 

Then you don't understand the problem.

So.. control of the border will create peace in Central America?  You think the SW border is the only way drugs can get into the US?

No, but it would be a huge start.

Spiritual_Chaos

unsung said:

mrussel1 said:

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

mrussel1 said:

unsung said:

Again, I assign the blame on the parents.  The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.  

So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject?  You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt.  Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?

Don't blame me, blame the parents.  I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.

My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.  

Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?

Do you factor in that the violence exists because our border is not secure?

I disagree that the violence in those countries stems from the state of the American border, or that it would be fixed by a more “secure” border 

Then you don't understand the problem.

So.. control of the border will create peace in Central America?  You think the SW border is the only way drugs can get into the US?

No, but it would be a huge start.

unsung

A marked improvement for sure.

mrussel1

unsung said:

A marked improvement for sure.

That seems love rock solid evidence right there.  I was waivering until you dropped the unassailable phrase "for sure". 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mrussel1 said:

unsung said:

A marked improvement for sure.

That seems love rock solid evidence right there.  I was waivering until you dropped the unassailable phrase "for sure". 

Lol

Halifax2TheMax

Welcome to fascist America.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/23/us/maine-new-hampshire-border-patrol-checkpoints/index.html

Show me zee papers!

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

Welcome to fascist America.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/23/us/maine-new-hampshire-border-patrol-checkpoints/index.html

Show me zee papers!

Your papers..... do not appear to be in order...

LongestRoad

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

mrussel1 said:

unsung said:

Again, I assign the blame on the parents.  The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.  

So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject?  You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt.  Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?

Don't blame me, blame the parents.  I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.

My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.  

Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?

So you admit this is a better option? We should just send our military in and clear out all the corruption and gangs running those counties and bring all the manufacturing and jobs back to our country so the immigrants coming here can get employment at a decent wage. No paying less to immigrants which drives down employment for people that are already here. That in itself should be a crime. 

Claiming asylum is generally seen as a better option than death, yes. I’m not sure why that would be a surprise. 

And like I said earlier, the USA has such a wonderful track record of cleaning up messes in other counties...  What could possibly go wrong there?

Well the ISIS mess seems less of a threat since we started letting our military run our military. No more lets tell our enemy where we're going to be because that's only fair!?!?!? Are you kidding me that was some f'd up logic. Don't think the people that were being persecuted in the middle east aren't gratteful for having our military over there. They don't want to go through what they went through during the previos administration. Hopefully one day our military can leave there after those countries put in safeguards to make sure that the extremists can never get that much power again. They need to elect some of those badass women that were over there fighting the enemy while the coward men from those countries left them and the children behind to flee with thier balls tucked up their asses. 

Tell us, what major changes did Trump make to the military approach regarding ISIS? Most defence experts say that he has generally just continued the approach started by Obama, with minor tweaks, and that the majority of the gains had already started under Obama’s administration. Continuation of the same approach brought some further gains, but no one but Trump claims that he changed the game there. 
 

Trump gave more control to the military. I find it funny that yes Obama did make changes to rules of engagement that didn't take place until his very last month in office. I wonder whyafter all the casualties that it caused for our troops why did he suddenly change the rules of engagement at the  very end of his term? You know why, because he knew it was going to get changed. The rules and budget cuts during the Obama administration caused so many negative issues for our military and the people who were being persecuted in those countries that we were supposed to be helping. 

Halifax2TheMax

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

mrussel1 said:

unsung said:

Again, I assign the blame on the parents.  The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.  

So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject?  You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt.  Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?

Don't blame me, blame the parents.  I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.

My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.  

Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?

So you admit this is a better option? We should just send our military in and clear out all the corruption and gangs running those counties and bring all the manufacturing and jobs back to our country so the immigrants coming here can get employment at a decent wage. No paying less to immigrants which drives down employment for people that are already here. That in itself should be a crime. 

Claiming asylum is generally seen as a better option than death, yes. I’m not sure why that would be a surprise. 

And like I said earlier, the USA has such a wonderful track record of cleaning up messes in other counties...  What could possibly go wrong there?

Well the ISIS mess seems less of a threat since we started letting our military run our military. No more lets tell our enemy where we're going to be because that's only fair!?!?!? Are you kidding me that was some f'd up logic. Don't think the people that were being persecuted in the middle east aren't gratteful for having our military over there. They don't want to go through what they went through during the previos administration. Hopefully one day our military can leave there after those countries put in safeguards to make sure that the extremists can never get that much power again. They need to elect some of those badass women that were over there fighting the enemy while the coward men from those countries left them and the children behind to flee with thier balls tucked up their asses. 

Tell us, what major changes did Trump make to the military approach regarding ISIS? Most defence experts say that he has generally just continued the approach started by Obama, with minor tweaks, and that the majority of the gains had already started under Obama’s administration. Continuation of the same approach brought some further gains, but no one but Trump claims that he changed the game there. 
 

