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My opinion, but only white men and women who didn't immigrate to the US in the last 100 years due to a shitty socioeconomic and crime ridden country could smile and happily announce a "zero tolerance" policy and then continue to pretend this isn't what they wanted. They have lived in privilege too long and fail to recognize the different chance they received just by being born white and in the US. They seem to think it's as simple as cracking down to show these immigrants that they shouldn't be crossing illegally. It's working about as well as the death penalty does to deter murder or stiffer sentencing does to stop drug dealers. We're such a stupid society to think that extreme consequences will be the deciding factor for people in extreme situations. There's a very small percentage of people who really consider those consequences and if that's all that's preventing them from taking these actions then we have a bigger problem to worry about with them then those who do it out of necessity.It's a hopeless situation...0
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The article is ten months old. Hitler and Trump both won with minority support. So W, Adams, Harrison and Hayes can also be compared to Hitler because they won with minority support?Halifax2TheMax said:
Yup, no comparisons at all. It’s just Team Trump Treason being Team Trump Treason. And still playing that they’re coming for your guns broken record?mcgruff10 said:
no. But if you believe otherwise then I think it is a no brainer to support the 2nd amendment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Are there any comparisons between the Team Trump Treason Administration and Nazi germany that can be made? A simple yes or no will do.mcgruff10 said:
I don't believe we are moving towards a fascist state at all. In your opinion, do you think there were darker days under Trump or W? Personally I thought W was much worse.The Juggler said:
Our country has greater checks and balances to not let that happen but we’re clearly moving towards a fascist state under this president/not away from one.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. And anyone with half a brain will realize that the nazi/American comparison thing is asinine.The Juggler said:
ZERO TOLERANCE IS NOT A LAW. IT IS A TRUMP POLICY THAT CAN BE REVERESED WITH ONE PHONE CALL BY DONALD FUCKING TRUMP.tempo_n_groove said:Since this thread isn't about immigration anymore let's get back to it, shall we?
After doing more research I remember why woman were coming from South America in droves with children. During the Obama admin they gave border agents the option to turn a blind eye or "catch and release" without arrest or detainment.
This got back to the other SA countries and they see it as a free pass to come in to the US.
Tbergs posted the "blackboard" of Bannon and all his points/outlines and the term "catch and release" was on it. It is one of the main campaign points of Trump.
Team Trump thinks that by having "Zero tolerance" will dismay the people from coming over but that hasn't happened and there is this inhumane mess there is right now.
This is why @The Juggler I disagree with Schumer and it should be legislative in stopping Zero Tolerance. Trump isn't going to stop so you are going to have to take him to court.
Cuomo is taking them to court. I think that is the only way to stop this. I would like to think I'm wrong and Trump will come around but we all know that isn't going to happen.
Yes we need immigration reform. Everyone agrees with that. Hardly anyone wants “open borders.”—this is another Trump talking point that all of his media outlets keep parroting...people on this very forum keeven keep saying it. That is fucking nonsense. Anyone with half a brain can see that it’s not an either or thing. The bottom line is Donald Trump is holding these kids hostage to force the democrats into funding an enormously expensive, and unnecessary wall that he spent two years brainwashing people into believing he would get Mexico to pay for.
You want a simple solution for Zero Tolerance? Here’s one: let Donald Trump own up to a mistake for once in his miserable life and reverse HIW OWN POLICY. Then we can still try to come to a solution for the immigration issue. But Zero tolerance is separate from that. It’s a manufactured issue created by the Trump administration to blackmail the democrats into funding a stupid idea that most of country doesn’t want anyway.
https://fpif.org/its-time-to-take-the-nazi-trump-comparisons-seriously/
Both Hitler and Trump used executive orders....um so did Obama. That's like the old wive's tail of the Lincoln and Kennedy assassination being somehow connected because both killers had three names lol. I still don't buy the comparison bud.
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She really went to a fucking Mexican restaurant???josevolution said:Stop separating kids that’s all
Protesters shout 'shame' at Kirstjen Nielsen as she dines at Mexican restaurant - CNN Politics https://apple.news/A2UVXXXYYRMa4Fs5fyR5hWA
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So the age of the article is your first determining factor for dismissal of the comparisons? All righty then. EOs in and of themselves are not bad and are constitutionally protected. It’s the nature and intent of the EOs that you should be concerned about. No mention of Team Trump Treason trying to direct the JD to seize 1400 IP addresses of critics? No mention of Team Trump Treason leading crowds in chants of lock her up? Without due process? No mention of the right wing propaganda machine that Team Trump Treason feeds with multiple lies a day? No mention of the denigration of a free press? And you teach history?mcgruff10 said:
The article is ten months old. Hitler and Trump both won with minority support. So W, Adams, Harrison and Hayes can also be compared to Hitler because they won with minority support?Halifax2TheMax said:
Yup, no comparisons at all. It’s just Team Trump Treason being Team Trump Treason. And still playing that they’re coming for your guns broken record?mcgruff10 said:
no. But if you believe otherwise then I think it is a no brainer to support the 2nd amendment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Are there any comparisons between the Team Trump Treason Administration and Nazi germany that can be made? A simple yes or no will do.mcgruff10 said:
I don't believe we are moving towards a fascist state at all. In your opinion, do you think there were darker days under Trump or W? Personally I thought W was much worse.The Juggler said:
Our country has greater checks and balances to not let that happen but we’re clearly moving towards a fascist state under this president/not away from one.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. And anyone with half a brain will realize that the nazi/American comparison thing is asinine.The Juggler said:
ZERO TOLERANCE IS NOT A LAW. IT IS A TRUMP POLICY THAT CAN BE REVERESED WITH ONE PHONE CALL BY DONALD FUCKING TRUMP.tempo_n_groove said:Since this thread isn't about immigration anymore let's get back to it, shall we?
After doing more research I remember why woman were coming from South America in droves with children. During the Obama admin they gave border agents the option to turn a blind eye or "catch and release" without arrest or detainment.
This got back to the other SA countries and they see it as a free pass to come in to the US.
Tbergs posted the "blackboard" of Bannon and all his points/outlines and the term "catch and release" was on it. It is one of the main campaign points of Trump.
Team Trump thinks that by having "Zero tolerance" will dismay the people from coming over but that hasn't happened and there is this inhumane mess there is right now.
This is why @The Juggler I disagree with Schumer and it should be legislative in stopping Zero Tolerance. Trump isn't going to stop so you are going to have to take him to court.
Cuomo is taking them to court. I think that is the only way to stop this. I would like to think I'm wrong and Trump will come around but we all know that isn't going to happen.
Yes we need immigration reform. Everyone agrees with that. Hardly anyone wants “open borders.”—this is another Trump talking point that all of his media outlets keep parroting...people on this very forum keeven keep saying it. That is fucking nonsense. Anyone with half a brain can see that it’s not an either or thing. The bottom line is Donald Trump is holding these kids hostage to force the democrats into funding an enormously expensive, and unnecessary wall that he spent two years brainwashing people into believing he would get Mexico to pay for.
