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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    I hope everyone involved with this die horrible and painful deaths 
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    So are you saying the Jews were criminals like the border crossers?
    Yes that  is exactly what I am saying. 
    Because the half of my family that was forcefully removed from theirs homes, herded onto cattle cars, taken to the camps,  separated from each other, then walked into the "showers" and then shoveled into mass graves were all criminals.

    I should've known that a person who believes in "white genocide" would be smart enough to figure it out.

    And clearly you don't see the difference, nobody is rounding up those crossing the southern border out of their homes.  So yeah the comparison is ridiculous.
    Well, they are also rounding up people out of their homes (and from their places of employment) in the United States - that's what those community ICE raids are.
    But the point is that parents and children are being separated and the kids are being kept in what are essentially prisons and are being irreparably harmed by the US government. And no, the comparison is not ridiculous. The Nazis took kids away from their parents without telling them when they'd see each other again, and then warehousing the children, and the US government is doing the exact same thing. That is an apt comparison. Just because the US isn't then murdering them all doesn't mean comparisons can't still be made.
    I disagree. I get the outrage for children being separated for days. But the facilities and practices being compared to Nazi is extreme.
    I haven’t seen any credible source these kids aren’t well cared for, they are fed, given TVs and not forced into child labor. They came here illegally, we didn’t go to their land and houses and drag them out for the purposes of mass execution.
    Im not denying the separation is causing problems, I just don’t agree it is a fair comparison to the Nazis. Sure, things don’t have to be exactly the same to compare, but this is like comparing Hanson to Pearl Jam. They both made music in the 90s, had long hair, had multiple drummers. Sure, they have some things in common, but we shouldn’t compare the two.
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    edited June 2018
    Bah, it's still kidnapping.

    To pretend it is all TVs and nice beds is also Bullshit.  I have yet to see any credible source of where they are staying other than what they want you to see.

    People in Germany stood silent until it was too late too.  This is much like the early stages of Germany
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    So are you saying the Jews were criminals like the border crossers?
    Yes that  is exactly what I am saying. 
    Because the half of my family that was forcefully removed from theirs homes, herded onto cattle cars, taken to the camps,  separated from each other, then walked into the "showers" and then shoveled into mass graves were all criminals.

    I should've known that a person who believes in "white genocide" would be smart enough to figure it out.

    And clearly you don't see the difference, nobody is rounding up those crossing the southern border out of their homes.  So yeah the comparison is ridiculous.
    Well, they are also rounding up people out of their homes (and from their places of employment) in the United States - that's what those community ICE raids are.
    But the point is that parents and children are being separated and the kids are being kept in what are essentially prisons and are being irreparably harmed by the US government. And no, the comparison is not ridiculous. The Nazis took kids away from their parents without telling them when they'd see each other again, and then warehousing the children, and the US government is doing the exact same thing. That is an apt comparison. Just because the US isn't then murdering them all doesn't mean comparisons can't still be made.
    I disagree. I get the outrage for children being separated for days. But the facilities and practices being compared to Nazi is extreme.
    I haven’t seen any credible source these kids aren’t well cared for, they are fed, given TVs and not forced into child labor. They came here illegally, we didn’t go to their land and houses and drag them out for the purposes of mass execution.
    Im not denying the separation is causing problems, I just don’t agree it is a fair comparison to the Nazis. Sure, things don’t have to be exactly the same to compare, but this is like comparing Hanson to Pearl Jam. They both made music in the 90s, had long hair, had multiple drummers. Sure, they have some things in common, but we shouldn’t compare the two.
    To we adults, the level of cruelty in our border situation may seem less extreme that that of Nazi prison camps... but to the kids being held captive I'll bet it feels like fucking hell.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • LongestRoad
    LongestRoad Posts: 477
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    So are you saying the Jews were criminals like the border crossers?
    Yes that  is exactly what I am saying. 
    Because the half of my family that was forcefully removed from theirs homes, herded onto cattle cars, taken to the camps,  separated from each other, then walked into the "showers" and then shoveled into mass graves were all criminals.

    I should've known that a person who believes in "white genocide" would be smart enough to figure it out.