Trump gave more control to the military. I find it funny that yes Obama did make changes to rules of engagement that didn't take place until his very last month in office. I wonder whyafter all the casualties that it caused for our troops why did he suddenly change the rules of engagement at the  very end of his term? You know why, because he knew it was going to get changed. The rules and budget cuts during the Obama administration caused so many negative issues for our military and the people who were being persecuted in those countries that we were supposed to be helping. 

Care to back any of those claims with links to reputable sources?
 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Halifax2TheMax said:

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

mrussel1 said:

unsung said:

Again, I assign the blame on the parents.  The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.  

So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject?  You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt.  Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?

Don't blame me, blame the parents.  I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.

My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.  

Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?

So you admit this is a better option? We should just send our military in and clear out all the corruption and gangs running those counties and bring all the manufacturing and jobs back to our country so the immigrants coming here can get employment at a decent wage. No paying less to immigrants which drives down employment for people that are already here. That in itself should be a crime. 

Claiming asylum is generally seen as a better option than death, yes. I’m not sure why that would be a surprise. 

And like I said earlier, the USA has such a wonderful track record of cleaning up messes in other counties...  What could possibly go wrong there?

Well the ISIS mess seems less of a threat since we started letting our military run our military. No more lets tell our enemy where we're going to be because that's only fair!?!?!? Are you kidding me that was some f'd up logic. Don't think the people that were being persecuted in the middle east aren't gratteful for having our military over there. They don't want to go through what they went through during the previos administration. Hopefully one day our military can leave there after those countries put in safeguards to make sure that the extremists can never get that much power again. They need to elect some of those badass women that were over there fighting the enemy while the coward men from those countries left them and the children behind to flee with thier balls tucked up their asses. 

Tell us, what major changes did Trump make to the military approach regarding ISIS? Most defence experts say that he has generally just continued the approach started by Obama, with minor tweaks, and that the majority of the gains had already started under Obama’s administration. Continuation of the same approach brought some further gains, but no one but Trump claims that he changed the game there. 
 

Trump gave more control to the military. I find it funny that yes Obama did make changes to rules of engagement that didn't take place until his very last month in office. I wonder whyafter all the casualties that it caused for our troops why did he suddenly change the rules of engagement at the  very end of his term? You know why, because he knew it was going to get changed. The rules and budget cuts during the Obama administration caused so many negative issues for our military and the people who were being persecuted in those countries that we were supposed to be helping. 

Care to back any of those claims with links to reputable sources?
 

Let's start somewhere.

How about any source at all?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Halifax2TheMax said:

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

mrussel1 said:

unsung said:

Again, I assign the blame on the parents.  The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.  

So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject?  You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt.  Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?

Don't blame me, blame the parents.  I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.

My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.  

Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?

So you admit this is a better option? We should just send our military in and clear out all the corruption and gangs running those counties and bring all the manufacturing and jobs back to our country so the immigrants coming here can get employment at a decent wage. No paying less to immigrants which drives down employment for people that are already here. That in itself should be a crime. 

Claiming asylum is generally seen as a better option than death, yes. I’m not sure why that would be a surprise. 

And like I said earlier, the USA has such a wonderful track record of cleaning up messes in other counties...  What could possibly go wrong there?

Well the ISIS mess seems less of a threat since we started letting our military run our military. No more lets tell our enemy where we're going to be because that's only fair!?!?!? Are you kidding me that was some f'd up logic. Don't think the people that were being persecuted in the middle east aren't gratteful for having our military over there. They don't want to go through what they went through during the previos administration. Hopefully one day our military can leave there after those countries put in safeguards to make sure that the extremists can never get that much power again. They need to elect some of those badass women that were over there fighting the enemy while the coward men from those countries left them and the children behind to flee with thier balls tucked up their asses. 

Tell us, what major changes did Trump make to the military approach regarding ISIS? Most defence experts say that he has generally just continued the approach started by Obama, with minor tweaks, and that the majority of the gains had already started under Obama’s administration. Continuation of the same approach brought some further gains, but no one but Trump claims that he changed the game there. 
 

Trump gave more control to the military. I find it funny that yes Obama did make changes to rules of engagement that didn't take place until his very last month in office. I wonder whyafter all the casualties that it caused for our troops why did he suddenly change the rules of engagement at the  very end of his term? You know why, because he knew it was going to get changed. The rules and budget cuts during the Obama administration caused so many negative issues for our military and the people who were being persecuted in those countries that we were supposed to be helping. 

Care to back any of those claims with links to reputable sources?
 

Let's start somewhere.

How about any source at all?

Jason P

The fundamental issue is our red tape and lack of commen sense.  I don’t think anyone should be able to jump the line but they do jump the line because our system forces them to because of no other alternative based on income.  I only hope those that choose to leave try to assimilate into our country instead of living in their past and refusing to embrace becoming an American.  Why come if you don’t want to belong?

Halifax2TheMax

And ye shall reap what ye shall sow.