You want a simple solution for Zero Tolerance? Here’s one: let Donald Trump own up to a mistake for once in his miserable life and reverse HIW OWN POLICY. Then we can still try to come to a solution for the immigration issue. But Zero tolerance is separate from that. It’s a manufactured issue created by the Trump administration to blackmail the democrats into funding a stupid idea that most of country doesn’t want anyway.
https://fpif.org/its-time-to-take-the-nazi-trump-comparisons-seriously/
Both Hitler and Trump used executive orders....um so did Obama. That's like the old wive's tail of the Lincoln and Kennedy assassination being somehow connected because both killers had three names lol. I still don't buy the comparison bud.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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He teaches history??Halifax2TheMax said:
So the age of the article is your first determining factor for dismissal of the comparisons? All righty then. EOs in and of themselves are not bad and are constitutionally protected. It’s the nature and intent of the EOs that you should be concerned about. No mention of Team Trump Treason trying to direct the JD to seize 1400 IP addresses of critics? No mention of Team Trump Treason leading crowds in chants of lock her up? Without due process? No mention of the right wing propaganda machine that Team Trump Treason feeds with multiple lies a day? No mention of the denigration of a free press? And you teach history?mcgruff10 said:
The article is ten months old. Hitler and Trump both won with minority support. So W, Adams, Harrison and Hayes can also be compared to Hitler because they won with minority support?Halifax2TheMax said:
Yup, no comparisons at all. It’s just Team Trump Treason being Team Trump Treason. And still playing that they’re coming for your guns broken record?mcgruff10 said:
no. But if you believe otherwise then I think it is a no brainer to support the 2nd amendment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Are there any comparisons between the Team Trump Treason Administration and Nazi germany that can be made? A simple yes or no will do.mcgruff10 said:
I don't believe we are moving towards a fascist state at all. In your opinion, do you think there were darker days under Trump or W? Personally I thought W was much worse.The Juggler said:
Our country has greater checks and balances to not let that happen but we’re clearly moving towards a fascist state under this president/not away from one.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. And anyone with half a brain will realize that the nazi/American comparison thing is asinine.The Juggler said:
ZERO TOLERANCE IS NOT A LAW. IT IS A TRUMP POLICY THAT CAN BE REVERESED WITH ONE PHONE CALL BY DONALD FUCKING TRUMP.tempo_n_groove said:Since this thread isn't about immigration anymore let's get back to it, shall we?
After doing more research I remember why woman were coming from South America in droves with children. During the Obama admin they gave border agents the option to turn a blind eye or "catch and release" without arrest or detainment.
This got back to the other SA countries and they see it as a free pass to come in to the US.
Tbergs posted the "blackboard" of Bannon and all his points/outlines and the term "catch and release" was on it. It is one of the main campaign points of Trump.
Team Trump thinks that by having "Zero tolerance" will dismay the people from coming over but that hasn't happened and there is this inhumane mess there is right now.
This is why @The Juggler I disagree with Schumer and it should be legislative in stopping Zero Tolerance. Trump isn't going to stop so you are going to have to take him to court.
Cuomo is taking them to court. I think that is the only way to stop this. I would like to think I'm wrong and Trump will come around but we all know that isn't going to happen.
Yes we need immigration reform. Everyone agrees with that. Hardly anyone wants “open borders.”—this is another Trump talking point that all of his media outlets keep parroting...people on this very forum keeven keep saying it. That is fucking nonsense. Anyone with half a brain can see that it’s not an either or thing. The bottom line is Donald Trump is holding these kids hostage to force the democrats into funding an enormously expensive, and unnecessary wall that he spent two years brainwashing people into believing he would get Mexico to pay for.
You want a simple solution for Zero Tolerance? Here’s one: let Donald Trump own up to a mistake for once in his miserable life and reverse HIW OWN POLICY. Then we can still try to come to a solution for the immigration issue. But Zero tolerance is separate from that. It’s a manufactured issue created by the Trump administration to blackmail the democrats into funding a stupid idea that most of country doesn’t want anyway.
https://fpif.org/its-time-to-take-the-nazi-trump-comparisons-seriously/
Both Hitler and Trump used executive orders....um so did Obama. That's like the old wive's tail of the Lincoln and Kennedy assassination being somehow connected because both killers had three names lol. I still don't buy the comparison bud.www.myspace.com0 -
Not on here. This is his safe space when he’s not on a bus full of 6th graders, praise be to Allah.The Juggler said:
He teaches history??Halifax2TheMax said:
So the age of the article is your first determining factor for dismissal of the comparisons? All righty then. EOs in and of themselves are not bad and are constitutionally protected. It’s the nature and intent of the EOs that you should be concerned about. No mention of Team Trump Treason trying to direct the JD to seize 1400 IP addresses of critics? No mention of Team Trump Treason leading crowds in chants of lock her up? Without due process? No mention of the right wing propaganda machine that Team Trump Treason feeds with multiple lies a day? No mention of the denigration of a free press? And you teach history?mcgruff10 said:
The article is ten months old. Hitler and Trump both won with minority support. So W, Adams, Harrison and Hayes can also be compared to Hitler because they won with minority support?Halifax2TheMax said:
Yup, no comparisons at all. It’s just Team Trump Treason being Team Trump Treason. And still playing that they’re coming for your guns broken record?mcgruff10 said:
no. But if you believe otherwise then I think it is a no brainer to support the 2nd amendment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Are there any comparisons between the Team Trump Treason Administration and Nazi germany that can be made? A simple yes or no will do.mcgruff10 said:
I don't believe we are moving towards a fascist state at all. In your opinion, do you think there were darker days under Trump or W? Personally I thought W was much worse.The Juggler said:
Our country has greater checks and balances to not let that happen but we’re clearly moving towards a fascist state under this president/not away from one.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. And anyone with half a brain will realize that the nazi/American comparison thing is asinine.The Juggler said:
ZERO TOLERANCE IS NOT A LAW. IT IS A TRUMP POLICY THAT CAN BE REVERESED WITH ONE PHONE CALL BY DONALD FUCKING TRUMP.tempo_n_groove said:Since this thread isn't about immigration anymore let's get back to it, shall we?
After doing more research I remember why woman were coming from South America in droves with children. During the Obama admin they gave border agents the option to turn a blind eye or "catch and release" without arrest or detainment.
This got back to the other SA countries and they see it as a free pass to come in to the US.
Tbergs posted the "blackboard" of Bannon and all his points/outlines and the term "catch and release" was on it. It is one of the main campaign points of Trump.
Team Trump thinks that by having "Zero tolerance" will dismay the people from coming over but that hasn't happened and there is this inhumane mess there is right now.
This is why @The Juggler I disagree with Schumer and it should be legislative in stopping Zero Tolerance. Trump isn't going to stop so you are going to have to take him to court.
Cuomo is taking them to court. I think that is the only way to stop this. I would like to think I'm wrong and Trump will come around but we all know that isn't going to happen.
Yes we need immigration reform. Everyone agrees with that. Hardly anyone wants “open borders.”—this is another Trump talking point that all of his media outlets keep parroting...people on this very forum keeven keep saying it. That is fucking nonsense. Anyone with half a brain can see that it’s not an either or thing. The bottom line is Donald Trump is holding these kids hostage to force the democrats into funding an enormously expensive, and unnecessary wall that he spent two years brainwashing people into believing he would get Mexico to pay for.
