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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,667
    edited May 2018
    Part of one of Trump's crazy tweets this morning: "Congratulations America, we are now into the second year of the greatest Witch Hunt in American History..."

    Ummm... I wonder if knows that term came to be because of the Salem witch trials? I'd say that still comes in at #1 in the American witch hunt rankings, lol (interesting that he capitalized "Witch Hunt." I guess that shows us how strongly he's feelin' it. :lol: ).
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Part of one of Trump's crazy tweets this morning: "Congratulations America, we are now into the second year of the greatest Witch Hunt in American History..."

    Ummm... I wonder if knows that term came to be because of the Salem witch trials? I'd say that still comes in at #1 in the American witch hunt rankings, lol (interesting that he capitalized "Witch Hunt." I guess that shows us how strongly he's feelin' it. :lol: ).
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,548
    Tiki said:
    Congratulations America, we are now into the second year of the greatest Witch Hunt in American History...and there is still No Collusion and No Obstruction. The only Collusion was that done by Democrats who were unable to win an Election despite the spending of far more money!
    I thought this was a joke at first. That trump gets me every time! 
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    tbergs said:
    RYME said:
    Tiki said:
    "You wouldn't believe how bad these people are. These aren't people. They're animals."
    Absolutely!
    MS-13 gang members are animals.  Actually that is an insult to animals.  That's my only hanguph with what he said.
    Get the full context Tiki.
    He was responding to a question about MS-13 gang but the news outlets chose edit out the question, and just play the sound bite, with the intention of getting people all riled up again.  Trump calls all immigrants animals b*******.
    https://youtu.be/qg4MBJNFpy0
    Hmmm, even if that is the inference people are supposed to be making on his statement, that is not how he stated it. He made a general sweeping statement when he should have been specific, much like the statement made by the person on the other end of the back and forth. Conveniently you've found a way to link the two parts together. I don't think that is what he meant. When communicating, the words you choose to use shouldn't leave room for misconception. His did.
    Yup, that's the problem. Trump is shit at communications. He can't string together a cogent thought. If I knew for sure that he was specifically referring to M13 gang members here illegally, I would have no problem with referring to them as animals. I refer to child molesters, gang bangers, etc... as detritus, animals, scum, fecal matter, etc... and would agree with Trump on this. But given Trump's lengthy and storied career as a racist, I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt. He threw out animals in a non-specific way which could easily be embraced by his low-information supporters as a reference to all illegals. The benefit of the doubt goes to someone who earns it when they do something out of character. Trump hasn't earned it and it wouldn't be out of character for him to utter something racist or support racist policies.
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  • Indifference
    Indifference Posts: 2,759
    edited May 2018

    Just a summary of the issue:


    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-17/cnn-nyt-abc-c-span-lie-omission-falsely-claim-trump-called-immigrants-animals


    Post edited by Indifference on

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    Indifference said:

    Just a summary of the issue:


    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-17/cnn-nyt-abc-c-span-lie-omission-falsely-claim-trump-called-immigrants-animals


    And just yesterday some here were talking about how trump supporters follow along blindly. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
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    https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-deputy-defense-minister-called-palestinians-animals/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNDTNnND-Qw



  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    mcgruff10 said:
    Indifference said:

    Just a summary of the issue:


    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-17/cnn-nyt-abc-c-span-lie-omission-falsely-claim-trump-called-immigrants-animals


    And just yesterday some here were talking about how trump supporters follow along blindly. 
    Who here is following blindly? Refer to my earlier post. It isn't clear he is referencing gang members. This is the problem with "off the cuff" commentary as a leader. He lacks the understanding of words. Worst communicator to ever be president.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,587
    I have no problem with MS13 GANG members getting deported i say if your in a gang and here illegally you should be tossed out and if your here legally and a gang member you should be in Jail , To me baffoon is an animal the way he behaves and acts so him caling people animals is hipocritical at best ....

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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,548
    mcgruff10 said:
    Indifference said:

    Just a summary of the issue:


    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-17/cnn-nyt-abc-c-span-lie-omission-falsely-claim-trump-called-immigrants-animals


    And just yesterday some here were talking about how trump supporters follow along blindly. 
    That was me. You can watch the unedited clip if you want and make your own determination. People will either say he was referencing ms13 specifically or broader immigrants or illegal immigrants. No media source guided my interpretation. I do see the people who claim trump’s not a racist really work hard at telling us what he really meant. Over and over again in these situations. 

  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    There were good people on both sides
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,832
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Indifference said:

    Just a summary of the issue:


    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-17/cnn-nyt-abc-c-span-lie-omission-falsely-claim-trump-called-immigrants-animals


    And just yesterday some here were talking about how trump supporters follow along blindly. 
    Who here is following blindly? Refer to my earlier post. It isn't clear he is referencing gang members. This is the problem with "off the cuff" commentary as a leader. He lacks the understanding of words. Worst communicator to ever be president.
    I understand what you are saying, but he is able to connect with a large group of people that the politicians have been talking over for a long time.  I completely understand the off the cuff speaking and moving between topics, etc cause that is how a lot of people talk everyday in their lives.  

