14 years and counting...

PJ_Soul

LongestRoad said:

josevolution said:

LongestRoad said:

josevolution said:

Just think about it while you or I are at work there’s thousands of kids missing their parents , yeah I know it’s their fault for trying to come here illegally but the penalty does not fit the crime ..have a great work week and know our taxes are paying for this mess and they are running out of space to house these kids this administration is looking for places to store them ....fuck you Baffoon & Sessions !

You realize the immigration crackdown started back in 1997. This country has already been doing this for years. It's terrible that children are being seperated from their parents. I know there's a lot of hardworking people that are being deported that are here due to the crime and poverty in their countries. I hope the process for re-entry can be speeded up for those families. Now for the low life criminals that are getting deported that are doing harm to our country, good riddence. If children are being seperated from a criminal parent as sad as that is, it's just like a child being seperated from a parent who has to do time in prison for a crime. I hope it changes and they help parents that deserve help with becoming legal so they're not be seperated from their children. I hope people entering this country won't expect to get assistance that isn't available to the citizens of this country. You're welcome here if you plan on working and paying taxes. Don't come here and immediately expect a free ride. 
https://www.huffingtonpost/2014/06/25/parents-deportation_n_5531552.html
There are lots of articles on the web that talk about the inmigration laws since 1997

Then why all the outcry from everyone if this is so normal ?

It's not normal in my book but the liberal media love the ratings and the politicians who have been lining their pockets for years and don't like not running the country like politicians do, are out to go back to their old ways. They are flat out lying if they try to say they weren't already doing this. I can't wait until congress gets the two term limit imposed by the way.  The bs that Nancy  Bush is saying about how horrible it is...I guess she wasn't paying attention to what was going on when her husband was in office. 

No, what's happening now was NOT happening under the Dems (or Bush). I'm not sure where you're getting that idea, but wherever it is, you should stop listening to the source because it's just plain wrong.

brianlux

So much of all this anger about Hispanics crossing the border is completely missing a few important factors.   Like the fact that many are actually smuggled in by big agra because they don't want to pay legit wages and benefits to American citizens to do the work of picking.  Or the fact that most Americans somehow think that is dishonorable or even deplorable work (well, it is hard work, I can tell you that having done it a few months myself.  But, damn, it's honest work.) So we seem to need these people but don't want them.  And then, instead of finding reasonable solutions and treating them decently, we treat these people worse than cattle.  Are we a nation of over-privileged, spoiled rotten brats or what?

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

So much of all this anger about Hispanics crossing the border is completely missing a few important factors.   Like the fact that many are actually smuggled in by big agra because they don't want to pay legit wages and benefits to American citizens to do the work of picking.  Or the fact that most Americans somehow think that is dishonorable or even deplorable work (well, it is hard work, I can tell you that having done it a few months myself.  But, damn, it's honest work.) So we seem to need these people but don't want them.  And then, instead of finding reasonable solutions and treating them decently, we treat these people worse than cattle.  Are we a nation of over-privileged, spoiled rotten brats or what?

Anthony Bourdain wrote a good piece about that in the context of Mexicans (though I don't want people to forget these people seeking life in the USA are not all Mexican - many are South American) before he died:

https://medium.com/@okhateeb/anthony-bourdain-on-mexicans-1b58059d69c7

The other thing America has obviously forgotten: Americans took the Southwestern states from Mexicans through war. For some reason this means a lot more to people when speaking of First Nations, but not so much when it comes to Mexicans.

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

So much of all this anger about Hispanics crossing the border is completely missing a few important factors.   Like the fact that many are actually smuggled in by big agra because they don't want to pay legit wages and benefits to American citizens to do the work of picking.  Or the fact that most Americans somehow think that is dishonorable or even deplorable work (well, it is hard work, I can tell you that having done it a few months myself.  But, damn, it's honest work.) So we seem to need these people but don't want them.  And then, instead of finding reasonable solutions and treating them decently, we treat these people worse than cattle.  Are we a nation of over-privileged, spoiled rotten brats or what?

