rgambs said:

Yeah, I would be very surprised if the craft beer scene in Canada is half as strong and prolific as it is here.  Craft beer is the hipster cool thing nowadays.

tbergs said:

I heard some great comments this past weekend at an extended family gathering. These are uncles and cousins. I may have been the only non-supporter there.

On Border Security: The easiest way to stop all the illegal border crossings would be to put a marine every 50 yards armed with a semi-auto rifle and shoot everyone they see. There were debates about whether this would ever be allowed because you know, human rights and all.
"Global Warming": A - Wasn't that made up by Al Gore?
                                 B - Yeah, the same guy who invented the internet.
                                 A - Leave it to a Democrat to spread bullshit to sucker people.
Scientists: The premise here was that they basically don't know shit and that there's a biblical explanation for dinosaurs and the world is only about 6000 years old. I could barely contain myself sitting through this drivel.
On Obama: A - Wasn't it ____ who used to call Obama's wife Mike?
                    B - What?
                    A - Didn't he call Obama's wife Mike?
                    B - Mike? I don't know, why?
                    A - Because there were reports saying she used to be a man....

These are just the few gems I heard. I avoided conversation of any substance at all costs. Nice people if you can avoid conversations about the state of the country and world. 

tbergs said:

I heard some great comments this past weekend at an extended family gathering. These are uncles and cousins. I may have been the only non-supporter there.

On Border Security: The easiest way to stop all the illegal border crossings would be to put a marine every 50 yards armed with a semi-auto rifle and shoot everyone they see. There were debates about whether this would ever be allowed because you know, human rights and all.
"Global Warming": A - Wasn't that made up by Al Gore?
                                 B - Yeah, the same guy who invented the internet.
                                 A - Leave it to a Democrat to spread bullshit to sucker people.
Scientists: The premise here was that they basically don't know shit and that there's a biblical explanation for dinosaurs and the world is only about 6000 years old. I could barely contain myself sitting through this drivel.
On Obama: A - Wasn't it ____ who used to call Obama's wife Mike?
                    B - What?
                    A - Didn't he call Obama's wife Mike?
                    B - Mike? I don't know, why?
                    A - Because there were reports saying she used to be a man....

These are just the few gems I heard. I avoided conversation of any substance at all costs. Nice people if you can avoid conversations about the state of the country and world. 

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

I heard some great comments this past weekend at an extended family gathering. These are uncles and cousins. I may have been the only non-supporter there.

On Border Security: The easiest way to stop all the illegal border crossings would be to put a marine every 50 yards armed with a semi-auto rifle and shoot everyone they see. There were debates about whether this would ever be allowed because you know, human rights and all.
"Global Warming": A - Wasn't that made up by Al Gore?
                                 B - Yeah, the same guy who invented the internet.
                                 A - Leave it to a Democrat to spread bullshit to sucker people.
Scientists: The premise here was that they basically don't know shit and that there's a biblical explanation for dinosaurs and the world is only about 6000 years old. I could barely contain myself sitting through this drivel.
On Obama: A - Wasn't it ____ who used to call Obama's wife Mike?
                    B - What?
                    A - Didn't he call Obama's wife Mike?
                    B - Mike? I don't know, why?
                    A - Because there were reports saying she used to be a man....

These are just the few gems I heard. I avoided conversation of any substance at all costs. Nice people if you can avoid conversations about the state of the country and world. 

OH GOOD GOD. 

I'd love to hear the blblical explanation for dinosaurs. The Devil Put Them Here?

No, they just say that the dinosaurs were among all the beasts created on day 6 in Genesis, so they walked with man. Simple as that. Of course, their extinction is not explained in the Bible at all, to I think the assumption has to be that Noah didn't manage to corral them into the ark, lol.
They say that scientists have absolutely no idea how old anything they find in the ground is - they are just guessing based on their preconceived notions of evolution, lol. They purely ignore the actual science behind the geology and chemistry involved when dating materials.

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

I heard some great comments this past weekend at an extended family gathering. These are uncles and cousins. I may have been the only non-supporter there.

