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3 years, 4 months between Pearl Jam and Backspacer
4 years, 1 month between Backspacer and Lightning Bolt
4 years, 7 months (and counting) between Lightning Bolt and Album #11
Been a fan of this band for about 24 years now. Unfortunately, for me, it feels more like a nostalgia act these days than anything else. I think of Ed saying (at R&R Hall of Fame induction) something along the lines of being halfway done, or halfway to the honor. It just seems so insincere. There is almost zero proof that this band is hungry and wanting to create great music these days. Stone made a comment a few years ago... something about music that's not as difficult as their early days, as in easier to replicate on stage. I took it as, "We don't want to be bothered with challenging ourselves anymore."
There's been 1 album since PJ20, and that album felt very much like the previous one, nothing people were blown away by. I have no problem with the band doing whatever they want at whatever pace they want, but my hope would be the payoff would be worth the 5 years of waiting. For example, Radiohead takes a while between albums (they're also at that mid-life, families, other interests portion of their lives), but they're not churning out "Sleeping By Myself" and "Let the Records Play". It took 4+ years to get Backspacer. It took 4 1/2 to get Backspacer Part 2,... whoops, I mean Lightning Bolt.
I have tickets to Wrigley later this year, but Christ... I've already done that twice. When I heard "forthcoming album", I thought, "well good, finally I'll see some shows supporting a new album". Now it's sounding like probably not.
Post edited by wnh1977 on1998: 6/26, 6/27, 6/29
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/290 -
There’s always more merch though!I'm like an opening band for your mom.0
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I love this band because of the music that exists, not the music that might potentially exist in the future. If we get a new album, great. If we don't but they keep touring, great. The shows are what keeps me coming back. If that makes me a fanboy, so be it.
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wnh1977 said:3 years, 4 months between Pearl Jam and Backspacer
4 years, 1 month between Backspacer and Lightning Bolt
4 years, 7 months (and counting) between Lightning Bolt and Album #11
Been a fan of this band for about 24 years now. Unfortunately, for me, it feels more like a nostalgia act these days than anything else. I think of Ed saying (at R&R Hall of Fame induction) something along the lines of being halfway done, or halfway to the honor. It just seems so insincere. There is almost zero proof that this band is hungry and wanting to create great music these days. Stone made a comment a few years ago... something about music that's not as difficult as their early days, as in easier to replicate on stage. I took it as, "We don't want to be bothered with challenging ourselves anymore."
There's been 1 album since PJ20, and that album felt very much like the previous one, nothing people were blown away by. I have no problem with the band doing whatever they want at whatever pace they want, but my hope would be the payoff would be worth the 5 years of waiting. For example, Radiohead takes a while between albums (they're also at that mid-life, families, other interests portion of their lives), but they're not churning out "Sleeping By Myself" and "Let the Records Play". It took 4+ years to get Backspacer. It took 4 1/2 to get Backspacer Part 2,... whoops, I mean Lightning Bolt.
I have tickets to Wrigley and later this year, but Christ... I've already done that twice. When I heard "forthcoming album", I thought, "well good, finally I'll see some shows supporting a new album". Now it's sounding like probably not.
gossard really stopped playing guitar when andy died. this is a guy that gets called "riff master" by the entire band and yet their guitar work is boring af. blame eddie, blame age, blame whatever helps you sleep better at night but their "simplicity" he references is exactly what turns off more than half the people i used to play this band to. i know he thinks it's cool and very neil young'sh to say, but honestly it's just lazy and he almost removes himself from even being needed on most eddie songs.oh, almost forgot...that's just my opinion.
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Yeah, that's a good line. Me too I guess? I mean... I do wish they were still making music that I could love, sure. A new album that I think is great would be an incredible surprise .... but I love them because of what they've already done (or in spite of it since S/T, haha).JimmyV said:I love this band because of the music that exists, not the music that might potentially exist in the future. If we get a new album, great. If we don't but they keep touring, great. The shows are what keeps me coming back. If that makes me a fanboy, so be it.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Well saidwnh1977 said:3 years, 4 months between Pearl Jam and Backspacer
4 years, 1 month between Backspacer and Lightning Bolt
4 years, 7 months (and counting) between Lightning Bolt and Album #11
Been a fan of this band for about 24 years now. Unfortunately, for me, it feels more like a nostalgia act these days than anything else. I think of Ed saying (at R&R Hall of Fame induction) something along the lines of being halfway done, or halfway to the honor. It just seems so insincere. There is almost zero proof that this band is hungry and wanting to create great music these days. Stone made a comment a few years ago... something about music that's not as difficult as their early days, as in easier to replicate on stage. I took it as, "We don't want to be bothered with challenging ourselves anymore."