    Now - it's the topics and words and policies I have a problem with.  
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,832
    Go Beavers said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Indifference said:

    Just a summary of the issue:


    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-17/cnn-nyt-abc-c-span-lie-omission-falsely-claim-trump-called-immigrants-animals


    And just yesterday some here were talking about how trump supporters follow along blindly. 
    That was me. You can watch the unedited clip if you want and make your own determination. People will either say he was referencing ms13 specifically or broader immigrants or illegal immigrants. No media source guided my interpretation. I do see the people who claim trump’s not a racist really work hard at telling us what he really meant. Over and over again in these situations. 

    Yeah the thing is, if you aren't a racist, etc. you could say something like that and everyone would know what you mean.  But when you add up his history, if there is any doubt, it's no surprise some think he'd be referring to all immigrants.
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  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    I watched the above clip several times. MS13 was mentioned but it sounds like he is talking about immigrants in general. The point is:He's clueless and doesn't communicate like an adult. I have an alcoholic cousin. When she gets hammered she begins rambling about absolute crap. I can barely follow her thought pattern. Trump reminds me of her.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    eddiec said:
    I watched the above clip several times. MS13 was mentioned but it sounds like he is talking about immigrants in general. The point is:He's clueless and doesn't communicate like an adult. I have an alcoholic cousin. When she gets hammered she begins rambling about absolute crap. I can barely follow her thought pattern. Trump reminds me of her.
    was she on here a few nights ago rambling about putin pitbulls and adoptees?
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    JC29856 said:
    eddiec said:
    I watched the above clip several times. MS13 was mentioned but it sounds like he is talking about immigrants in general. The point is:He's clueless and doesn't communicate like an adult. I have an alcoholic cousin. When she gets hammered she begins rambling about absolute crap. I can barely follow her thought pattern. Trump reminds me of her.
    was she on here a few nights ago rambling about putin pitbulls and adoptees?
    Lol... you can be a funny dude JC, well played!
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    edited May 2018
    eddiec said:
    I watched the above clip several times. MS13 was mentioned but it sounds like he is talking about immigrants in general. The point is:He's clueless and doesn't communicate like an adult. I have an alcoholic cousin. When she gets hammered she begins rambling about absolute crap. I can barely follow her thought pattern. Trump reminds me of her.
    the part that makes me believe he's generalizing all immigrants with that is " And we're taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that's never happened before". are you really getting rid of MS13 members at a rate that's never happened before? My take is he was speaking of all illegals, not just the gang members. 
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited May 2018
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    eddiec said:
    I watched the above clip several times. MS13 was mentioned but it sounds like he is talking about immigrants in general. The point is:He's clueless and doesn't communicate like an adult. I have an alcoholic cousin. When she gets hammered she begins rambling about absolute crap. I can barely follow her thought pattern. Trump reminds me of her.
    the part that makes me believe he's generalizing all immigrants with that is " And we're taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that's never happened before". are you really getting rid of MS13 members at a rate that's never happened before? My take is he was speaking of all illegals, not just the gang members. 
    not sure about ms13 deportations but arrests have doubled.
    does is matter that trump referred specifically to ms13 and gang members in the past as animals?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utjyue2NUhQ

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    JC29856 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    eddiec said:
    I watched the above clip several times. MS13 was mentioned but it sounds like he is talking about immigrants in general. The point is:He's clueless and doesn't communicate like an adult. I have an alcoholic cousin. When she gets hammered she begins rambling about absolute crap. I can barely follow her thought pattern. Trump reminds me of her.
    the part that makes me believe he's generalizing all immigrants with that is " And we're taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that's never happened before". are you really getting rid of MS13 members at a rate that's never happened before? My take is he was speaking of all illegals, not just the gang members. 
    not sure about ms13 deportations but arrests have doubled.
    does is matter that trump referred specifically to ms13 and gang members in the past as animals?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utjyue2NUhQ

    I don't know. does it matter he also referred to all illegal immigrants from mexico as rapists and murderers and drug dealers and some good people?
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JC29856 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    eddiec said:
    I watched the above clip several times. MS13 was mentioned but it sounds like he is talking about immigrants in general. The point is:He's clueless and doesn't communicate like an adult. I have an alcoholic cousin. When she gets hammered she begins rambling about absolute crap. I can barely follow her thought pattern. Trump reminds me of her.
    the part that makes me believe he's generalizing all immigrants with that is " And we're taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that's never happened before". are you really getting rid of MS13 members at a rate that's never happened before? My take is he was speaking of all illegals, not just the gang members. 
    not sure about ms13 deportations but arrests have doubled.
    does is matter that trump referred specifically to ms13 and gang members in the past as animals?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utjyue2NUhQ

    I don't know. does it matter he also referred to all illegal immigrants from mexico as rapists and murderers and drug dealers and some good people?
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