You want a simple solution for Zero Tolerance? Here’s one: let Donald Trump own up to a mistake for once in his miserable life and reverse HIW OWN POLICY. Then we can still try to come to a solution for the immigration issue. But Zero tolerance is separate from that. It’s a manufactured issue created by the Trump administration to blackmail the democrats into funding a stupid idea that most of country doesn’t want anyway.
https://fpif.org/its-time-to-take-the-nazi-trump-comparisons-seriously/
Both Hitler and Trump used executive orders....um so did Obama. That's like the old wive's tail of the Lincoln and Kennedy assassination being somehow connected because both killers had three names lol. I still don't buy the comparison bud.
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Yes I teach history (and why does it matter?) No I still don’t see any comparisons between the two.The Juggler said:
He teaches history??Halifax2TheMax said:
So the age of the article is your first determining factor for dismissal of the comparisons? All righty then. EOs in and of themselves are not bad and are constitutionally protected. It’s the nature and intent of the EOs that you should be concerned about. No mention of Team Trump Treason trying to direct the JD to seize 1400 IP addresses of critics? No mention of Team Trump Treason leading crowds in chants of lock her up? Without due process? No mention of the right wing propaganda machine that Team Trump Treason feeds with multiple lies a day? No mention of the denigration of a free press? And you teach history?mcgruff10 said:
The article is ten months old. Hitler and Trump both won with minority support. So W, Adams, Harrison and Hayes can also be compared to Hitler because they won with minority support?Halifax2TheMax said:
Yup, no comparisons at all. It’s just Team Trump Treason being Team Trump Treason. And still playing that they’re coming for your guns broken record?mcgruff10 said:
no. But if you believe otherwise then I think it is a no brainer to support the 2nd amendment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Are there any comparisons between the Team Trump Treason Administration and Nazi germany that can be made? A simple yes or no will do.mcgruff10 said:
I don't believe we are moving towards a fascist state at all. In your opinion, do you think there were darker days under Trump or W? Personally I thought W was much worse.The Juggler said:
Our country has greater checks and balances to not let that happen but we’re clearly moving towards a fascist state under this president/not away from one.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. And anyone with half a brain will realize that the nazi/American comparison thing is asinine.The Juggler said:
ZERO TOLERANCE IS NOT A LAW. IT IS A TRUMP POLICY THAT CAN BE REVERESED WITH ONE PHONE CALL BY DONALD FUCKING TRUMP.tempo_n_groove said:Since this thread isn't about immigration anymore let's get back to it, shall we?
After doing more research I remember why woman were coming from South America in droves with children. During the Obama admin they gave border agents the option to turn a blind eye or "catch and release" without arrest or detainment.
This got back to the other SA countries and they see it as a free pass to come in to the US.
Tbergs posted the "blackboard" of Bannon and all his points/outlines and the term "catch and release" was on it. It is one of the main campaign points of Trump.
Team Trump thinks that by having "Zero tolerance" will dismay the people from coming over but that hasn't happened and there is this inhumane mess there is right now.
This is why @The Juggler I disagree with Schumer and it should be legislative in stopping Zero Tolerance. Trump isn't going to stop so you are going to have to take him to court.
Cuomo is taking them to court. I think that is the only way to stop this. I would like to think I'm wrong and Trump will come around but we all know that isn't going to happen.
Yes we need immigration reform. Everyone agrees with that. Hardly anyone wants “open borders.”—this is another Trump talking point that all of his media outlets keep parroting...people on this very forum keeven keep saying it. That is fucking nonsense. Anyone with half a brain can see that it’s not an either or thing. The bottom line is Donald Trump is holding these kids hostage to force the democrats into funding an enormously expensive, and unnecessary wall that he spent two years brainwashing people into believing he would get Mexico to pay for.
You want a simple solution for Zero Tolerance? Here’s one: let Donald Trump own up to a mistake for once in his miserable life and reverse HIW OWN POLICY. Then we can still try to come to a solution for the immigration issue. But Zero tolerance is separate from that. It’s a manufactured issue created by the Trump administration to blackmail the democrats into funding a stupid idea that most of country doesn’t want anyway.
https://fpif.org/its-time-to-take-the-nazi-trump-comparisons-seriously/
Both Hitler and Trump used executive orders....um so did Obama. That's like the old wive's tail of the Lincoln and Kennedy assassination being somehow connected because both killers had three names lol. I still don't buy the comparison bud.
I didn’t dismiss the article I just stated it was ten months old. I figured you would have had something more current.
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The age of the actions matter? That’s what it is for you? Okay, separating children from their parents and holding them separate ly. Is that recent enough?mcgruff10 said:
Yes I teach history (and why does it matter?) No I still don’t see any comparisons between the two.The Juggler said:
He teaches history??Halifax2TheMax said:
So the age of the article is your first determining factor for dismissal of the comparisons? All righty then. EOs in and of themselves are not bad and are constitutionally protected. It’s the nature and intent of the EOs that you should be concerned about. No mention of Team Trump Treason trying to direct the JD to seize 1400 IP addresses of critics? No mention of Team Trump Treason leading crowds in chants of lock her up? Without due process? No mention of the right wing propaganda machine that Team Trump Treason feeds with multiple lies a day? No mention of the denigration of a free press? And you teach history?mcgruff10 said:
The article is ten months old. Hitler and Trump both won with minority support. So W, Adams, Harrison and Hayes can also be compared to Hitler because they won with minority support?Halifax2TheMax said:
Yup, no comparisons at all. It’s just Team Trump Treason being Team Trump Treason. And still playing that they’re coming for your guns broken record?mcgruff10 said:
no. But if you believe otherwise then I think it is a no brainer to support the 2nd amendment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Are there any comparisons between the Team Trump Treason Administration and Nazi germany that can be made? A simple yes or no will do.mcgruff10 said:
I don't believe we are moving towards a fascist state at all. In your opinion, do you think there were darker days under Trump or W? Personally I thought W was much worse.The Juggler said:
Our country has greater checks and balances to not let that happen but we’re clearly moving towards a fascist state under this president/not away from one.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. And anyone with half a brain will realize that the nazi/American comparison thing is asinine.The Juggler said:
ZERO TOLERANCE IS NOT A LAW. IT IS A TRUMP POLICY THAT CAN BE REVERESED WITH ONE PHONE CALL BY DONALD FUCKING TRUMP.tempo_n_groove said:Since this thread isn't about immigration anymore let's get back to it, shall we?
After doing more research I remember why woman were coming from South America in droves with children. During the Obama admin they gave border agents the option to turn a blind eye or "catch and release" without arrest or detainment.
This got back to the other SA countries and they see it as a free pass to come in to the US.
Tbergs posted the "blackboard" of Bannon and all his points/outlines and the term "catch and release" was on it. It is one of the main campaign points of Trump.
Team Trump thinks that by having "Zero tolerance" will dismay the people from coming over but that hasn't happened and there is this inhumane mess there is right now.
This is why @The Juggler I disagree with Schumer and it should be legislative in stopping Zero Tolerance. Trump isn't going to stop so you are going to have to take him to court.
Cuomo is taking them to court. I think that is the only way to stop this. I would like to think I'm wrong and Trump will come around but we all know that isn't going to happen.
Yes we need immigration reform. Everyone agrees with that. Hardly anyone wants “open borders.”—this is another Trump talking point that all of his media outlets keep parroting...people on this very forum keeven keep saying it. That is fucking nonsense. Anyone with half a brain can see that it’s not an either or thing. The bottom line is Donald Trump is holding these kids hostage to force the democrats into funding an enormously expensive, and unnecessary wall that he spent two years brainwashing people into believing he would get Mexico to pay for.
