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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,067
    tbergs said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    I am so embarrassed to live in this country
    I am not embarrassed because this isn't what our country is about and not what the majority of the country agree with. It is completely ridiculous how a minority can rule this country like a dictatorship on topics of their choosing and completely ignore others like they don't exist. Illegal immigration is a problem, but horrible policy is not the solution. Won't it be great in 10 - 15 years when all of these kids are adults and recounting their stories of all the "fun" and "comforts" they experienced in an empty box store. Oh wait, probably not. This will be looked back on in the same regard as we do now in respect to the Japanese internment camps. A horrible action to try and sell us a fucking wall that this pile of shit said another country would pay for. To paraphrase and alter another shit president's assessment of a wall, "Pay for your own fucking wall Mr. Trump!"
    I don't know man.  60 million plus people voted for this fuck and are coming out of the wood work.

    There is a party in his country with a rubber fucking spine and it's only going to get worse, with people retiring over standing up to someone.

    We're fucked.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,067
    'MERICA



  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    Don't worry guys, this is like going to a scary movie. The kids will get over it.

    Plus, the toddlers can watch the world Cup. Who needs a mom and dad when you have that? How bad could it be?
    No one has said that. Why does everyone insist on misquoting those that disagree with you?
    What I did say is how bad of a comparison this is to Jewish children in concentration camps.
    i have a problem separating these kids when they are not united within a few hours.
    i also have a problem comparing this to Nazi concentration camps and saying this is just the first step towards Nazi Germany.
    Tell the story like it is, talk about how inhumane it is, how scared the kids are. But don’t compare it to the murder of 6 million people and the harsh labor camps of millions more.
    You keep missing the point that others make when making that comparison. 

    You also say that none of these kids are being physically harmed, experts in child development say they are.

    You also seem to have more of a problem with people equating this to Nazi's then you do with the actual act of separating children from their parents.
    "I don’t like them being separated either.
    But it is even more ridiculous to compare it to the haulocost and all the absolutely horrible things that happened."

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,801
    josevolution said:
    The normalization of all evil deeds is full on from this president..
    he made it ok to sexually abuse women
    he made it ok to mock people with disabilities 
    He made it ok to mock prisoners of war 
    he made ok to trash Muslim fallen soldier 
    he has made it normal to look in awe of dictators and to praise them ! 
    He has made it ok to separate children from parents !
    A total human disgrace he is there is no way you can defend him or paint him in a good light , he’s a gross human ! 
    Perfectly said, Jose.  Spot on.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

    ‘At Least During the Internment …’ Are Words I Thought I’d Never Utter

    I was sent to a camp at just five years old — but even then, they didn't separate children from families  


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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,067
    My 4 month old wouldn't sleep this morning unless I was touching her.  She needed that comfort.  Now add 5 years of cognitive ability, feelings and love to that and imagine what these kids are going through.  All because their parents are trying to give them a better life than they had
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,057
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    Don't worry guys, this is like going to a scary movie. The kids will get over it.

    Plus, the toddlers can watch the world Cup. Who needs a mom and dad when you have that? How bad could it be?
    No one has said that. Why does everyone insist on misquoting those that disagree with you?
    What I did say is how bad of a comparison this is to Jewish children in concentration camps.
    i have a problem separating these kids when they are not united within a few hours.
    i also have a problem comparing this to Nazi concentration camps and saying this is just the first step towards Nazi Germany.
    Tell the story like it is, talk about how inhumane it is, how scared the kids are. But don’t compare it to the murder of 6 million people and the harsh labor camps of millions more.
    You keep missing the point that others make when making that comparison. 

    You also say that none of these kids are being physically harmed, experts in child development say they are.

    You also seem to have more of a problem with people equating this to Nazi's then you do with the actual act of separating children from their parents.
    "I don’t like them being separated either.
    But it is even more ridiculous to compare it to the haulocost and all the absolutely horrible things that happened."