Sarah Sanders is upset a restaurant wouldn’t serve her. She’s OK with it happening to gays. - Vox https://apple.news/AfpvzQaBTTSiUhrFc-FjVQg

josevolution

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

mrussel1 said:

unsung said:

Again, I assign the blame on the parents.  The US govt is responsible as far as allowing incentives to be handed out to the people illegally coming here.  

So you have no moral or ethical opinion on the subject?  You can blame the parents all you want, but then children are hurt.  Is that okay with you because it's the parents' fault?

Don't blame me, blame the parents.  I did not bring them to a place where there are consequences.

My sympathy with the children is that they are being used as political pawns.  

Do you factor in that most of these individuals and families are fleeing violence severe enough that facing these potential consequences seems like the better option?

So you admit this is a better option? We should just send our military in and clear out all the corruption and gangs running those counties and bring all the manufacturing and jobs back to our country so the immigrants coming here can get employment at a decent wage. No paying less to immigrants which drives down employment for people that are already here. That in itself should be a crime. 

Claiming asylum is generally seen as a better option than death, yes. I’m not sure why that would be a surprise. 

And like I said earlier, the USA has such a wonderful track record of cleaning up messes in other counties...  What could possibly go wrong there?

Well the ISIS mess seems less of a threat since we started letting our military run our military. No more lets tell our enemy where we're going to be because that's only fair!?!?!? Are you kidding me that was some f'd up logic. Don't think the people that were being persecuted in the middle east aren't gratteful for having our military over there. They don't want to go through what they went through during the previos administration. Hopefully one day our military can leave there after those countries put in safeguards to make sure that the extremists can never get that much power again. They need to elect some of those badass women that were over there fighting the enemy while the coward men from those countries left them and the children behind to flee with thier balls tucked up their asses. 

Tell us, what major changes did Trump make to the military approach regarding ISIS? Most defence experts say that he has generally just continued the approach started by Obama, with minor tweaks, and that the majority of the gains had already started under Obama’s administration. Continuation of the same approach brought some further gains, but no one but Trump claims that he changed the game there. 
 

Trump gave more control to the military. I find it funny that yes Obama did make changes to rules of engagement that didn't take place until his very last month in office. I wonder whyafter all the casualties that it caused for our troops why did he suddenly change the rules of engagement at the  very end of his term? You know why, because he knew it was going to get changed. The rules and budget cuts during the Obama administration caused so many negative issues for our military and the people who were being persecuted in those countries that we were supposed to be helping. 

Were you just as outraged in 2003 ...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Halifax2TheMax said:

And ye shall reap what ye shall sow.

Sarah Sanders is upset a restaurant wouldn’t serve her. She’s OK with it happening to gays. - Vox https://apple.news/AfpvzQaBTTSiUhrFc-FjVQg

Best tweet I read responding to her detailing her incident:

https://twitter.com/ira/status/1010582191644921856?s=21

brianlux

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And ye shall reap what ye shall sow.

Sarah Sanders is upset a restaurant wouldn’t serve her. She’s OK with it happening to gays. - Vox https://apple.news/AfpvzQaBTTSiUhrFc-FjVQg

Best tweet I read responding to her detailing her incident:

https://twitter.com/ira/status/1010582191644921856?s=21

A good point although it was just "her" that made the decision.  It was the restaurant staff as a whole.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44588939

"She [a co-owner of the resataurant] told the Washington Post that she decided to ask the Trump spokeswoman to leave the 26-seat, "farm-to-table" restaurant after talking to her staff.

"Tell me what you want me to do. I can ask her to leave," she said she told them. "They said yes."

Spiritual_Chaos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdziZaUUXyg

rgambs

LongestRoad said:

rgambs said:

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

the response above is twisting my words

No, it isn't. Your words weren't even used, let alone twisted. H2TM was responding to your comment concerning perceived criminality among immigrants. 

You are also twisting my words. Are you saying there are only criminal American citizens?? There has never been a criminal from south of the border come into this country? Stop trying to focus on twisting my words to sound like I think the majority of immigrants coming into this country are criminals. But  you can bet your ass I don't want any of the drug dealing rapist gang members coming into this country no matter how small a percentage there is of them. Not one of those scumbags should be able to sneak in. Not only for the people that are already here but also for the immigrants that those low lifes try to prey on. Are the liberals able to comprehend that without twisting my words? I have a hunch not. lol

Question:
Do you think our scumbag drug dealing rapist gang murderers are inherently better than the ones from south of the border?

HaHa No but if you f'n liberals stopped fighting for the rights of convicted scumbag murdering rapist drug dealing gang members then maybe it would be harder for them to get back out on the streets.And sanother thing, stop making their time in prison comfortable. 

I can't imagine living inside a mind so filled with fear and hatred.
I will pray for your soul.

unsung

josevolution said:

I would of rather they let her eat and pray that she choked on her food!!

I'd say wishing ill will upon an individual is frowned upon as I received a 30 ban for doing so.  Maybe it just depends on the person whose demise is wished for.