You want a simple solution for Zero Tolerance? Here’s one: let Donald Trump own up to a mistake for once in his miserable life and reverse HIW OWN POLICY. Then we can still try to come to a solution for the immigration issue. But Zero tolerance is separate from that. It’s a manufactured issue created by the Trump administration to blackmail the democrats into funding a stupid idea that most of country doesn’t want anyway.
https://fpif.org/its-time-to-take-the-nazi-trump-comparisons-seriously/
Both Hitler and Trump used executive orders....um so did Obama. That's like the old wive's tail of the Lincoln and Kennedy assassination being somehow connected because both killers had three names lol. I still don't buy the comparison bud.
I didn’t dismiss the article I just stated it was ten months old. I figured you would have had something more current.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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8th graders.Halifax2TheMax said:
Not on here. This is his safe space when he’s not on a bus full of 6th graders, praise be to Allah.The Juggler said:
He teaches history??Halifax2TheMax said:
So the age of the article is your first determining factor for dismissal of the comparisons? All righty then. EOs in and of themselves are not bad and are constitutionally protected. It’s the nature and intent of the EOs that you should be concerned about. No mention of Team Trump Treason trying to direct the JD to seize 1400 IP addresses of critics? No mention of Team Trump Treason leading crowds in chants of lock her up? Without due process? No mention of the right wing propaganda machine that Team Trump Treason feeds with multiple lies a day? No mention of the denigration of a free press? And you teach history?mcgruff10 said:
The article is ten months old. Hitler and Trump both won with minority support. So W, Adams, Harrison and Hayes can also be compared to Hitler because they won with minority support?Halifax2TheMax said:
Yup, no comparisons at all. It’s just Team Trump Treason being Team Trump Treason. And still playing that they’re coming for your guns broken record?mcgruff10 said:
no. But if you believe otherwise then I think it is a no brainer to support the 2nd amendment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Are there any comparisons between the Team Trump Treason Administration and Nazi germany that can be made? A simple yes or no will do.mcgruff10 said:
I don't believe we are moving towards a fascist state at all. In your opinion, do you think there were darker days under Trump or W? Personally I thought W was much worse.The Juggler said:
Our country has greater checks and balances to not let that happen but we’re clearly moving towards a fascist state under this president/not away from one.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. And anyone with half a brain will realize that the nazi/American comparison thing is asinine.The Juggler said:
ZERO TOLERANCE IS NOT A LAW. IT IS A TRUMP POLICY THAT CAN BE REVERESED WITH ONE PHONE CALL BY DONALD FUCKING TRUMP.tempo_n_groove said:Since this thread isn't about immigration anymore let's get back to it, shall we?
After doing more research I remember why woman were coming from South America in droves with children. During the Obama admin they gave border agents the option to turn a blind eye or "catch and release" without arrest or detainment.
This got back to the other SA countries and they see it as a free pass to come in to the US.
Tbergs posted the "blackboard" of Bannon and all his points/outlines and the term "catch and release" was on it. It is one of the main campaign points of Trump.
Team Trump thinks that by having "Zero tolerance" will dismay the people from coming over but that hasn't happened and there is this inhumane mess there is right now.
This is why @The Juggler I disagree with Schumer and it should be legislative in stopping Zero Tolerance. Trump isn't going to stop so you are going to have to take him to court.
Cuomo is taking them to court. I think that is the only way to stop this. I would like to think I'm wrong and Trump will come around but we all know that isn't going to happen.
Yes we need immigration reform. Everyone agrees with that. Hardly anyone wants “open borders.”—this is another Trump talking point that all of his media outlets keep parroting...people on this very forum keeven keep saying it. That is fucking nonsense. Anyone with half a brain can see that it’s not an either or thing. The bottom line is Donald Trump is holding these kids hostage to force the democrats into funding an enormously expensive, and unnecessary wall that he spent two years brainwashing people into believing he would get Mexico to pay for.
You want a simple solution for Zero Tolerance? Here’s one: let Donald Trump own up to a mistake for once in his miserable life and reverse HIW OWN POLICY. Then we can still try to come to a solution for the immigration issue. But Zero tolerance is separate from that. It’s a manufactured issue created by the Trump administration to blackmail the democrats into funding a stupid idea that most of country doesn’t want anyway.
https://fpif.org/its-time-to-take-the-nazi-trump-comparisons-seriously/
Both Hitler and Trump used executive orders....um so did Obama. That's like the old wive's tail of the Lincoln and Kennedy assassination being somehow connected because both killers had three names lol. I still don't buy the comparison bud.
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You're wasting your breath.Halifax2TheMax said:
The age of the actions matter? That’s what it is for you? Okay, separating children from their parents and holding them separate ly. Is that recent enough?mcgruff10 said:
Yes I teach history (and why does it matter?) No I still don’t see any comparisons between the two.The Juggler said:
He teaches history??Halifax2TheMax said:
So the age of the article is your first determining factor for dismissal of the comparisons? All righty then. EOs in and of themselves are not bad and are constitutionally protected. It’s the nature and intent of the EOs that you should be concerned about. No mention of Team Trump Treason trying to direct the JD to seize 1400 IP addresses of critics? No mention of Team Trump Treason leading crowds in chants of lock her up? Without due process? No mention of the right wing propaganda machine that Team Trump Treason feeds with multiple lies a day? No mention of the denigration of a free press? And you teach history?mcgruff10 said:
The article is ten months old. Hitler and Trump both won with minority support. So W, Adams, Harrison and Hayes can also be compared to Hitler because they won with minority support?Halifax2TheMax said:
Yup, no comparisons at all. It’s just Team Trump Treason being Team Trump Treason. And still playing that they’re coming for your guns broken record?mcgruff10 said:
no. But if you believe otherwise then I think it is a no brainer to support the 2nd amendment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Are there any comparisons between the Team Trump Treason Administration and Nazi germany that can be made? A simple yes or no will do.mcgruff10 said:
I don't believe we are moving towards a fascist state at all. In your opinion, do you think there were darker days under Trump or W? Personally I thought W was much worse.The Juggler said:
Our country has greater checks and balances to not let that happen but we’re clearly moving towards a fascist state under this president/not away from one.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. And anyone with half a brain will realize that the nazi/American comparison thing is asinine.The Juggler said:
ZERO TOLERANCE IS NOT A LAW. IT IS A TRUMP POLICY THAT CAN BE REVERESED WITH ONE PHONE CALL BY DONALD FUCKING TRUMP.tempo_n_groove said:Since this thread isn't about immigration anymore let's get back to it, shall we?
After doing more research I remember why woman were coming from South America in droves with children. During the Obama admin they gave border agents the option to turn a blind eye or "catch and release" without arrest or detainment.
This got back to the other SA countries and they see it as a free pass to come in to the US.
Tbergs posted the "blackboard" of Bannon and all his points/outlines and the term "catch and release" was on it. It is one of the main campaign points of Trump.
Team Trump thinks that by having "Zero tolerance" will dismay the people from coming over but that hasn't happened and there is this inhumane mess there is right now.
This is why @The Juggler I disagree with Schumer and it should be legislative in stopping Zero Tolerance. Trump isn't going to stop so you are going to have to take him to court.