    Experts say they are being emotionally harmed. I have yet to see a single report of physical abuse.
    im not okay with emotional abuse, but there is a difference and I was talking about one and you’re referring to the other.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,945
    dignin said:

    ‘At Least During the Internment …’ Are Words I Thought I’d Never Utter

    I was sent to a camp at just five years old — but even then, they didn't separate children from families  


    GEORGE TAKEI

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/19/at-least-during-the-internment-are-words-i-thought-id-never-utter-family-separation-children-border/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
    Judge Ito from the oj case was in one also.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,237
    edited June 2018
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    Don't worry guys, this is like going to a scary movie. The kids will get over it.

    Plus, the toddlers can watch the world Cup. Who needs a mom and dad when you have that? How bad could it be?
    No one has said that. Why does everyone insist on misquoting those that disagree with you?
    What I did say is how bad of a comparison this is to Jewish children in concentration camps.
    i have a problem separating these kids when they are not united within a few hours.
    i also have a problem comparing this to Nazi concentration camps and saying this is just the first step towards Nazi Germany.
    Tell the story like it is, talk about how inhumane it is, how scared the kids are. But don’t compare it to the murder of 6 million people and the harsh labor camps of millions more.
    You keep missing the point that others make when making that comparison. 

    You also say that none of these kids are being physically harmed, experts in child development say they are.

    You also seem to have more of a problem with people equating this to Nazi's then you do with the actual act of separating children from their parents.
    "I don’t like them being separated either.
    But it is even more ridiculous to compare it to the haulocost and all the absolutely horrible things that happened."

    Experts say they are being emotionally harmed. I have yet to see a single report of physical abuse.
    im not okay with emotional abuse, but there is a difference and I was talking about one and you’re referring to the other.
    Tell that to the woman who was told by the Texas sheriff that she’d be deported if she said anything about his molesting her 4 year old daughter. He’s been indicted and yes, it didn’t happen in the camps but since none of us know really what’s going on with female detainees, how can you say there hasn’t been physical harm? Only because it hasn’t been reported? And by the way, emotional harm is more lasting and devastating than physical harm. I’m disgusted by the lengths some will go to defend this abhorrent policy or Team Trump Treason, in any aspect.                                                            
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,251
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    my2hands said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Smellyman said:
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    Good times! 

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    Law enforcement becoming sub human down there.  Sickening what they are doing.

    What step is this now.

    Leader dehumanizing a people, State News helping with propaganda, getting your base to agree and now law enforcement to blindly follow orders.

    Unbelievable. It truly is.

    Trade wars, constant lies, and moronic tweets are one thing, but the treatment of these people and his developing friendships with Russia and North Korea are on a whole other level.

    I don't blame him- he is what he always has been: a morally bankrupt f**king parasite. The blame for this sad chapter for the US lies squarely on his supporters who empowered him. If you're a fool that voted for this guy... you got what you asked for so bask in your glory.

    Things aren't changing with him. They actually seem to be escalating.
    His base loves this as do most of those who voted for him. You see it in this thread.
     

    There's been a few around here who have sheepishly admitted to their error and have seen the light.

    If a person can correct their error, I'm okay with them. As the old saying goes: There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

    how about the people that say they didn't vote for him, but now say they are impressed by him so far?
    We should separate them from society and ensure they do not procreate. Ain't nobody got time for that.
    At the very least ostracize them and publicly shame them for having different opinions! No one’s allowed to think differently than me! Sesame Street was right on with “one of these things is not like the other. One of these things does not belong!”
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,501
    edited June 2018
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    Don't worry guys, this is like going to a scary movie. The kids will get over it.

    Plus, the toddlers can watch the world Cup. Who needs a mom and dad when you have that? How bad could it be?
    No one has said that. Why does everyone insist on misquoting those that disagree with you?
    What I did say is how bad of a comparison this is to Jewish children in concentration camps.
    i have a problem separating these kids when they are not united within a few hours.
    i also have a problem comparing this to Nazi concentration camps and saying this is just the first step towards Nazi Germany.
    Tell the story like it is, talk about how inhumane it is, how scared the kids are. But don’t compare it to the murder of 6 million people and the harsh labor camps of millions more.
    You keep missing the point that others make when making that comparison. 