    And clearly you don't see the difference, nobody is rounding up those crossing the southern border out of their homes.  So yeah the comparison is ridiculous.
    Well, they are also rounding up people out of their homes (and from their places of employment) in the United States - that's what those community ICE raids are.
    But the point is that parents and children are being separated and the kids are being kept in what are essentially prisons and are being irreparably harmed by the US government. And no, the comparison is not ridiculous. The Nazis took kids away from their parents without telling them when they'd see each other again, and then warehousing the children, and the US government is doing the exact same thing. That is an apt comparison. Just because the US isn't then murdering them all doesn't mean comparisons can't still be made.
    I disagree. I get the outrage for children being separated for days. But the facilities and practices being compared to Nazi is extreme.
    I haven’t seen any credible source these kids aren’t well cared for, they are fed, given TVs and not forced into child labor. They came here illegally, we didn’t go to their land and houses and drag them out for the purposes of mass execution.
    Im not denying the separation is causing problems, I just don’t agree it is a fair comparison to the Nazis. Sure, things don’t have to be exactly the same to compare, but this is like comparing Hanson to Pearl Jam. They both made music in the 90s, had long hair, had multiple drummers. Sure, they have some things in common, but we shouldn’t compare the two.
    To we adults, the level of cruelty in our border situation may seem less extreme that that of Nazi prison camps... but to the kids being held captive I'll bet it feels like fucking hell.
    it's not may seem, what happened in Nazi prison camps to children shouldn't even be used as any kind of comparison. That's completely fucked up. 
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    LongestRoad said:
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    So are you saying the Jews were criminals like the border crossers?
    Yes that  is exactly what I am saying. 
    Because the half of my family that was forcefully removed from theirs homes, herded onto cattle cars, taken to the camps,  separated from each other, then walked into the "showers" and then shoveled into mass graves were all criminals.

    I should've known that a person who believes in "white genocide" would be smart enough to figure it out.

    And clearly you don't see the difference, nobody is rounding up those crossing the southern border out of their homes.  So yeah the comparison is ridiculous.
    Well, they are also rounding up people out of their homes (and from their places of employment) in the United States - that's what those community ICE raids are.
    But the point is that parents and children are being separated and the kids are being kept in what are essentially prisons and are being irreparably harmed by the US government. And no, the comparison is not ridiculous. The Nazis took kids away from their parents without telling them when they'd see each other again, and then warehousing the children, and the US government is doing the exact same thing. That is an apt comparison. Just because the US isn't then murdering them all doesn't mean comparisons can't still be made.
    I disagree. I get the outrage for children being separated for days. But the facilities and practices being compared to Nazi is extreme.
    I haven’t seen any credible source these kids aren’t well cared for, they are fed, given TVs and not forced into child labor. They came here illegally, we didn’t go to their land and houses and drag them out for the purposes of mass execution.
    Im not denying the separation is causing problems, I just don’t agree it is a fair comparison to the Nazis. Sure, things don’t have to be exactly the same to compare, but this is like comparing Hanson to Pearl Jam. They both made music in the 90s, had long hair, had multiple drummers. Sure, they have some things in common, but we shouldn’t compare the two.
    To we adults, the level of cruelty in our border situation may seem less extreme that that of Nazi prison camps... but to the kids being held captive I'll bet it feels like fucking hell.
    it's not may seem, what happened in Nazi prison camps to children shouldn't even be used as any kind of comparison. That's completely fucked up. 
    What's fucked up is abusing and holding toddlers hostage to score political points. 

    Trump and his cult have no moral high ground here. Outing themselves as the deplorables we all knew they were. 
  • LongestRoad
    LongestRoad Posts: 477
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    some interesting things I just read/learned  https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/separating-families-illegal-immigrants-trump-immigration-zero-tolerance-asylum/ :

    The Los Angeles Times reports that Rio Grande Valley border agents prosecuted 568 adults and separated 1,174 children since the administration announced its "zero tolerance" policy in early April. However, it only took a matter of hours to reunite more than a third of these children with their parents.

    Another fact conveniently overlooked amid all the hysteria is that just because a group claims to be a family, doesn't mean it's true. The Department of Homeland Security says that from October 2017 to February 2018 it saw "a 315% increase in the number of cases with minors fraudulently posing as 'family units' to gain entry."
    Stephen Colbert say maybe they're not even real children,  just adults on their knees with shoes.  You know-- Dorf.