Cuomo is taking them to court. I think that is the only way to stop this. I would like to think I'm wrong and Trump will come around but we all know that isn't going to happen.
Yes we need immigration reform. Everyone agrees with that. Hardly anyone wants “open borders.”—this is another Trump talking point that all of his media outlets keep parroting...people on this very forum keeven keep saying it. That is fucking nonsense. Anyone with half a brain can see that it’s not an either or thing. The bottom line is Donald Trump is holding these kids hostage to force the democrats into funding an enormously expensive, and unnecessary wall that he spent two years brainwashing people into believing he would get Mexico to pay for.
You want a simple solution for Zero Tolerance? Here’s one: let Donald Trump own up to a mistake for once in his miserable life and reverse HIW OWN POLICY. Then we can still try to come to a solution for the immigration issue. But Zero tolerance is separate from that. It’s a manufactured issue created by the Trump administration to blackmail the democrats into funding a stupid idea that most of country doesn’t want anyway.
https://fpif.org/its-time-to-take-the-nazi-trump-comparisons-seriously/
Both Hitler and Trump used executive orders....um so did Obama. That's like the old wive's tail of the Lincoln and Kennedy assassination being somehow connected because both killers had three names lol. I still don't buy the comparison bud.
I didn’t dismiss the article I just stated it was ten months old. I figured you would have had something more current.
I'm reminded of this.First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Double allah be praised.mcgruff10 said:
8th graders.Halifax2TheMax said:
Not on here. This is his safe space when he’s not on a bus full of 6th graders, praise be to Allah.The Juggler said:
He teaches history??Halifax2TheMax said:
So the age of the article is your first determining factor for dismissal of the comparisons? All righty then. EOs in and of themselves are not bad and are constitutionally protected. It’s the nature and intent of the EOs that you should be concerned about. No mention of Team Trump Treason trying to direct the JD to seize 1400 IP addresses of critics? No mention of Team Trump Treason leading crowds in chants of lock her up? Without due process? No mention of the right wing propaganda machine that Team Trump Treason feeds with multiple lies a day? No mention of the denigration of a free press? And you teach history?mcgruff10 said:
The article is ten months old. Hitler and Trump both won with minority support. So W, Adams, Harrison and Hayes can also be compared to Hitler because they won with minority support?Halifax2TheMax said:
Yup, no comparisons at all. It’s just Team Trump Treason being Team Trump Treason. And still playing that they’re coming for your guns broken record?mcgruff10 said:
no. But if you believe otherwise then I think it is a no brainer to support the 2nd amendment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Are there any comparisons between the Team Trump Treason Administration and Nazi germany that can be made? A simple yes or no will do.mcgruff10 said:
I don't believe we are moving towards a fascist state at all. In your opinion, do you think there were darker days under Trump or W? Personally I thought W was much worse.The Juggler said:
Our country has greater checks and balances to not let that happen but we’re clearly moving towards a fascist state under this president/not away from one.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. And anyone with half a brain will realize that the nazi/American comparison thing is asinine.The Juggler said:
ZERO TOLERANCE IS NOT A LAW. IT IS A TRUMP POLICY THAT CAN BE REVERESED WITH ONE PHONE CALL BY DONALD FUCKING TRUMP.tempo_n_groove said:Since this thread isn't about immigration anymore let's get back to it, shall we?
After doing more research I remember why woman were coming from South America in droves with children. During the Obama admin they gave border agents the option to turn a blind eye or "catch and release" without arrest or detainment.
This got back to the other SA countries and they see it as a free pass to come in to the US.
Tbergs posted the "blackboard" of Bannon and all his points/outlines and the term "catch and release" was on it. It is one of the main campaign points of Trump.
Team Trump thinks that by having "Zero tolerance" will dismay the people from coming over but that hasn't happened and there is this inhumane mess there is right now.
This is why @The Juggler I disagree with Schumer and it should be legislative in stopping Zero Tolerance. Trump isn't going to stop so you are going to have to take him to court.
Cuomo is taking them to court. I think that is the only way to stop this. I would like to think I'm wrong and Trump will come around but we all know that isn't going to happen.
Yes we need immigration reform. Everyone agrees with that. Hardly anyone wants “open borders.”—this is another Trump talking point that all of his media outlets keep parroting...people on this very forum keeven keep saying it. That is fucking nonsense. Anyone with half a brain can see that it’s not an either or thing. The bottom line is Donald Trump is holding these kids hostage to force the democrats into funding an enormously expensive, and unnecessary wall that he spent two years brainwashing people into believing he would get Mexico to pay for.
You want a simple solution for Zero Tolerance? Here’s one: let Donald Trump own up to a mistake for once in his miserable life and reverse HIW OWN POLICY. Then we can still try to come to a solution for the immigration issue. But Zero tolerance is separate from that. It’s a manufactured issue created by the Trump administration to blackmail the democrats into funding a stupid idea that most of country doesn’t want anyway.
https://fpif.org/its-time-to-take-the-nazi-trump-comparisons-seriously/
Both Hitler and Trump used executive orders....um so did Obama. That's like the old wive's tail of the Lincoln and Kennedy assassination being somehow connected because both killers had three names lol. I still don't buy the comparison bud.
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I think we need to have beers sooner rather than later in order to fix all of this. I'll look into flights to halifax.Halifax2TheMax said:
Double allah be praised.mcgruff10 said:
8th graders.Halifax2TheMax said:
Not on here. This is his safe space when he’s not on a bus full of 6th graders, praise be to Allah.The Juggler said:
He teaches history??Halifax2TheMax said:
So the age of the article is your first determining factor for dismissal of the comparisons? All righty then. EOs in and of themselves are not bad and are constitutionally protected. It’s the nature and intent of the EOs that you should be concerned about. No mention of Team Trump Treason trying to direct the JD to seize 1400 IP addresses of critics? No mention of Team Trump Treason leading crowds in chants of lock her up? Without due process? No mention of the right wing propaganda machine that Team Trump Treason feeds with multiple lies a day? No mention of the denigration of a free press? And you teach history?mcgruff10 said:
The article is ten months old. Hitler and Trump both won with minority support. So W, Adams, Harrison and Hayes can also be compared to Hitler because they won with minority support?Halifax2TheMax said:
Yup, no comparisons at all. It’s just Team Trump Treason being Team Trump Treason. And still playing that they’re coming for your guns broken record?mcgruff10 said:
no. But if you believe otherwise then I think it is a no brainer to support the 2nd amendment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Are there any comparisons between the Team Trump Treason Administration and Nazi germany that can be made? A simple yes or no will do.mcgruff10 said:
I don't believe we are moving towards a fascist state at all. In your opinion, do you think there were darker days under Trump or W? Personally I thought W was much worse.The Juggler said:
Our country has greater checks and balances to not let that happen but we’re clearly moving towards a fascist state under this president/not away from one.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. And anyone with half a brain will realize that the nazi/American comparison thing is asinine.The Juggler said:
ZERO TOLERANCE IS NOT A LAW. IT IS A TRUMP POLICY THAT CAN BE REVERESED WITH ONE PHONE CALL BY DONALD FUCKING TRUMP.tempo_n_groove said:Since this thread isn't about immigration anymore let's get back to it, shall we?
After doing more research I remember why woman were coming from South America in droves with children. During the Obama admin they gave border agents the option to turn a blind eye or "catch and release" without arrest or detainment.