There's been 1 album since PJ20, and that album felt very much like the previous one, nothing people were blown away by. I have no problem with the band doing whatever they want at whatever pace they want, but my hope would be the payoff would be worth the 5 years of waiting. For example, Radiohead takes a while between albums (they're also at that mid-life, families, other interests portion of their lives), but they're not churning out "Sleeping By Myself" and "Let the Records Play". It took 4+ years to get Backspacer. It took 4 1/2 to get Backspacer Part 2,... whoops, I mean Lightning Bolt.
I have tickets to Wrigley and later this year, but Christ... I've already done that twice. When I heard "forthcoming album", I thought, "well good, finally I'll see some shows supporting a new album". Now it's sounding like probably not.6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/160 -
"Forthcoming" was a bit misleading but I am happy the band cleared up the confusion regarding timing of the new album.
I agree we are down to 2-3 albums left.
Alot of this has to do with where they are in their lives, as many have said above. It's very common for bands to lose their songwriting "edge" once they hit 40.
When bands are in their 20s and they know whether they can become wealthy stars drives many to write incredible music. It seems once they reach "stardom" it gets tougher to create.
I wonder if it is coincidental that artists who put out great albums after 40 are successful, yet not celebrity level stars.
Steven Wilson comes to mind. From interviews, it seems at 50 he still believes he has something to prove
Also, bottom line is albums do not sell anymore. Touring does. PJ are still young enough to need to earn an income (or want to earn an income) for as many years as possible before retirement.
The only way for them to consistently bank seven figures year after year is to hit the road. But, they want to limit their time on the road to about 25 shows per year.Post edited by Lerxst1992 on0 -
This is exactly where I'm at. I honestly don't care when the next album comes out. As long as I can keep seeing shows once every couple years, I'm happyJimmyV said:I love this band because of the music that exists, not the music that might potentially exist in the future. If we get a new album, great. If we don't but they keep touring, great. The shows are what keeps me coming back. If that makes me a fanboy, so be it.
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I remember seeing the Rolling Stones in 2005. I was happy to see them, of course, they were one of the legendary rock bands of all time. But it felt like just a fun, nostalgia thing. I think one could argue that the Stones in 2005 were like the PJ of today, granted they were about a decade older.
When I saw the Stones in 2005, their recent history was: Dirty Work (1986) Steel Wheels (1989), Voodoo Lounge (1994), Bridges to Babylon (1997), A Bigger Bang (2005). So, 5 albums in 20 years. Pearl Jam has released 5 albums in the last 20 years. PJ's time between albums has steadily gone up in the past dozen years.
When I saw the Stones, they were kind of thought of as a caricature. They were already thought of as old dudes and that is 13 years ago! You were going to see a huge stage show, fireworks, and dudes playing their hits from a quarter-century ago. When you go to PJ, you go to see a guy swinging from globes in a massive ballpark playing their hits from a quarter-century ago.
So, after I saw the Stones once in 2005, I had very little urge to see them again. I mean, I would, but I wasn't going to travel a great distance or spend $250 to see a nostalgia act again. I think I've kind of reached that point with PJ. I get good seats with the fan club. And ticket prices, though they've gone up, haven't gotten out of hand. So I'll see them, but just to have a good time... watch a guy swing from the aforementioned globes, probably catch a marriage proposal on stage... but it's just a big spectacle in a ballpark these days, just like the Stones were at PNC Park in Pittsburgh in 2005.
