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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Looks like another mass invasion is coming, best not to let them cross so the children aren’t separated again.
    Scummy.
    Ok, fine.  Not like they haven’t been warned.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,935
    edited October 2018
    unsung said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Looks like another mass invasion is coming, best not to let them cross so the children aren’t separated again.
    Scummy.
    Ok, fine.  Not like they haven’t been warned.
    I would almost like to see what you would do when the choice is to escape extreme unsolvable poverty, persecution, and/or death of you and your family or to flee to the USA despite warnings.
    I know you don't care, but any halfway moral person would be absolutely disgusted by your apparent view that the USA is justified in kidnapping children and locking them up and permanently traumatizing them because their parents who are fleeing misery should have stayed put and continued to suffer.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    You are mistaken that I don’t care, I actually do.  The difference is that I believe in focusing on the cause instead of the symtoms.  Any alleged “separation” is due to the failed War on Drugs.  
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,405
    unsung said:
    You are mistaken that I don’t care, I actually do.  The difference is that I believe in focusing on the cause instead of the symtoms.  Any alleged “separation” is due to the failed War on Drugs.  
    Alleged lol yeah ok , so the kids in wire cages is all a myth , you don't give a crap about anyone that's not like you or agrees with you ...Be happy you live in a country that kidnaped children from their biological parents and now will be put up for Adoption fly your flag proudly and hold your weapons even closer to you the brown man is coming for you and your white women ...
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Why do you turn everything into race?
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,405
    unsung said:
    Why do you turn everything into race?
    Because this issue is totally about race ...if i offended you i apologize but this is all about race that can't be denied ...
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    You aren’t offending me but illegal immigration happens from all over the world.  It just happens that a group of thousands is in the news right now.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,935
    edited October 2018
    I actually seriously doubt that there would be any issue at all for the GOP if thousands of white English people were sneaking into America. There is no way they could rile their racist base up fighting that.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,405
    PJ_Soul said:
    I actually seriously doubt that there would be any issue at all for the GOP if thousands of white English people were sneaking into America. There is no way they could rile their racist base up fighting that.
    i didn't want to say that but it def feels like that would be correct ...
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,744
    PJ_Soul said:
    I actually seriously doubt that there would be any issue at all for the GOP if thousands of white English people were sneaking into America. There is no way they could rile their racist base up fighting that.
    You are 100 percent correct 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,423
    josevolution said:
    unsung said:
    Why do you turn everything into race?
    Because this issue is totally about race ...if i offended you i apologize but this is all about race that can't be denied ...
    No it's not only about race.  It certainly is for some, but not all.  You can be for revamping the immigration process while strengthening security at borders without it being about race.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,405
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    unsung said:
    Why do you turn everything into race?
    Because this issue is totally about race ...if i offended you i apologize but this is all about race that can't be denied ...
    No it's not only about race.  It certainly is for some, but not all.  You can be for revamping the immigration process while strengthening security at borders without it being about race.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=miller%20white%20house
    This is who’s behind the immigration tactics from this administration ..
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,423
    josevolution said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    unsung said:
    Why do you turn everything into race?
    Because this issue is totally about race ...if i offended you i apologize but this is all about race that can't be denied ...
    No it's not only about race.  It certainly is for some, but not all.  You can be for revamping the immigration process while strengthening security at borders without it being about race.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=miller%20white%20house
    This is who’s behind the immigration tactics from this administration ..
    Right...but this has been a hot topic for a long time.  far before Trump even thought about running for president.  I'm just saying there are plenty of people out there that know the system is broken and needs fixed and it's not based on race at all.  Unfortunately it seems the only way anyone got any traction towards doing something is by using race....sucks.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,405
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    unsung said:
    Why do you turn everything into race?
    Because this issue is totally about race ...if i offended you i apologize but this is all about race that can't be denied ...
    No it's not only about race.  It certainly is for some, but not all.  You can be for revamping the immigration process while strengthening security at borders without it being about race.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=miller%20white%20house
    This is who’s behind the immigration tactics from this administration ..
    Right...but this has been a hot topic for a long time.  far before Trump even thought about running for president.  I'm just saying there are plenty of people out there that know the system is broken and needs fixed and it's not based on race at all.  Unfortunately it seems the only way anyone got any traction towards doing something is by using race....sucks.
    I agree the system needs fixing but the way they went about it is just criminal ..
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Mexico finally stepping up.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/10/17/mexican-government-sends-federal-police-stop-caravan-u-s-bound-migrants/1674954002/?fbclid=IwAR2V6JlmUbfA4FShxzKsmwidgnRYnh3o_qZ4jl44p6BFVmnVw9FLvr73N1c
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,948
    unsung said:
    Mexico finally stepping up.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/10/17/mexican-government-sends-federal-police-stop-caravan-u-s-bound-migrants/1674954002/?fbclid=IwAR2V6JlmUbfA4FShxzKsmwidgnRYnh3o_qZ4jl44p6BFVmnVw9FLvr73N1c
    They paid for the wall?
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,880
    Hey so I haven't been keeping up on this, but have all the kids that were separated from their families at the border returned to their families? I know it was a clusterfuck for a while there.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Hey so I haven't been keeping up on this, but have all the kids that were separated from their families at the border returned to their families? I know it was a clusterfuck for a while there.
    Oh, no; not even close. Predictably, now they can’t find all the parents that they deported without their kids. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,935
    edited October 2018
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Hey so I haven't been keeping up on this, but have all the kids that were separated from their families at the border returned to their families? I know it was a clusterfuck for a while there.
    Nope. Many of the kidnapped children have still not been returned to their parents. And they appear to be planning to just give some of the kids who still haven't been returned to American strangers - putting them up for adoption - instead of finding their real parents.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,880
    Ugh...I figured that was the case. 
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    edited October 2018
    Canada Pension Plan Increases Investments Profiting Off Trump's Migrant Detention Centres