Anthony Bourdain wrote a good piece about that in the context of Mexicans (though I don't want people to forget these people seeking life in the USA are not all Mexican - many are South American) before he died:

https://medium.com/@okhateeb/anthony-bourdain-on-mexicans-1b58059d69c7

The other thing America has obviously forgotten: Americans took the Southwestern states from Mexicans through war. For some reason this means a lot more to people when speaking of First Nations, but not so much when it comes to Mexicans.

Great points, and that article-- perfectly put!  What a marvelous piece!  I hope everyone reading this thread takes a few minutes to read it.  Thank you for posting this, Alison. 

And, damn, I'm sorry Anthony is no longer with us.  Heartbreaking all over again.

dignin

The Government Has No Plan for Reuniting the Immigrant Families It Is Tearing Apart

"No protocols have been put in place for keeping track of parents and children concurrently, for keeping parents and children in contact with each other while they are separated, or for eventually reuniting them"

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-government-has-no-plan-for-reuniting-the-immigrant-families-it-is-tearing-apart

brianlux

dignin said:

The Government Has No Plan for Reuniting the Immigrant Families It Is Tearing Apart

"No protocols have been put in place for keeping track of parents and children concurrently, for keeping parents and children in contact with each other while they are separated, or for eventually reuniting them"

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-government-has-no-plan-for-reuniting-the-immigrant-families-it-is-tearing-apart

This is disgusting and unacceptable. 

LongestRoad

PJ_Soul said:

LongestRoad said:

josevolution said:

LongestRoad said:

josevolution said:

Just think about it while you or I are at work there’s thousands of kids missing their parents , yeah I know it’s their fault for trying to come here illegally but the penalty does not fit the crime ..have a great work week and know our taxes are paying for this mess and they are running out of space to house these kids this administration is looking for places to store them ....fuck you Baffoon & Sessions !

You realize the immigration crackdown started back in 1997. This country has already been doing this for years. It's terrible that children are being seperated from their parents. I know there's a lot of hardworking people that are being deported that are here due to the crime and poverty in their countries. I hope the process for re-entry can be speeded up for those families. Now for the low life criminals that are getting deported that are doing harm to our country, good riddence. If children are being seperated from a criminal parent as sad as that is, it's just like a child being seperated from a parent who has to do time in prison for a crime. I hope it changes and they help parents that deserve help with becoming legal so they're not be seperated from their children. I hope people entering this country won't expect to get assistance that isn't available to the citizens of this country. You're welcome here if you plan on working and paying taxes. Don't come here and immediately expect a free ride. 
https://www.huffingtonpost/2014/06/25/parents-deportation_n_5531552.html
There are lots of articles on the web that talk about the inmigration laws since 1997

Then why all the outcry from everyone if this is so normal ?

It's not normal in my book but the liberal media love the ratings and the politicians who have been lining their pockets for years and don't like not running the country like politicians do, are out to go back to their old ways. They are flat out lying if they try to say they weren't already doing this. I can't wait until congress gets the two term limit imposed by the way.  The bs that Nancy  Bush is saying about how horrible it is...I guess she wasn't paying attention to what was going on when her husband was in office. 

No, what's happening now was NOT happening under the Dems (or Bush). I'm not sure where you're getting that idea, but wherever it is, you should stop listening to the source because it's just plain wrong.

Not true. It was. Research it.

Halifax2TheMax

LongestRoad said:

PJ_Soul said:

LongestRoad said:

josevolution said:

LongestRoad said:

josevolution said:

Just think about it while you or I are at work there’s thousands of kids missing their parents , yeah I know it’s their fault for trying to come here illegally but the penalty does not fit the crime ..have a great work week and know our taxes are paying for this mess and they are running out of space to house these kids this administration is looking for places to store them ....fuck you Baffoon & Sessions !