This got back to the other SA countries and they see it as a free pass to come in to the US.
Tbergs posted the "blackboard" of Bannon and all his points/outlines and the term "catch and release" was on it. It is one of the main campaign points of Trump.
Team Trump thinks that by having "Zero tolerance" will dismay the people from coming over but that hasn't happened and there is this inhumane mess there is right now.
This is why @The Juggler I disagree with Schumer and it should be legislative in stopping Zero Tolerance. Trump isn't going to stop so you are going to have to take him to court.
Cuomo is taking them to court. I think that is the only way to stop this. I would like to think I'm wrong and Trump will come around but we all know that isn't going to happen.
Yes we need immigration reform. Everyone agrees with that. Hardly anyone wants “open borders.”—this is another Trump talking point that all of his media outlets keep parroting...people on this very forum keeven keep saying it. That is fucking nonsense. Anyone with half a brain can see that it’s not an either or thing. The bottom line is Donald Trump is holding these kids hostage to force the democrats into funding an enormously expensive, and unnecessary wall that he spent two years brainwashing people into believing he would get Mexico to pay for.
You want a simple solution for Zero Tolerance? Here’s one: let Donald Trump own up to a mistake for once in his miserable life and reverse HIW OWN POLICY. Then we can still try to come to a solution for the immigration issue. But Zero tolerance is separate from that. It’s a manufactured issue created by the Trump administration to blackmail the democrats into funding a stupid idea that most of country doesn’t want anyway.
https://fpif.org/its-time-to-take-the-nazi-trump-comparisons-seriously/
Both Hitler and Trump used executive orders....um so did Obama. That's like the old wive's tail of the Lincoln and Kennedy assassination being somehow connected because both killers had three names lol. I still don't buy the comparison bud.
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Bring the band!mcgruff10 said:
I think we need to have beers sooner rather than later in order to fix all of this. I'll look into flights to halifax.Halifax2TheMax said:
Double allah be praised.mcgruff10 said:
8th graders.Halifax2TheMax said:
Not on here. This is his safe space when he’s not on a bus full of 6th graders, praise be to Allah.The Juggler said:
He teaches history??Halifax2TheMax said:
So the age of the article is your first determining factor for dismissal of the comparisons? All righty then. EOs in and of themselves are not bad and are constitutionally protected. It’s the nature and intent of the EOs that you should be concerned about. No mention of Team Trump Treason trying to direct the JD to seize 1400 IP addresses of critics? No mention of Team Trump Treason leading crowds in chants of lock her up? Without due process? No mention of the right wing propaganda machine that Team Trump Treason feeds with multiple lies a day? No mention of the denigration of a free press? And you teach history?mcgruff10 said:
The article is ten months old. Hitler and Trump both won with minority support. So W, Adams, Harrison and Hayes can also be compared to Hitler because they won with minority support?Halifax2TheMax said:
Yup, no comparisons at all. It’s just Team Trump Treason being Team Trump Treason. And still playing that they’re coming for your guns broken record?mcgruff10 said:
no. But if you believe otherwise then I think it is a no brainer to support the 2nd amendment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Are there any comparisons between the Team Trump Treason Administration and Nazi germany that can be made? A simple yes or no will do.mcgruff10 said:
I don't believe we are moving towards a fascist state at all. In your opinion, do you think there were darker days under Trump or W? Personally I thought W was much worse.The Juggler said:
Our country has greater checks and balances to not let that happen but we’re clearly moving towards a fascist state under this president/not away from one.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. And anyone with half a brain will realize that the nazi/American comparison thing is asinine.The Juggler said:
ZERO TOLERANCE IS NOT A LAW. IT IS A TRUMP POLICY THAT CAN BE REVERESED WITH ONE PHONE CALL BY DONALD FUCKING TRUMP.tempo_n_groove said:Since this thread isn't about immigration anymore let's get back to it, shall we?
After doing more research I remember why woman were coming from South America in droves with children. During the Obama admin they gave border agents the option to turn a blind eye or "catch and release" without arrest or detainment.
This got back to the other SA countries and they see it as a free pass to come in to the US.
Tbergs posted the "blackboard" of Bannon and all his points/outlines and the term "catch and release" was on it. It is one of the main campaign points of Trump.
Team Trump thinks that by having "Zero tolerance" will dismay the people from coming over but that hasn't happened and there is this inhumane mess there is right now.
This is why @The Juggler I disagree with Schumer and it should be legislative in stopping Zero Tolerance. Trump isn't going to stop so you are going to have to take him to court.
Cuomo is taking them to court. I think that is the only way to stop this. I would like to think I'm wrong and Trump will come around but we all know that isn't going to happen.
Yes we need immigration reform. Everyone agrees with that. Hardly anyone wants “open borders.”—this is another Trump talking point that all of his media outlets keep parroting...people on this very forum keeven keep saying it. That is fucking nonsense. Anyone with half a brain can see that it’s not an either or thing. The bottom line is Donald Trump is holding these kids hostage to force the democrats into funding an enormously expensive, and unnecessary wall that he spent two years brainwashing people into believing he would get Mexico to pay for.
You want a simple solution for Zero Tolerance? Here’s one: let Donald Trump own up to a mistake for once in his miserable life and reverse HIW OWN POLICY. Then we can still try to come to a solution for the immigration issue. But Zero tolerance is separate from that. It’s a manufactured issue created by the Trump administration to blackmail the democrats into funding a stupid idea that most of country doesn’t want anyway.
https://fpif.org/its-time-to-take-the-nazi-trump-comparisons-seriously/
Both Hitler and Trump used executive orders....um so did Obama. That's like the old wive's tail of the Lincoln and Kennedy assassination being somehow connected because both killers had three names lol. I still don't buy the comparison bud.
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He wants to kill his neighbours? He wants a civil war?tempo_n_groove said:
I'll be labeled as naive on this as I see Trump preaching to the choir. I don't think that he controls any of it, that's just his base and it's like brand loyalty. Like MSNBC just goes the complete opposite direction of the GOP. If GOP says white then MSNBC says black...The Juggler said:
Dude. This is America. You act as if the president controlling one news network is a minor offense. It is an affront to our democracy. Literally. It’s state controlled media. And it’s not really one, but it’s clearly the major one. Then you throw in Breitbart, that One America channel, and possibly worse of all, Sinclair Broadcasting which controls hundreds of local channels—it’s fucking scary when you think about how fast this is happening. Then, of course, you have the president on a daily/hourly basis discrediting literally EVERY OTHER NEWS OUTLET who reports on him critically and....yeah, man—this is how it starts. It’s by the book. They’re not even hiding it. I can’t believe I have to explain this to you. A third of this country isn’t thinking for themselves. I keep saying this not to be demeaning or anything but, really: OPEN YOUR EYES. This is happening right now and people just don’t want to acknowledge it or are just so happy with the economy (that they’ve been conditioned by Trump and his media outlets to believe got better on 1/20/17 instead of 8 years ago) that they turn the other cheek.tempo_n_groove said:
This is controlling the media? One news outlet? Really?The Juggler said:
What are you talking about?? Schumer is correct. This isn’t a law. This doesn’t need a congressional fix. Trump can put an end to his own policy of separating children from their parents by simply telling his justice department to stop enforcing his own policy.tempo_n_groove said:
I don’t see Trump controlling the media or him bringing religion and govt together.oftenreading said:tempo_n_groove said:
Forgive me if I don't think we are in dark times or the dawn of a new Hitler is upon us.HesCalledDyer said:
So we just let it go on for 8 years? Then the next Trumpian asshat that takes office continues? How about we learn from history and stop it now while we have a shot instead of perpetuating it because “at best it’s only 8 years.”tempo_n_groove said:
Hitler went on for over 20 years...Halifax2TheMax said:
Are you saying that no comparisons can be made to Hitler or the Nazi Party? None because we haven’t had a holocaust? Yet?MakingWaves said:If you are trying to compare this to the holocaust then yes...go fuck yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power
Didnt happen overnight. Started in 1923. Small, subtle, incremental steps, baby steps if you will. I’m sorry you can’t see that nor know the history and the underpinnings. But hey Team Trump Treason is said to own one book, Mein Kampf so there is that.