From a legacy standpoint, I much prefer bands who end it at the right time rather than drag out their career to cash in on touring revenue. I think it tarnishes the legacy. If your heart isn't in it for the right reasons, please be done with it. I guess I have to give the obligatory, "That's just me, as a fan talking." I know they do good with their money. Doing a little touring allows them comfortable lives and allows them to do good deeds. I get it. I think what we see here on the boards is that's it's a very, very fine line to maneuver. Many fans are saying the same things I am (except they're not quite as longwinded)
The Beatles studio albums came between 1963 - 1970. Zeppelin's studio albums came between 1969 - 1979 (1982 if you count Coda). Roger Waters felt Pink Floyd was a "spent force" after The Final Cut, so he was fine with it ending after a run of 1967 - 1983. "Spent force"... sorry, that's what PJ is for me today. That's what the Stones were for me in 2005. That's what The Who has been for as long as I remember... seriously, Pete and Roger are still going on under the very lucrative title, "The Who"? I bet research has shown that a "Townshend/Daltrey" moniker wouldn't sell as well.1998: 6/26, 6/27, 6/29
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/290 -
Such the opposite for me but I realize I’m way in the minority. I’d rather have new songs over new tour dates.CantKeepmedown said:
This is exactly where I'm at. I honestly don't care when the next album comes out. As long as I can keep seeing shows once every couple years, I'm happyJimmyV said:I love this band because of the music that exists, not the music that might potentially exist in the future. If we get a new album, great. If we don't but they keep touring, great. The shows are what keeps me coming back. If that makes me a fanboy, so be it.0 -
Wouldn't a nostalgia act be a band who wheels out the same 20 or so songs (maybe mixing up 2-3 songs) for 90 minutes each night? I understand differing opinions and how some would prefer new music while others just want to see shows. But when I think of nostalgia, I hardly think of Pearl Jam. I think over the course of 2 nights in the same city, you'll likely see 50-60 different songs and a near 3 hour show each night. Not what some of these current nostalgia acts are doing.
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If I had any faith that I'd actually like the new songs and that they wouldn't just make me feel like PJ has completely lost their inspiration as a band, I'd feel the same way.Deadman said:
Such the opposite for me but I realize I’m way in the minority. I’d rather have new songs over new tour dates.CantKeepmedown said:
This is exactly where I'm at. I honestly don't care when the next album comes out. As long as I can keep seeing shows once every couple years, I'm happyJimmyV said:I love this band because of the music that exists, not the music that might potentially exist in the future. If we get a new album, great. If we don't but they keep touring, great. The shows are what keeps me coming back. If that makes me a fanboy, so be it.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I'm pretty much right in line with what you have stated. We got a shit ton of material between 1991 - 2003, but it's been a lot of nothing since then. I'd be generous and include 2006 in that span as well since I do really enjoy Self Titled and that tour was their last massive one.wnh1977 said:I remember seeing the Rolling Stones in 2005. I was happy to see them, of course, they were one of the legendary rock bands of all time. But it felt like just a fun, nostalgia thing. I think one could argue that the Stones in 2005 were like the PJ of today, granted they were about a decade older.
When I saw the Stones in 2005, their recent history was: Dirty Work (1986) Steel Wheels (1989), Voodoo Lounge (1994), Bridges to Babylon (1997), A Bigger Bang (2005). So, 5 albums in 20 years. Pearl Jam has released 5 albums in the last 20 years. PJ's time between albums has steadily gone up in the past dozen years.
When I saw the Stones, they were kind of thought of as a caricature. They were already thought of as old dudes and that is 13 years ago! You were going to see a huge stage show, fireworks, and dudes playing their hits from a quarter-century ago. When you go to PJ, you go to see a guy swinging from globes in a massive ballpark playing their hits from a quarter-century ago.
So, after I saw the Stones once in 2005, I had very little urge to see them again. I mean, I would, but I wasn't going to travel a great distance or spend $250 to see a nostalgia act again. I think I've kind of reached that point with PJ. I get good seats with the fan club. And ticket prices, though they've gone up, haven't gotten out of hand. So I'll see them, but just to have a good time... watch a guy swing from the aforementioned globes, probably catch a marriage proposal on stage... but it's just a big spectacle in a ballpark these days, just like the Stones were at PNC Park in Pittsburgh in 2005.