    Sorry McG, hysteria or not, what this administration is doing is fucked.  Pure and simple.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/obama-administration-placed-children-with-human-traffickers-report-says/2016/01/28/39465050-c542-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3cd4e25b52cb
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    LongestRoad said:
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    So are you saying the Jews were criminals like the border crossers?
    Yes that  is exactly what I am saying. 
    Because the half of my family that was forcefully removed from theirs homes, herded onto cattle cars, taken to the camps,  separated from each other, then walked into the "showers" and then shoveled into mass graves were all criminals.

    I should've known that a person who believes in "white genocide" would be smart enough to figure it out.

    And clearly you don't see the difference, nobody is rounding up those crossing the southern border out of their homes.  So yeah the comparison is ridiculous.
    Well, they are also rounding up people out of their homes (and from their places of employment) in the United States - that's what those community ICE raids are.
    But the point is that parents and children are being separated and the kids are being kept in what are essentially prisons and are being irreparably harmed by the US government. And no, the comparison is not ridiculous. The Nazis took kids away from their parents without telling them when they'd see each other again, and then warehousing the children, and the US government is doing the exact same thing. That is an apt comparison. Just because the US isn't then murdering them all doesn't mean comparisons can't still be made.
    I disagree. I get the outrage for children being separated for days. But the facilities and practices being compared to Nazi is extreme.
    I haven’t seen any credible source these kids aren’t well cared for, they are fed, given TVs and not forced into child labor. They came here illegally, we didn’t go to their land and houses and drag them out for the purposes of mass execution.
    Im not denying the separation is causing problems, I just don’t agree it is a fair comparison to the Nazis. Sure, things don’t have to be exactly the same to compare, but this is like comparing Hanson to Pearl Jam. They both made music in the 90s, had long hair, had multiple drummers. Sure, they have some things in common, but we shouldn’t compare the two.
    To we adults, the level of cruelty in our border situation may seem less extreme that that of Nazi prison camps... but to the kids being held captive I'll bet it feels like fucking hell.
    it's not may seem, what happened in Nazi prison camps to children shouldn't even be used as any kind of comparison. That's completely fucked up. 
    There's definitely some comparisons that can be made.

    If I was a Trump enthusiast, I'd likely not want to acknowledge those comparisons, but they are there to be made.

    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    LongestRoad said:
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    So are you saying the Jews were criminals like the border crossers?
    Yes that  is exactly what I am saying. 
    Because the half of my family that was forcefully removed from theirs homes, herded onto cattle cars, taken to the camps,  separated from each other, then walked into the "showers" and then shoveled into mass graves were all criminals.

    I should've known that a person who believes in "white genocide" would be smart enough to figure it out.

    And clearly you don't see the difference, nobody is rounding up those crossing the southern border out of their homes.  So yeah the comparison is ridiculous.
    Well, they are also rounding up people out of their homes (and from their places of employment) in the United States - that's what those community ICE raids are.
    But the point is that parents and children are being separated and the kids are being kept in what are essentially prisons and are being irreparably harmed by the US government. And no, the comparison is not ridiculous. The Nazis took kids away from their parents without telling them when they'd see each other again, and then warehousing the children, and the US government is doing the exact same thing. That is an apt comparison. Just because the US isn't then murdering them all doesn't mean comparisons can't still be made.
    I disagree. I get the outrage for children being separated for days. But the facilities and practices being compared to Nazi is extreme.
    I haven’t seen any credible source these kids aren’t well cared for, they are fed, given TVs and not forced into child labor. They came here illegally, we didn’t go to their land and houses and drag them out for the purposes of mass execution.
    Im not denying the separation is causing problems, I just don’t agree it is a fair comparison to the Nazis. Sure, things don’t have to be exactly the same to compare, but this is like comparing Hanson to Pearl Jam. They both made music in the 90s, had long hair, had multiple drummers. Sure, they have some things in common, but we shouldn’t compare the two.
    To we adults, the level of cruelty in our border situation may seem less extreme that that of Nazi prison camps... but to the kids being held captive I'll bet it feels like fucking hell.
    it's not may seem, what happened in Nazi prison camps to children shouldn't even be used as any kind of comparison. That's completely fucked up. 
    Really?  You don't think if you were a little kid and were taken from your parents and put in some locked facility by a bunch of people in uniforms and had no idea what was going to happen to you-- you don't think you'd be scared shitless?  From a child's perspective, I do believe the comparison is valid.  I stand by my words.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • LongestRoad
    LongestRoad Posts: 477
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    LongestRoad said:
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    So are you saying the Jews were criminals like the border crossers?
    Yes that  is exactly what I am saying. 
    Because the half of my family that was forcefully removed from theirs homes, herded onto cattle cars, taken to the camps,  separated from each other, then walked into the "showers" and then shoveled into mass graves were all criminals.