At best Trump will be in power for 8.
I do remember the right claiming that Obama was doing the same thing, turning America into Nazi Germany. He was going to disarm us, make friends with our enemies, so on and so on.
The way of thinking now has moved from one extreme to the other. Every angle and counter argument is extreme now.
There is no way, no way we go down that dark path. That list posted above was being thrown around with Obama too...
If that list was indeed thrown around with Obama, would you not at least agree it was with far less reason? When was Obama ever seen to display "rampant sexism", "disdain for human rights", or entwining church and state? And hasn't Trump displayed all of these, and more on the list?
On another note Schumer shot down legislation to keep the immigrant families together saying that Trump could end this with his own and doesn’t need to be legislative.
Ive got problems with this. It’s more of govt banging their heads against the wall and pointing more fingers. No one is doing anything...
Cuomo is suing the Trump admin though for human rights so at least someone is doing it.
Thoughts?
And Trump doesn’t control the media? Hahaha...that is ducking hilarious. He has one network parroting his talking points 24 hours a day. He fucking live tweets it.
This is how it starts. It’s happening. Wake up.
I have a cousin that is a very stark conservative and he spews the same garbage you are right now. He thinks that a war is coming and that a new movement is coming. He believes that we are going to have a civil war and he wants that...
I am woke, I am paying attention. I Just don't see the sky as falling. I see people pointing out so far off extreme talking points that it sounds absurd.
Do we have some work to do to make us better? Yes.
Back to the news outlets. When has Fox ever backed a Democrat? I don't recall.
When has the other news outlets endorsed a republican? I don't recall.
The news thing has been going on for as long as I can remember. I view the news and politics now as trying to split us up and make us draw lines in the sand, choose a side, but that is just me I guess. I'm naive and need to open my eyes...
Wtf is wrong with America? People have lost their f**king minds.
I change my mind on gun control... stock up if there are f**wads eager for a civil war. Geezuz.
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My cousin is an idiot though. Smartest dumb person I know. Breitbart, Fox, all his favorites. He leans alt right almost... It's sad.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
He wants to kill his neighbours? He wants a civil war?tempo_n_groove said:
I'll be labeled as naive on this as I see Trump preaching to the choir. I don't think that he controls any of it, that's just his base and it's like brand loyalty. Like MSNBC just goes the complete opposite direction of the GOP. If GOP says white then MSNBC says black...The Juggler said:
Dude. This is America. You act as if the president controlling one news network is a minor offense. It is an affront to our democracy. Literally. It’s state controlled media. And it’s not really one, but it’s clearly the major one. Then you throw in Breitbart, that One America channel, and possibly worse of all, Sinclair Broadcasting which controls hundreds of local channels—it’s fucking scary when you think about how fast this is happening. Then, of course, you have the president on a daily/hourly basis discrediting literally EVERY OTHER NEWS OUTLET who reports on him critically and....yeah, man—this is how it starts. It’s by the book. They’re not even hiding it. I can’t believe I have to explain this to you. A third of this country isn’t thinking for themselves. I keep saying this not to be demeaning or anything but, really: OPEN YOUR EYES. This is happening right now and people just don’t want to acknowledge it or are just so happy with the economy (that they’ve been conditioned by Trump and his media outlets to believe got better on 1/20/17 instead of 8 years ago) that they turn the other cheek.tempo_n_groove said:
This is controlling the media? One news outlet? Really?The Juggler said:
What are you talking about?? Schumer is correct. This isn’t a law. This doesn’t need a congressional fix. Trump can put an end to his own policy of separating children from their parents by simply telling his justice department to stop enforcing his own policy.tempo_n_groove said:
I don’t see Trump controlling the media or him bringing religion and govt together.oftenreading said:tempo_n_groove said:
Forgive me if I don't think we are in dark times or the dawn of a new Hitler is upon us.HesCalledDyer said:
So we just let it go on for 8 years? Then the next Trumpian asshat that takes office continues? How about we learn from history and stop it now while we have a shot instead of perpetuating it because “at best it’s only 8 years.”tempo_n_groove said:
Hitler went on for over 20 years...Halifax2TheMax said:
Are you saying that no comparisons can be made to Hitler or the Nazi Party? None because we haven’t had a holocaust? Yet?MakingWaves said:If you are trying to compare this to the holocaust then yes...go fuck yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power
Didnt happen overnight. Started in 1923. Small, subtle, incremental steps, baby steps if you will. I’m sorry you can’t see that nor know the history and the underpinnings. But hey Team Trump Treason is said to own one book, Mein Kampf so there is that.
At best Trump will be in power for 8.
I do remember the right claiming that Obama was doing the same thing, turning America into Nazi Germany. He was going to disarm us, make friends with our enemies, so on and so on.
The way of thinking now has moved from one extreme to the other. Every angle and counter argument is extreme now.
There is no way, no way we go down that dark path. That list posted above was being thrown around with Obama too...
If that list was indeed thrown around with Obama, would you not at least agree it was with far less reason? When was Obama ever seen to display "rampant sexism", "disdain for human rights", or entwining church and state? And hasn't Trump displayed all of these, and more on the list?
On another note Schumer shot down legislation to keep the immigrant families together saying that Trump could end this with his own and doesn’t need to be legislative.
Ive got problems with this. It’s more of govt banging their heads against the wall and pointing more fingers. No one is doing anything...
Cuomo is suing the Trump admin though for human rights so at least someone is doing it.
Thoughts?
And Trump doesn’t control the media? Hahaha...that is ducking hilarious. He has one network parroting his talking points 24 hours a day. He fucking live tweets it.
This is how it starts. It’s happening. Wake up.
I have a cousin that is a very stark conservative and he spews the same garbage you are right now. He thinks that a war is coming and that a new movement is coming. He believes that we are going to have a civil war and he wants that...
I am woke, I am paying attention. I Just don't see the sky as falling. I see people pointing out so far off extreme talking points that it sounds absurd.
Do we have some work to do to make us better? Yes.
Back to the news outlets. When has Fox ever backed a Democrat? I don't recall.
When has the other news outlets endorsed a republican? I don't recall.
The news thing has been going on for as long as I can remember. I view the news and politics now as trying to split us up and make us draw lines in the sand, choose a side, but that is just me I guess. I'm naive and need to open my eyes...
Wtf is wrong with America? People have lost their f**king minds.
I change my mind on gun control... stock up if there are f**wads eager for a civil war. Geezuz.