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/10/16/canada-pension-plan-trump-detention-centres_a_23562812/?ncid=fcbklnkcahpmg00000001&fbclid=IwAR3sySYXXaXR1IdBmL0fqZcV_U7NYw7ME0OjvYByWxkqnzz8KbBmx1BbRRE
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,935
    edited October 2018
    Meltdown99 said:
    Canada Pension Plan Increases Investments Profiting Off Trump's Migrant Detention Centres

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/10/16/canada-pension-plan-trump-detention-centres_a_23562812/?ncid=fcbklnkcahpmg00000001&fbclid=IwAR3sySYXXaXR1IdBmL0fqZcV_U7NYw7ME0OjvYByWxkqnzz8KbBmx1BbRRE
    Chances are this was simply triggered automatically using plain old numbers, but that is still uncomfortable.... I'm not sure I'm more disturbed by the migrant part specifically or generally (although am when I think about these facilities being used for the kidnapped children, which I consider a crime against humanity). I'm very much against any private prison system at all, so I'm disappointed to know that the CPP is invested in it, period, migrants or no migrants. I would very much support those in charge of the CPP portfolio (that's not the feds) figuring out how to get out of any investments in that system... easier said than done though, since I'm sure nobody wants to damage the value of the fund while they're at it. It's also a pretty fucking slippery slope. I'm sure there are plenty more seedy connections via CPP investments.

    On another note, I hope the CPP has major investments in the cannabis industry now.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,405
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Hey so I haven't been keeping up on this, but have all the kids that were separated from their families at the border returned to their families? I know it was a clusterfuck for a while there.
    I appreciate your concern but it wasn’t a clusterfuck that caused the kidnapping of children it was this administrations policy led by Andrew racist Miller that speared headed this initiative.....
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,880
    josevolution said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Hey so I haven't been keeping up on this, but have all the kids that were separated from their families at the border returned to their families? I know it was a clusterfuck for a while there.
    I appreciate your concern but it wasn’t a clusterfuck that caused the kidnapping of children it was this administrations policy led by Andrew racist Miller that speared headed this initiative.....
    The "clusterfuck" aspect that I'm referring to isn't the idea of separating the families (which was bad in it's own right), but not using proper identifiers to be able to reunite the kids with the parents afterwards. Nobody should have been deported back until the child that was with them was identified and returned to them. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,872
    unsung said:
    You aren’t offending me but illegal immigration happens from all over the world.  It just happens that a group of thousands is in the news right now.
    This guy answers the dog whistle call EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Like clock work. Amazing. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,405
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    josevolution said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Hey so I haven't been keeping up on this, but have all the kids that were separated from their families at the border returned to their families? I know it was a clusterfuck for a while there.
    I appreciate your concern but it wasn’t a clusterfuck that caused the kidnapping of children it was this administrations policy led by Andrew racist Miller that speared headed this initiative.....
    The "clusterfuck" aspect that I'm referring to isn't the idea of separating the families (which was bad in it's own right), but not using proper identifiers to be able to reunite the kids with the parents afterwards. Nobody should have been deported back until the child that was with them was identified and returned to them. 
    Yes your correct I read it wrong ..
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    The Juggler said:
    unsung said:
    You aren’t offending me but illegal immigration happens from all over the world.  It just happens that a group of thousands is in the news right now.
    This guy answers the dog whistle call EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Like clock work. Amazing. 
    Impending.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,872
    unsung said:
    The Juggler said:
    unsung said:
    You aren’t offending me but illegal immigration happens from all over the world.  It just happens that a group of thousands is in the news right now.
    This guy answers the dog whistle call EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Like clock work. Amazing. 
    Impending.
     
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    "Asylum seekers"


  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,948
    unsung said:
    "Asylum seekers"


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