    I should've known that a person who believes in "white genocide" would be smart enough to figure it out.

    And clearly you don't see the difference, nobody is rounding up those crossing the southern border out of their homes.  So yeah the comparison is ridiculous.
    Well, they are also rounding up people out of their homes (and from their places of employment) in the United States - that's what those community ICE raids are.
    But the point is that parents and children are being separated and the kids are being kept in what are essentially prisons and are being irreparably harmed by the US government. And no, the comparison is not ridiculous. The Nazis took kids away from their parents without telling them when they'd see each other again, and then warehousing the children, and the US government is doing the exact same thing. That is an apt comparison. Just because the US isn't then murdering them all doesn't mean comparisons can't still be made.
    I disagree. I get the outrage for children being separated for days. But the facilities and practices being compared to Nazi is extreme.
    I haven’t seen any credible source these kids aren’t well cared for, they are fed, given TVs and not forced into child labor. They came here illegally, we didn’t go to their land and houses and drag them out for the purposes of mass execution.
    Im not denying the separation is causing problems, I just don’t agree it is a fair comparison to the Nazis. Sure, things don’t have to be exactly the same to compare, but this is like comparing Hanson to Pearl Jam. They both made music in the 90s, had long hair, had multiple drummers. Sure, they have some things in common, but we shouldn’t compare the two.
    To we adults, the level of cruelty in our border situation may seem less extreme that that of Nazi prison camps... but to the kids being held captive I'll bet it feels like fucking hell.
    it's not may seem, what happened in Nazi prison camps to children shouldn't even be used as any kind of comparison. That's completely fucked up. 
    There's definitely some comparisons that can be made.

    If I was a Trump enthusiast, I'd likely not want to acknowledge those comparisons, but they are there to be made.

    I'm not a Trump enthusiast. I can see good from both sides and I can see how some extremists follow blindly on both the far right and far left. There's no comparison. None. If a parent had a choice of their child being seperated for a day to verify who they are or a choice of having their child in a Nazi prison camp.. Are you fucking kidding me there is no comparison. 
  • LongestRoad
    LongestRoad Posts: 477
    This is terrible what's happening. I can't imagine what they're going through. I hope you can understand that they have to verify who people are for the safety of the children and our safety. Think about it. 
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    The attitude is what is being discussed. This regime sees those seeking asylum as sub-human.

    The Holocaust didn't start one day with mass deportations and executions. There were many small steps that took place prior to the climax- all
    involving the dehumanization of the people being persecuted.

    I'm sorry you have challenges understanding these parallels that are very legitimate, but hey... America is being made great again! I think I more clearly know which era McDonald meant and which era his idiot supporters understood now.

    I guess everybody should shut up and let things take their course eh?

    F**king disgraceful. Shame.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    brianlux said:
    LongestRoad said:
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    So are you saying the Jews were criminals like the border crossers?
    Yes that  is exactly what I am saying. 
    Because the half of my family that was forcefully removed from theirs homes, herded onto cattle cars, taken to the camps,  separated from each other, then walked into the "showers" and then shoveled into mass graves were all criminals.

    I should've known that a person who believes in "white genocide" would be smart enough to figure it out.