On Border Security: The easiest way to stop all the illegal border crossings would be to put a marine every 50 yards armed with a semi-auto rifle and shoot everyone they see. There were debates about whether this would ever be allowed because you know, human rights and all.
"Global Warming": A - Wasn't that made up by Al Gore?
                                 B - Yeah, the same guy who invented the internet.
                                 A - Leave it to a Democrat to spread bullshit to sucker people.
Scientists: The premise here was that they basically don't know shit and that there's a biblical explanation for dinosaurs and the world is only about 6000 years old. I could barely contain myself sitting through this drivel.
On Obama: A - Wasn't it ____ who used to call Obama's wife Mike?
                    B - What?
                    A - Didn't he call Obama's wife Mike?
                    B - Mike? I don't know, why?
                    A - Because there were reports saying she used to be a man....

These are just the few gems I heard. I avoided conversation of any substance at all costs. Nice people if you can avoid conversations about the state of the country and world. 

Oh man.... If that were my family I would fight it tooth and nail TBH, lol. I would not be able to contain myself at all. It would be a big clusterfuck, but I'd be glad I stood up for reason at least, even if I became estranged from my family members... I feel like I'd be better off being estranged from idiots like that anyhow. Erm, no offense. I have enough trouble dealing with my climate change denying father and my racist mother (who is in 100% denial about her racism).

Yeah, that's the conundrum I was in. I already have separated myself from that side of my family because of this and other viewpoints. I've had all out throw downs in the past in my younger days, but I've determined nothing I say will ever make them think twice about the ignorant views they have so my only goal was to keep my kids away, or at least be able to explain, the racist comments and crazy bullshit. I haven't seen several of these people in over a decade and was staying at their house for 4 days so I toned down a lot more than I would otherwise if this was a one off gathering. It was a strong reminder of why we have Trump though. There is a completely different thinking that stems from manufactured beliefs and uninformed opinions where education and science are considered bullshit. These are also people who have all served in the military, whether Vietnam or Iraq, so every day it was a different form of military propaganda apparel being worn. Anyone who links the freedom of this country to the wars in Vietnam and Iraq has been brainwashed beyond anything I can ever explain.

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

I heard some great comments this past weekend at an extended family gathering. These are uncles and cousins. I may have been the only non-supporter there.

On Border Security: The easiest way to stop all the illegal border crossings would be to put a marine every 50 yards armed with a semi-auto rifle and shoot everyone they see. There were debates about whether this would ever be allowed because you know, human rights and all.
"Global Warming": A - Wasn't that made up by Al Gore?
                                 B - Yeah, the same guy who invented the internet.
                                 A - Leave it to a Democrat to spread bullshit to sucker people.
Scientists: The premise here was that they basically don't know shit and that there's a biblical explanation for dinosaurs and the world is only about 6000 years old. I could barely contain myself sitting through this drivel.
On Obama: A - Wasn't it ____ who used to call Obama's wife Mike?
                    B - What?
                    A - Didn't he call Obama's wife Mike?
                    B - Mike? I don't know, why?
                    A - Because there were reports saying she used to be a man....

These are just the few gems I heard. I avoided conversation of any substance at all costs. Nice people if you can avoid conversations about the state of the country and world. 

Oh man.... If that were my family I would fight it tooth and nail TBH, lol. I would not be able to contain myself at all. It would be a big clusterfuck, but I'd be glad I stood up for reason at least, even if I became estranged from my family members... I feel like I'd be better off being estranged from idiots like that anyhow. Erm, no offense. I have enough trouble dealing with my climate change denying father and my racist mother (who is in 100% denial about her racism).

Yeah, that's the conundrum I was in. I already have separated myself from that side of my family because of this and other viewpoints. I've had all out throw downs in the past in my younger days, but I've determined nothing I say will ever make them think twice about the ignorant views they have so my only goal was to keep my kids away, or at least be able to explain, the racist comments and crazy bullshit. I haven't seen several of these people in over a decade and was staying at their house for 4 days so I toned down a lot more than I would otherwise if this was a one off gathering. It was a strong reminder of why we have Trump though. There is a completely different thinking that stems from manufactured beliefs and uninformed opinions where education and science are considered bullshit. These are also people who have all served in the military, whether Vietnam or Iraq, so every day it was a different form of military propaganda apparel being worn. Anyone who links the freedom of this country to the wars in Vietnam and Iraq has been brainwashed beyond anything I can ever explain.

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

I heard some great comments this past weekend at an extended family gathering. These are uncles and cousins. I may have been the only non-supporter there.