    You also say that none of these kids are being physically harmed, experts in child development say they are.

    You also seem to have more of a problem with people equating this to Nazi's then you do with the actual act of separating children from their parents.
    "I don’t like them being separated either.
    But it is even more ridiculous to compare it to the haulocost and all the absolutely horrible things that happened."

    Experts say they are being emotionally harmed. I have yet to see a single report of physical abuse.
    im not okay with emotional abuse, but there is a difference and I was talking about one and you’re referring to the other.
    If "illegal is illegal" as the camp that supports this inhumane, racist bullshit claims, then just as so we'll claim that "abuse is abuse."
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    edited June 2018
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    Don't worry guys, this is like going to a scary movie. The kids will get over it.

    Plus, the toddlers can watch the world Cup. Who needs a mom and dad when you have that? How bad could it be?
    No one has said that. Why does everyone insist on misquoting those that disagree with you?
    What I did say is how bad of a comparison this is to Jewish children in concentration camps.
    i have a problem separating these kids when they are not united within a few hours.
    i also have a problem comparing this to Nazi concentration camps and saying this is just the first step towards Nazi Germany.
    Tell the story like it is, talk about how inhumane it is, how scared the kids are. But don’t compare it to the murder of 6 million people and the harsh labor camps of millions more.
    You keep missing the point that others make when making that comparison. 

    You also say that none of these kids are being physically harmed, experts in child development say they are.

    You also seem to have more of a problem with people equating this to Nazi's then you do with the actual act of separating children from their parents.
    "I don’t like them being separated either.
    But it is even more ridiculous to compare it to the haulocost and all the absolutely horrible things that happened."

    Experts say they are being emotionally harmed. I have yet to see a single report of physical abuse.
    im not okay with emotional abuse, but there is a difference and I was talking about one and you’re referring to the other.
    Removal of young children from the caregivers to whom they are attached and keeping them in situations in which their new “caregivers” are forbidden to touch them, in which even their own siblings are forbidden to give them a hug or wipe their tears, is not just emotionally harmful but physiologically damaging. There are demonstrable changes in neurobiology that are serious and can be permanent. 

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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,513
    edited June 2018
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    Don't worry guys, this is like going to a scary movie. The kids will get over it.

    Plus, the toddlers can watch the world Cup. Who needs a mom and dad when you have that? How bad could it be?
    No one has said that. Why does everyone insist on misquoting those that disagree with you?
    What I did say is how bad of a comparison this is to Jewish children in concentration camps.
    i have a problem separating these kids when they are not united within a few hours.
    i also have a problem comparing this to Nazi concentration camps and saying this is just the first step towards Nazi Germany.
    Tell the story like it is, talk about how inhumane it is, how scared the kids are. But don’t compare it to the murder of 6 million people and the harsh labor camps of millions more.
    You keep missing the point that others make when making that comparison. 

    You also say that none of these kids are being physically harmed, experts in child development say they are.

    You also seem to have more of a problem with people equating this to Nazi's then you do with the actual act of separating children from their parents.
    "I don’t like them being separated either.
    But it is even more ridiculous to compare it to the haulocost and all the absolutely horrible things that happened."

    Experts say they are being emotionally harmed. I have yet to see a single report of physical abuse.
    im not okay with emotional abuse, but there is a difference and I was talking about one and you’re referring to the other.
    I've yet to hear a lot about the actuality of what's happening in these places. How the fuck would we ever even determine if child abuse, whether by the people there or other kids, is happening? They've created Lord of the Flies x100 in a warehouse. Maybe I'm being too extreme, but I think of group homes and the type of abuse that occurs in a lot of those and there's no way there isn't some of that happening even at a minimal level. Your a kid separated from your parents with a lot of strangers and know how you are being viewed. Would you report abuse? Hell no, you'd shut up and keep your head low and hope you get through it.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Bentleyspop
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    edited June 2018
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,801
    Anybody trying to down-play how wrong this action of separating children from parents should be ashamed and deserve to be shamed.  Why some here would try to make this situation seem less harsh than it is, is completely confounding.  How can that be?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    Don't worry guys, this is like going to a scary movie. The kids will get over it.