You realize the immigration crackdown started back in 1997. This country has already been doing this for years. It's terrible that children are being seperated from their parents. I know there's a lot of hardworking people that are being deported that are here due to the crime and poverty in their countries. I hope the process for re-entry can be speeded up for those families. Now for the low life criminals that are getting deported that are doing harm to our country, good riddence. If children are being seperated from a criminal parent as sad as that is, it's just like a child being seperated from a parent who has to do time in prison for a crime. I hope it changes and they help parents that deserve help with becoming legal so they're not be seperated from their children. I hope people entering this country won't expect to get assistance that isn't available to the citizens of this country. You're welcome here if you plan on working and paying taxes. Don't come here and immediately expect a free ride. 
https://www.huffingtonpost/2014/06/25/parents-deportation_n_5531552.html
There are lots of articles on the web that talk about the inmigration laws since 1997

Then why all the outcry from everyone if this is so normal ?

It's not normal in my book but the liberal media love the ratings and the politicians who have been lining their pockets for years and don't like not running the country like politicians do, are out to go back to their old ways. They are flat out lying if they try to say they weren't already doing this. I can't wait until congress gets the two term limit imposed by the way.  The bs that Nancy  Bush is saying about how horrible it is...I guess she wasn't paying attention to what was going on when her husband was in office. 

No, what's happening now was NOT happening under the Dems (or Bush). I'm not sure where you're getting that idea, but wherever it is, you should stop listening to the source because it's just plain wrong.

Not true. It was. Research it.

Link?

josevolution

dignin said:

The Government Has No Plan for Reuniting the Immigrant Families It Is Tearing Apart

"No protocols have been put in place for keeping track of parents and children concurrently, for keeping parents and children in contact with each other while they are separated, or for eventually reuniting them"

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-government-has-no-plan-for-reuniting-the-immigrant-families-it-is-tearing-apart

Thee most incompetent president and administration ever total animals all of them if you can look in mirror and still say your proud of your vote I’m not sure how you can !

josevolution

Can someone tell idiot Baffoon that the decision to implement this horrible policy is from his administration ....

mcgruff10

some interesting things I just read/learned  https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/separating-families-illegal-immigrants-trump-immigration-zero-tolerance-asylum/ :

The Los Angeles Times reports that Rio Grande Valley border agents prosecuted 568 adults and separated 1,174 children since the administration announced its "zero tolerance" policy in early April. However, it only took a matter of hours to reunite more than a third of these children with their parents.

Another fact conveniently overlooked amid all the hysteria is that just because a group claims to be a family, doesn't mean it's true. The Department of Homeland Security says that from October 2017 to February 2018 it saw "a 315% increase in the number of cases with minors fraudulently posing as 'family units' to gain entry."

josevolution

mcgruff10 said:

some interesting things I just read/learned  https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/separating-families-illegal-immigrants-trump-immigration-zero-tolerance-asylum/ :

The Los Angeles Times reports that Rio Grande Valley border agents prosecuted 568 adults and separated 1,174 children since the administration announced its "zero tolerance" policy in early April. However, it only took a matter of hours to reunite more than a third of these children with their parents.

Another fact conveniently overlooked amid all the hysteria is that just because a group claims to be a family, doesn't mean it's true. The Department of Homeland Security says that from October 2017 to February 2018 it saw "a 315% increase in the number of cases with minors fraudulently posing as 'family units' to gain entry."

You know what I’m pissed why don’t you gogle keep de crying at detention center girl has phone number memorized go ahead gogle it , stop trying to normalize what’s happening your better than this ! 

josevolution

Pro pública go ahead gogle it there’s awful audio go ahead look it up listen to the kids on there tell me how they are actors , fuck America at this point !

RoleModelsinBlood31

I’m hearing massively different descriptions of the places where these kids are being held.  In some sources they talk about them watching World Cup games on big flatscreen tv’s, playing foosball and pool.  There’s tons of people taking care of the kids and the kids are having fun.  In others they are concentration camps and in horrid conditions? Does anyone know what is really happening?

brianlux

mcgruff10 said:

some interesting things I just read/learned  https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/separating-families-illegal-immigrants-trump-immigration-zero-tolerance-asylum/ :

The Los Angeles Times reports that Rio Grande Valley border agents prosecuted 568 adults and separated 1,174 children since the administration announced its "zero tolerance" policy in early April. However, it only took a matter of hours to reunite more than a third of these children with their parents.