On Border Security: The easiest way to stop all the illegal border crossings would be to put a marine every 50 yards armed with a semi-auto rifle and shoot everyone they see. There were debates about whether this would ever be allowed because you know, human rights and all.
"Global Warming": A - Wasn't that made up by Al Gore?
                                 B - Yeah, the same guy who invented the internet.
                                 A - Leave it to a Democrat to spread bullshit to sucker people.
Scientists: The premise here was that they basically don't know shit and that there's a biblical explanation for dinosaurs and the world is only about 6000 years old. I could barely contain myself sitting through this drivel.
On Obama: A - Wasn't it ____ who used to call Obama's wife Mike?
                    B - What?
                    A - Didn't he call Obama's wife Mike?
                    B - Mike? I don't know, why?
                    A - Because there were reports saying she used to be a man....

These are just the few gems I heard. I avoided conversation of any substance at all costs. Nice people if you can avoid conversations about the state of the country and world. 

Oh man.... If that were my family I would fight it tooth and nail TBH, lol. I would not be able to contain myself at all. It would be a big clusterfuck, but I'd be glad I stood up for reason at least, even if I became estranged from my family members... I feel like I'd be better off being estranged from idiots like that anyhow. Erm, no offense. I have enough trouble dealing with my climate change denying father and my racist mother (who is in 100% denial about her racism).

Yeah, that's the conundrum I was in. I already have separated myself from that side of my family because of this and other viewpoints. I've had all out throw downs in the past in my younger days, but I've determined nothing I say will ever make them think twice about the ignorant views they have so my only goal was to keep my kids away, or at least be able to explain, the racist comments and crazy bullshit. I haven't seen several of these people in over a decade and was staying at their house for 4 days so I toned down a lot more than I would otherwise if this was a one off gathering. It was a strong reminder of why we have Trump though. There is a completely different thinking that stems from manufactured beliefs and uninformed opinions where education and science are considered bullshit. These are also people who have all served in the military, whether Vietnam or Iraq, so every day it was a different form of military propaganda apparel being worn. Anyone who links the freedom of this country to the wars in Vietnam and Iraq has been brainwashed beyond anything I can ever explain.

Jesus. there is an infinite amount of things for families to hate each other for in the US, it seems. you don't hear much about military arguments up here. at least I don't. 

even the staunchest political party supporters are usually fairly good natured about their choice and why. they don't necessarily hate the "other team" with nearly the same vitriol. 

although it seems to be moving that way lately. 

tbergs said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

I heard some great comments this past weekend at an extended family gathering. These are uncles and cousins. I may have been the only non-supporter there.

On Border Security: The easiest way to stop all the illegal border crossings would be to put a marine every 50 yards armed with a semi-auto rifle and shoot everyone they see. There were debates about whether this would ever be allowed because you know, human rights and all.
"Global Warming": A - Wasn't that made up by Al Gore?
                                 B - Yeah, the same guy who invented the internet.
                                 A - Leave it to a Democrat to spread bullshit to sucker people.
Scientists: The premise here was that they basically don't know shit and that there's a biblical explanation for dinosaurs and the world is only about 6000 years old. I could barely contain myself sitting through this drivel.
On Obama: A - Wasn't it ____ who used to call Obama's wife Mike?
                    B - What?
                    A - Didn't he call Obama's wife Mike?
                    B - Mike? I don't know, why?
                    A - Because there were reports saying she used to be a man....

These are just the few gems I heard. I avoided conversation of any substance at all costs. Nice people if you can avoid conversations about the state of the country and world. 

Oh man.... If that were my family I would fight it tooth and nail TBH, lol. I would not be able to contain myself at all. It would be a big clusterfuck, but I'd be glad I stood up for reason at least, even if I became estranged from my family members... I feel like I'd be better off being estranged from idiots like that anyhow. Erm, no offense. I have enough trouble dealing with my climate change denying father and my racist mother (who is in 100% denial about her racism).

Yeah, that's the conundrum I was in. I already have separated myself from that side of my family because of this and other viewpoints. I've had all out throw downs in the past in my younger days, but I've determined nothing I say will ever make them think twice about the ignorant views they have so my only goal was to keep my kids away, or at least be able to explain, the racist comments and crazy bullshit. I haven't seen several of these people in over a decade and was staying at their house for 4 days so I toned down a lot more than I would otherwise if this was a one off gathering. It was a strong reminder of why we have Trump though. There is a completely different thinking that stems from manufactured beliefs and uninformed opinions where education and science are considered bullshit. These are also people who have all served in the military, whether Vietnam or Iraq, so every day it was a different form of military propaganda apparel being worn. Anyone who links the freedom of this country to the wars in Vietnam and Iraq has been brainwashed beyond anything I can ever explain.