I know there are others like him but they are few and far between but I'm sure a bunch on here will say something like there are 61million or something rhetorical like that...0 -
I've mentioned this on here 4 times now and nobody cared.Ledbetterman10 said:
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And this is why the comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not correct; his own party is criticizing him. If anybody did that to Hitler they would be dead or sent to the Eastern Front.
Cruz's flip-flop on family separation shows threat to GOP
Sen. Ted Cruz does a dramatic about-face on U.S. family separation policyAUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Ted Cruz has staged a dramatic about-face on the Trump administration's "zero tolerance" immigration policies, laying bare how politically damaging the issue of separating children from parents accused of crossing the border illegally is becoming for Republicans facing voters this fall.
The Texas senator, who has become a frequent ally of President Donald Trump, initially blasted criticism of the White House crackdown.
"When you see Democrats saying, 'Don't separate kids from their parents,' what they're really saying is don't arrest illegal aliens," he said last week
But he's now softened substantially, telling reporters in Washington on Tuesday, "All of us are horrified at the images we're seeing." Cruz also said he talked with the White House about legislation he introduced to stop family separations.
It is striking that a leading conservative insurgent could flip-flop in a deep-red state where hardline immigration policies are exceedingly popular. But Cruz's change of heart underscores the chorus of bipartisan politicians and civic and religious leaders across the country who've said such tactics are unacceptable — even as the Trump administration has vowed to stand by them.
Cruz's push for legislation comes as Beto O'Rourke, the Democratic congressman giving up his seat to challenge the incumbent in November, has moved quickly to criticize the family separations and, in the process, raise his national profile. O'Rourke led a Father's Day march to a Texas desert tent city which federal authorities hastily erected to house immigrant children.
"There's an open question right now about who we are and what we stand for and what we're going to do in the face of this injustice and this inhumanity," O'Rourke said by phone.
A former punk rocker, O'Rourke has waged a high energy campaign and often outraised Cruz. He remains a longshot since Texas hasn't elected a Democrat to statewide office since 1994, but family separation may be proving too thorny a topic even for a Republican facing a relatively easy path to midterm re-election.
"The needle that Cruz is trying to thread is he wants to end separation but also maintain rule of law," said Matt Mackowiak, a Texas GOP strategist who added, "He's recognizing that this separation issue is explosive."
More than 2,300 minors were separated from their families at the border from May 5 through June 9, according to the Department of Homeland Security. That's under a policy announced by Attorney General Jeff Sessions that refers all cases of illegal entry — even those when people crossing sought asylum to remain in the U.S. — for criminal prosecution. The government previously limited prosecution for many family entrants, partly because children aren't charged with a crime and can't be detained with their parents.
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tempo_n_groove said:
My cousin is an idiot though. Smartest dumb person I know. Breitbart, Fox, all his favorites. He leans alt right almost... It's sad.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
He wants to kill his neighbours? He wants a civil war?tempo_n_groove said:
I'll be labeled as naive on this as I see Trump preaching to the choir. I don't think that he controls any of it, that's just his base and it's like brand loyalty. Like MSNBC just goes the complete opposite direction of the GOP. If GOP says white then MSNBC says black...The Juggler said:
Dude. This is America. You act as if the president controlling one news network is a minor offense. It is an affront to our democracy. Literally. It’s state controlled media. And it’s not really one, but it’s clearly the major one. Then you throw in Breitbart, that One America channel, and possibly worse of all, Sinclair Broadcasting which controls hundreds of local channels—it’s fucking scary when you think about how fast this is happening. Then, of course, you have the president on a daily/hourly basis discrediting literally EVERY OTHER NEWS OUTLET who reports on him critically and....yeah, man—this is how it starts. It’s by the book. They’re not even hiding it. I can’t believe I have to explain this to you. A third of this country isn’t thinking for themselves. I keep saying this not to be demeaning or anything but, really: OPEN YOUR EYES. This is happening right now and people just don’t want to acknowledge it or are just so happy with the economy (that they’ve been conditioned by Trump and his media outlets to believe got better on 1/20/17 instead of 8 years ago) that they turn the other cheek.tempo_n_groove said:
This is controlling the media? One news outlet? Really?The Juggler said:
What are you talking about?? Schumer is correct. This isn’t a law. This doesn’t need a congressional fix. Trump can put an end to his own policy of separating children from their parents by simply telling his justice department to stop enforcing his own policy.tempo_n_groove said:
I don’t see Trump controlling the media or him bringing religion and govt together.oftenreading said:tempo_n_groove said:
Forgive me if I don't think we are in dark times or the dawn of a new Hitler is upon us.HesCalledDyer said:
So we just let it go on for 8 years? Then the next Trumpian asshat that takes office continues? How about we learn from history and stop it now while we have a shot instead of perpetuating it because “at best it’s only 8 years.”tempo_n_groove said:
Hitler went on for over 20 years...Halifax2TheMax said:
Are you saying that no comparisons can be made to Hitler or the Nazi Party? None because we haven’t had a holocaust? Yet?MakingWaves said:If you are trying to compare this to the holocaust then yes...go fuck yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power
Didnt happen overnight. Started in 1923. Small, subtle, incremental steps, baby steps if you will. I’m sorry you can’t see that nor know the history and the underpinnings. But hey Team Trump Treason is said to own one book, Mein Kampf so there is that.
At best Trump will be in power for 8.
I do remember the right claiming that Obama was doing the same thing, turning America into Nazi Germany. He was going to disarm us, make friends with our enemies, so on and so on.
The way of thinking now has moved from one extreme to the other. Every angle and counter argument is extreme now.
There is no way, no way we go down that dark path. That list posted above was being thrown around with Obama too...
If that list was indeed thrown around with Obama, would you not at least agree it was with far less reason? When was Obama ever seen to display "rampant sexism", "disdain for human rights", or entwining church and state? And hasn't Trump displayed all of these, and more on the list?
On another note Schumer shot down legislation to keep the immigrant families together saying that Trump could end this with his own and doesn’t need to be legislative.
Ive got problems with this. It’s more of govt banging their heads against the wall and pointing more fingers. No one is doing anything...
Cuomo is suing the Trump admin though for human rights so at least someone is doing it.
Thoughts?
And Trump doesn’t control the media? Hahaha...that is ducking hilarious. He has one network parroting his talking points 24 hours a day. He fucking live tweets it.
This is how it starts. It’s happening. Wake up.
I have a cousin that is a very stark conservative and he spews the same garbage you are right now. He thinks that a war is coming and that a new movement is coming. He believes that we are going to have a civil war and he wants that...
I am woke, I am paying attention. I Just don't see the sky as falling. I see people pointing out so far off extreme talking points that it sounds absurd.
Do we have some work to do to make us better? Yes.
Back to the news outlets. When has Fox ever backed a Democrat? I don't recall.
When has the other news outlets endorsed a republican? I don't recall.
The news thing has been going on for as long as I can remember. I view the news and politics now as trying to split us up and make us draw lines in the sand, choose a side, but that is just me I guess. I'm naive and need to open my eyes...
Wtf is wrong with America? People have lost their f**king minds.
I change my mind on gun control... stock up if there are f**wads eager for a civil war. Geezuz.
I know there are others like him but they are few and far between but I'm sure a bunch on here will say something like there are 61million or something rhetorical like that...
is your cousins name @unsung? lol0
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