    And clearly you don't see the difference, nobody is rounding up those crossing the southern border out of their homes.  So yeah the comparison is ridiculous.
    Well, they are also rounding up people out of their homes (and from their places of employment) in the United States - that's what those community ICE raids are.
    But the point is that parents and children are being separated and the kids are being kept in what are essentially prisons and are being irreparably harmed by the US government. And no, the comparison is not ridiculous. The Nazis took kids away from their parents without telling them when they'd see each other again, and then warehousing the children, and the US government is doing the exact same thing. That is an apt comparison. Just because the US isn't then murdering them all doesn't mean comparisons can't still be made.
    I disagree. I get the outrage for children being separated for days. But the facilities and practices being compared to Nazi is extreme.
    I haven’t seen any credible source these kids aren’t well cared for, they are fed, given TVs and not forced into child labor. They came here illegally, we didn’t go to their land and houses and drag them out for the purposes of mass execution.
    Im not denying the separation is causing problems, I just don’t agree it is a fair comparison to the Nazis. Sure, things don’t have to be exactly the same to compare, but this is like comparing Hanson to Pearl Jam. They both made music in the 90s, had long hair, had multiple drummers. Sure, they have some things in common, but we shouldn’t compare the two.
    To we adults, the level of cruelty in our border situation may seem less extreme that that of Nazi prison camps... but to the kids being held captive I'll bet it feels like fucking hell.
    it's not may seem, what happened in Nazi prison camps to children shouldn't even be used as any kind of comparison. That's completely fucked up. 
    Really?  You don't think if you were a little kid and were taken from your parents and put in some locked facility by a bunch of people in uniforms and had no idea what was going to happen to you-- you don't think you'd be scared shitless?  From a child's perspective, I do believe the comparison is valid.  I stand by my words.
    I’m sure they are scared.
    we were on a family vacation and out camping when we drove into town to see the Blair Witch Project. I was pretty scared that night too.
    Compring the frightened imagination(I only say imagination because they are not being physically harmed) of a kid to actual events where millions were murdrred is not comparable.



  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    LongestRoad said:
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    So are you saying the Jews were criminals like the border crossers?
    Yes that  is exactly what I am saying. 
    Because the half of my family that was forcefully removed from theirs homes, herded onto cattle cars, taken to the camps,  separated from each other, then walked into the "showers" and then shoveled into mass graves were all criminals.

    I should've known that a person who believes in "white genocide" would be smart enough to figure it out.

    And clearly you don't see the difference, nobody is rounding up those crossing the southern border out of their homes.  So yeah the comparison is ridiculous.
    Well, they are also rounding up people out of their homes (and from their places of employment) in the United States - that's what those community ICE raids are.
    But the point is that parents and children are being separated and the kids are being kept in what are essentially prisons and are being irreparably harmed by the US government. And no, the comparison is not ridiculous. The Nazis took kids away from their parents without telling them when they'd see each other again, and then warehousing the children, and the US government is doing the exact same thing. That is an apt comparison. Just because the US isn't then murdering them all doesn't mean comparisons can't still be made.
    I disagree. I get the outrage for children being separated for days. But the facilities and practices being compared to Nazi is extreme.
    I haven’t seen any credible source these kids aren’t well cared for, they are fed, given TVs and not forced into child labor. They came here illegally, we didn’t go to their land and houses and drag them out for the purposes of mass execution.
    Im not denying the separation is causing problems, I just don’t agree it is a fair comparison to the Nazis. Sure, things don’t have to be exactly the same to compare, but this is like comparing Hanson to Pearl Jam. They both made music in the 90s, had long hair, had multiple drummers. Sure, they have some things in common, but we shouldn’t compare the two.
    To we adults, the level of cruelty in our border situation may seem less extreme that that of Nazi prison camps... but to the kids being held captive I'll bet it feels like fucking hell.
    it's not may seem, what happened in Nazi prison camps to children shouldn't even be used as any kind of comparison. That's completely fucked up. 
    Really?  You don't think if you were a little kid and were taken from your parents and put in some locked facility by a bunch of people in uniforms and had no idea what was going to happen to you-- you don't think you'd be scared shitless?  From a child's perspective, I do believe the comparison is valid.  I stand by my words.
    I’m sure they are scared.
    we were on a family vacation and out camping when we drove into town to see the Blair Witch Project. I was pretty scared that night too.
    Compring the frightened imagination(I only say imagination because they are not being physically harmed) of a kid to actual events where millions were murdrred is not comparable.



    Now THAT is a comparison of utter horseshit.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    I agree. That was pretty much my point.
    I don’t like them being separated either.
    But it is even more ridiculous to compare it to the haulocost and all the absolutely horrible things that happened.
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    mace1229 said:
    I agree. That was pretty much my point.
    I don’t like them being separated either.
    But it is even more ridiculous to compare it to the haulocost and all the absolutely horrible things that happened.
    We are comparing the start.  Getting people to dehumanize a population, start taking away kids and putting them in camps and pretending it is ok.  All for 'safety' and the good of the chosen people, white Americans.