From a legacy standpoint, I much prefer bands who end it at the right time rather than drag out their career to cash in on touring revenue. I think it tarnishes the legacy. If your heart isn't in it for the right reasons, please be done with it. I guess I have to give the obligatory, "That's just me, as a fan talking." I know they do good with their money. Doing a little touring allows them comfortable lives and allows them to do good deeds. I get it. I think what we see here on the boards is that's it's a very, very fine line to maneuver. Many fans are saying the same things I am (except they're not quite as longwinded)
The Beatles studio albums came between 1963 - 1970. Zeppelin's studio albums came between 1969 - 1979 (1982 if you count Coda). Roger Waters felt Pink Floyd was a "spent force" after The Final Cut, so he was fine with it ending after a run of 1967 - 1983. "Spent force"... sorry, that's what PJ is for me today. That's what the Stones were for me in 2005. That's what The Who has been for as long as I remember... seriously, Pete and Roger are still going on under the very lucrative title, "The Who"? I bet research has shown that a "Townshend/Daltrey" moniker wouldn't sell as well.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
I’m with youDeadman said:
Such the opposite for me but I realize I’m way in the minority. I’d rather have new songs over new tour dates.CantKeepmedown said:
This is exactly where I'm at. I honestly don't care when the next album comes out. As long as I can keep seeing shows once every couple years, I'm happyJimmyV said:I love this band because of the music that exists, not the music that might potentially exist in the future. If we get a new album, great. If we don't but they keep touring, great. The shows are what keeps me coming back. If that makes me a fanboy, so be it.
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PJ_Soul said:
If I had any faith that I'd actually like the new songs and that they wouldn't just make me feel like PJ has completely lost their inspiration as a band, I'd feel the same way.Deadman said:
Such the opposite for me but I realize I’m way in the minority. I’d rather have new songs over new tour dates.CantKeepmedown said:
This is exactly where I'm at. I honestly don't care when the next album comes out. As long as I can keep seeing shows once every couple years, I'm happyJimmyV said:I love this band because of the music that exists, not the music that might potentially exist in the future. If we get a new album, great. If we don't but they keep touring, great. The shows are what keeps me coming back. If that makes me a fanboy, so be it.
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What I am curious about is that where Eddie channels his creative energy into. It is inconceivable to me that he doesn't create anymore, but in some different shape and form, I guess.0
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Coming up with new reasons to tell the family he has to go to ANOTHER Cubs game?DZ174741 said:What I am curious about is that where Eddie channels his creative energy into. It is inconceivable to me that he doesn't create anymore, but in some different shape and form, I guess.
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wnh1977 said:3 years, 4 months between Pearl Jam and Backspacer
4 years, 1 month between Backspacer and Lightning Bolt
4 years, 7 months (and counting) between Lightning Bolt and Album #11
Been a fan of this band for about 24 years now. Unfortunately, for me, it feels more like a nostalgia act these days than anything else. I think of Ed saying (at R&R Hall of Fame induction) something along the lines of being halfway done, or halfway to the honor. It just seems so insincere. There is almost zero proof that this band is hungry and wanting to create great music these days. Stone made a comment a few years ago... something about music that's not as difficult as their early days, as in easier to replicate on stage. I took it as, "We don't want to be bothered with challenging ourselves anymore."
There's been 1 album since PJ20, and that album felt very much like the previous one, nothing people were blown away by. I have no problem with the band doing whatever they want at whatever pace they want, but my hope would be the payoff would be worth the 5 years of waiting. For example, Radiohead takes a while between albums (they're also at that mid-life, families, other interests portion of their lives), but they're not churning out "Sleeping By Myself" and "Let the Records Play". It took 4+ years to get Backspacer. It took 4 1/2 to get Backspacer Part 2,... whoops, I mean Lightning Bolt.
I have tickets to Wrigley and later this year, but Christ... I've already done that twice. When I heard "forthcoming album", I thought, "well good, finally I'll see some shows supporting a new album". Now it's sounding like probably not.
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I used to be in the boat as long as they tour I’m good to go but now I can’t anymore to many Betterman’s , evenflows , RITFW , Yellowledbetter I won’t be attending any shows this year maybe in the future but for now I’m done ..jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Definitely agree they seem to be turning in to a nostalgia act these days. We don't know if it's by choice or not. The creative juices may have dried up...? Can't Deny Me isn't very encouraging if that's the best that they come up with after 4-5 years of no music.
But hey, I love these guys no matter what and will always appreciate what they've given us.0
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