Jesus. there is an infinite amount of things for families to hate each other for in the US, it seems. you don't hear much about military arguments up here. at least I don't. 

even the staunchest political party supporters are usually fairly good natured about their choice and why. they don't necessarily hate the "other team" with nearly the same vitriol. 

although it seems to be moving that way lately. 

That is how the GOP is able to win.  They convinced the low information voter that the GOP is their "team" and the dems are the enemy. 

The GOP is anti-union yet (at least in Indiana) the union members vote GOP because they hate government and the GOP means small government....which is a fucking joke.  

Truly. Indiana is where all these relatives live. The beautiful area outside of Gary. And most are union workers. They believe it so much so that it is astounding. 

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

I heard some great comments this past weekend at an extended family gathering. These are uncles and cousins. I may have been the only non-supporter there.

On Border Security: The easiest way to stop all the illegal border crossings would be to put a marine every 50 yards armed with a semi-auto rifle and shoot everyone they see. There were debates about whether this would ever be allowed because you know, human rights and all.
"Global Warming": A - Wasn't that made up by Al Gore?
                                 B - Yeah, the same guy who invented the internet.
                                 A - Leave it to a Democrat to spread bullshit to sucker people.
Scientists: The premise here was that they basically don't know shit and that there's a biblical explanation for dinosaurs and the world is only about 6000 years old. I could barely contain myself sitting through this drivel.
On Obama: A - Wasn't it ____ who used to call Obama's wife Mike?
                    B - What?
                    A - Didn't he call Obama's wife Mike?
                    B - Mike? I don't know, why?
                    A - Because there were reports saying she used to be a man....

These are just the few gems I heard. I avoided conversation of any substance at all costs. Nice people if you can avoid conversations about the state of the country and world. 

Oh man.... If that were my family I would fight it tooth and nail TBH, lol. I would not be able to contain myself at all. It would be a big clusterfuck, but I'd be glad I stood up for reason at least, even if I became estranged from my family members... I feel like I'd be better off being estranged from idiots like that anyhow. Erm, no offense. I have enough trouble dealing with my climate change denying father and my racist mother (who is in 100% denial about her racism).

Yeah, that's the conundrum I was in. I already have separated myself from that side of my family because of this and other viewpoints. I've had all out throw downs in the past in my younger days, but I've determined nothing I say will ever make them think twice about the ignorant views they have so my only goal was to keep my kids away, or at least be able to explain, the racist comments and crazy bullshit. I haven't seen several of these people in over a decade and was staying at their house for 4 days so I toned down a lot more than I would otherwise if this was a one off gathering. It was a strong reminder of why we have Trump though. There is a completely different thinking that stems from manufactured beliefs and uninformed opinions where education and science are considered bullshit. These are also people who have all served in the military, whether Vietnam or Iraq, so every day it was a different form of military propaganda apparel being worn. Anyone who links the freedom of this country to the wars in Vietnam and Iraq has been brainwashed beyond anything I can ever explain.

Jesus. there is an infinite amount of things for families to hate each other for in the US, it seems. you don't hear much about military arguments up here. at least I don't. 

even the staunchest political party supporters are usually fairly good natured about their choice and why. they don't necessarily hate the "other team" with nearly the same vitriol. 

although it seems to be moving that way lately. 

That is how the GOP is able to win.  They convinced the low information voter that the GOP is their "team" and the dems are the enemy. 

The GOP is anti-union yet (at least in Indiana) the union members vote GOP because they hate government and the GOP means small government....which is a fucking joke.  

Truly. Indiana is where all these relatives live. The beautiful area outside of Gary. And most are union workers. They believe it so much so that it is astounding. 

What do you think they'll say if their unions are busted up under the GOP? Would they still support them?

I really don't know. Whatever the wacko far right told them to make it sound like it was a liberal who caused it. Growing up, I never really remember them supporting the GOP. They were the Ross Perot type and bitched about both side, but it seems that has become today's GOP so I think they finally got what they wanted in Perot with Trump. They speak just like he does so none of his rhetoric bothers them.