    It is not preposterous at this point.  Comparing it to watching the Blair Witch is Preposterous and displays a cognitive dissonance I cannot fathom.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    edited June 2018
    My response was a reply to the comment that it compares to the haulocost because the kids are frightened.
    Your explanation makes more sense, but that’s not what was said and not what I was responding to.
    Im sorry you can’t fathom that.
    And many (some here, but mostly news reporters) have compared the holding facilities itself to concentration camps, not even mentioning the separation process, but comparing the facility to Nazi germany. They really need a history lesson if they think that’s what a concentration camp was like.
    Those camps were probably the worst thing any group of people suffered through in the last 500 years. And there’s been a lot of horrible things in this world.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    LongestRoad said:
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    So are you saying the Jews were criminals like the border crossers?
    Yes that  is exactly what I am saying. 
    Because the half of my family that was forcefully removed from theirs homes, herded onto cattle cars, taken to the camps,  separated from each other, then walked into the "showers" and then shoveled into mass graves were all criminals.

    I should've known that a person who believes in "white genocide" would be smart enough to figure it out.

    And clearly you don't see the difference, nobody is rounding up those crossing the southern border out of their homes.  So yeah the comparison is ridiculous.
    Well, they are also rounding up people out of their homes (and from their places of employment) in the United States - that's what those community ICE raids are.
    But the point is that parents and children are being separated and the kids are being kept in what are essentially prisons and are being irreparably harmed by the US government. And no, the comparison is not ridiculous. The Nazis took kids away from their parents without telling them when they'd see each other again, and then warehousing the children, and the US government is doing the exact same thing. That is an apt comparison. Just because the US isn't then murdering them all doesn't mean comparisons can't still be made.
    I disagree. I get the outrage for children being separated for days. But the facilities and practices being compared to Nazi is extreme.
    I haven’t seen any credible source these kids aren’t well cared for, they are fed, given TVs and not forced into child labor. They came here illegally, we didn’t go to their land and houses and drag them out for the purposes of mass execution.
    Im not denying the separation is causing problems, I just don’t agree it is a fair comparison to the Nazis. Sure, things don’t have to be exactly the same to compare, but this is like comparing Hanson to Pearl Jam. They both made music in the 90s, had long hair, had multiple drummers. Sure, they have some things in common, but we shouldn’t compare the two.
    To we adults, the level of cruelty in our border situation may seem less extreme that that of Nazi prison camps... but to the kids being held captive I'll bet it feels like fucking hell.
    it's not may seem, what happened in Nazi prison camps to children shouldn't even be used as any kind of comparison. That's completely fucked up. 
    Really?  You don't think if you were a little kid and were taken from your parents and put in some locked facility by a bunch of people in uniforms and had no idea what was going to happen to you-- you don't think you'd be scared shitless?  From a child's perspective, I do believe the comparison is valid.  I stand by my words.
    I’m sure they are scared.
    we were on a family vacation and out camping when we drove into town to see the Blair Witch Project. I was pretty scared that night too.
    Compring the frightened imagination(I only say imagination because they are not being physically harmed) of a kid to actual events where millions were murdrred is not comparable.



    I'm talking about how this must feel to the KIDS, not us adults with all our history lessons.  What I'm saying is that to a lot of these kids this must feel like Dachau.  But OK, we could argue this all day long like carpenters in a circular room looking for a corner to piss in but that's not the point.  The point is that what they've done to these kids IS FUCKED.  Any anyone who say there is "good on both sides" of this... well I'm shutting my fucking mouth before I get into some shit here. 

    And sorry but, fuck this thread.  What a waste of time to argue about how fucked up this all is. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Good times! 

    https://www.propublica.org/article/children-separated-from-parents-border-patrol-cbp-trump-immigration-policy?utm_campaign=sprout&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1529351580

    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Good times! 

    https://www.propublica.org/article/children-separated-from-parents-border-patrol-cbp-trump-immigration-policy?utm_campaign=sprout&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1529351580

    Law enforcement becoming sub human down there.  Sickening what they are doing.

    What step is this now.

    Leader dehumanizing a people, State News helping with propaganda, getting your base to agree and now law enforcement to blindly follow orders.

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