    Plus, the toddlers can watch the world Cup. Who needs a mom and dad when you have that? How bad could it be?
    No one has said that. Why does everyone insist on misquoting those that disagree with you?
    What I did say is how bad of a comparison this is to Jewish children in concentration camps.
    i have a problem separating these kids when they are not united within a few hours.
    i also have a problem comparing this to Nazi concentration camps and saying this is just the first step towards Nazi Germany.
    Tell the story like it is, talk about how inhumane it is, how scared the kids are. But don’t compare it to the murder of 6 million people and the harsh labor camps of millions more.
    You keep missing the point that others make when making that comparison. 

    You also say that none of these kids are being physically harmed, experts in child development say they are.

    You also seem to have more of a problem with people equating this to Nazi's then you do with the actual act of separating children from their parents.
    "I don’t like them being separated either.
    But it is even more ridiculous to compare it to the haulocost and all the absolutely horrible things that happened."

    Experts say they are being emotionally harmed. I have yet to see a single report of physical abuse.
    im not okay with emotional abuse, but there is a difference and I was talking about one and you’re referring to the other.


    Such a situation could have long-term, devastating effects on young children, who are likely to develop what is called toxic stress in their brain once separated from caregivers or parents they trusted. It disrupts a child’s brain development and increases the levels of fight-or-flight hormones in their bodies, Kraft said. This kind of emotional trauma could eventually lead to health problems, such as heart disease and substance abuse disorders.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/06/16/america-is-better-than-this-what-a-doctor-saw-in-a-texas-shelter-for-migrant-children/?utm_term=.95b8feb91f4c


  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,513
    Why is anyone defending this? You're selling yourself a bag of shit.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,237
    tbergs said:
    Why is anyone defending this? You're selling yourself a bag of shit.
    Because they’re okay with it. “There’s good on both sides.” Team Trump Treason is keeping us safe from evil doers is the justification. 
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  • josevolution
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    Don't worry guys, this is like going to a scary movie. The kids will get over it.

    Plus, the toddlers can watch the world Cup. Who needs a mom and dad when you have that? How bad could it be?
    No one has said that. Why does everyone insist on misquoting those that disagree with you?
    What I did say is how bad of a comparison this is to Jewish children in concentration camps.
    i have a problem separating these kids when they are not united within a few hours.
    i also have a problem comparing this to Nazi concentration camps and saying this is just the first step towards Nazi Germany.
    Tell the story like it is, talk about how inhumane it is, how scared the kids are. But don’t compare it to the murder of 6 million people and the harsh labor camps of millions more.
    You keep missing the point that others make when making that comparison. 

    You also say that none of these kids are being physically harmed, experts in child development say they are.

    You also seem to have more of a problem with people equating this to Nazi's then you do with the actual act of separating children from their parents.
    "I don’t like them being separated either.
    But it is even more ridiculous to compare it to the haulocost and all the absolutely horrible things that happened."

    Experts say they are being emotionally harmed. I have yet to see a single report of physical abuse.
    im not okay with emotional abuse, but there is a difference and I was talking about one and you’re referring to the other.
    Tell that to the woman who was told by the Texas sheriff that she’d be deported if she said anything about his molesting her 4 year old daughter. He’s been indicted and yes, it didn’t happen in the camps but since none of us know really what’s going on with female detainees, how can you say there hasn’t been physical harm? Only because it hasn’t been reported? And by the way, emotional harm is more lasting and devastating than physical harm. I’m disgusted by the lengths some will go to defend this abhorrent policy or Team Trump Treason, in any aspect.                                                            

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