Another fact conveniently overlooked amid all the hysteria is that just because a group claims to be a family, doesn't mean it's true. The Department of Homeland Security says that from October 2017 to February 2018 it saw "a 315% increase in the number of cases with minors fraudulently posing as 'family units' to gain entry."

Stephen Colbert say maybe they're not even real children,  just adults on their knees with shoes.  You know-- Dorf.

Sorry McG, hysteria or not, what this administration is doing is fucked.  Pure and simple.

mcgruff10

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

some interesting things I just read/learned  https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/separating-families-illegal-immigrants-trump-immigration-zero-tolerance-asylum/ :

The Los Angeles Times reports that Rio Grande Valley border agents prosecuted 568 adults and separated 1,174 children since the administration announced its "zero tolerance" policy in early April. However, it only took a matter of hours to reunite more than a third of these children with their parents.

Another fact conveniently overlooked amid all the hysteria is that just because a group claims to be a family, doesn't mean it's true. The Department of Homeland Security says that from October 2017 to February 2018 it saw "a 315% increase in the number of cases with minors fraudulently posing as 'family units' to gain entry."

Stephen Colbert say maybe they're not even real children,  just adults on their knees with shoes.  You know-- Dorf.

Sorry McG, hysteria or not, what this administration is doing is fucked.  Pure and simple.

Absolutely. I was just pointing out that a third of the kids have been reunited.  I had no clue about the second point. 

The Juggler

These kids are hostages. Plain and simple. Trump could've ended this yesterday if he wanted to.

dignin

mcgruff10 said:

some interesting things I just read/learned  https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/separating-families-illegal-immigrants-trump-immigration-zero-tolerance-asylum/ :

The Los Angeles Times reports that Rio Grande Valley border agents prosecuted 568 adults and separated 1,174 children since the administration announced its "zero tolerance" policy in early April. However, it only took a matter of hours to reunite more than a third of these children with their parents.

Another fact conveniently overlooked amid all the hysteria is that just because a group claims to be a family, doesn't mean it's true. The Department of Homeland Security says that from October 2017 to February 2018 it saw "a 315% increase in the number of cases with minors fraudulently posing as 'family units' to gain entry."

American Academy of Pediatrics president: Trump family separation policy is 'child abuse'

http://thehill.com/latino/392790-american-academy-of-pediatrics-president-trumps-family-separation-policy-is-child

Smellyman

We need to remove children from their GOP parents.

Stop the ignorance, racism, bigotry and criminal activity.

brianlux

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

some interesting things I just read/learned  https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/separating-families-illegal-immigrants-trump-immigration-zero-tolerance-asylum/ :

The Los Angeles Times reports that Rio Grande Valley border agents prosecuted 568 adults and separated 1,174 children since the administration announced its "zero tolerance" policy in early April. However, it only took a matter of hours to reunite more than a third of these children with their parents.

Another fact conveniently overlooked amid all the hysteria is that just because a group claims to be a family, doesn't mean it's true. The Department of Homeland Security says that from October 2017 to February 2018 it saw "a 315% increase in the number of cases with minors fraudulently posing as 'family units' to gain entry."

Stephen Colbert say maybe they're not even real children,  just adults on their knees with shoes.  You know-- Dorf.

Sorry McG, hysteria or not, what this administration is doing is fucked.  Pure and simple.

Absolutely. I was just pointing out that a third of the kids have been reunited.  I had no clue about the second point. 

I respect that, McG, now let's hope the other 2/3 get reunited soon!

Smellyman said:

We need to remove children from their GOP parents.

Stop the ignorance, racism, bigotry and criminal activity.

Yes, and brain washing!