New Jeff interview, talks new solo record, his band’s upcoming album and tour, plus Kanye

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

tbergs said:

BS44325 said:

I’m really disappointed in Jeff’s take on Kanye. Nobody has to accept Kanye’s beliefs in any way shape or form but to see a guy like Jeff say “I have a hard time separating the art from the artist...” or to accuse him of just doing this for publicity is just so sad. Pearl Jam has taken a variety of political stances over the years and fans such have myself have supported them in taking those positions even when I disagree with them. I support their art and their right to take a stand and I only assumed Jeff would feel the same. His closed mindedness is what is unfortunate.

I get what you're saying, but I'd call it the Nugent effect. When an artist is generally a jackass as a person, I have a hard time enjoying their music. I think it makes sense. I think Kanye has made some outstanding music over the years, but he is such a narcissistic asshat I can't stand it. You can't compare PJ to someone like that because they're not self righteous reality TV pricks. PJ get a pass because they're all decent people. Ed may go on a rant, but he's never proclaimed himself to be the next coming of Christ. Not much decent about Kanye the person.

I understand and I actually don’t care how people feel about Kanye but I’m getting the impression from this interview that Jeff is telling Kanye to “shut up and sing”. We all know how PJ felt about the attacks on them and the Dixie Chicks etc. during the Bush years and it comes off as hypocritical to see Jeff fail to support another artist even if he disagrees with him. A more thoughful response would have been “I personally disagree with Kanye but I respect his right as an artist to take a stand and push his position through his art”. Is Jeff ok with radio stations banning Kanye’s music like some did to the Dixie Chicks? A real courageous answer would have taken the rights of artistic expression head on as it is what PJ has always stood for and Jeff failed massively on this front. No dragon energy.

There's not even a hint of "shut up and sing" in that. 
You are (whether you realize it or not) riding a bandwagon  that's hot right now, right wingers jumping to Kanye's defense because he said something good about Trump.  It's all the rage right now, but it will pass soon.
Don't just make up a controversy where there is none to be had.

There certainly is a hint of shut up and sing. And let’s be clear...Jeff said that he loves Kanye. He had no problem “enjoying” Kanye’s music after the “George Bush doesn’t care about black people” incident. Now that Kanye is all MAGA however...well...his music can no longer be enjoyed! The defense I am jumping too is free speech and free speech alone. I’m ok with anything Kanye says and have never let his views taint my enjoyment of his music. My assumption is Jeff as an artist would have similar views and the “shut up and sing” hint arises from the pressures other artists will feel from speaking out in anyway they choose. 

It's not "shut up and sing" it's "dude, if you are going to say something, say something that makes sense".
I don't listen to Kanye, so I don't get the "genius" of him.  All I see is a guy who can't even articulate his thoughts and feelings when asked to.
Childish Gambino just did in 4 minutes what Kanye has been trying to do for a decade.
Jeff is right to wonder, if his music is supposedly so solid, why can't he actually defend his insane statements and control his insane ego?

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

I'm going to sit down and appreciate The Cosby Show tonight and not worry about what type of person Bill really is. Can't let the person interfere with their art and all

I actually did this. I guess I was curious. The show still absolutely holds up - it's definitely some solid, wholesome, well-conceived family entertainment, and I actually didn't appreciate what good actors most of them were when I was a kid. It's a good show! .... However, there were definitely a lot of "eeekkk, that is creepy/icky/awkward now that I know what he's really like" moments. Cosby's crimes came to my mind several times an episode. His crimes/perversion definitely interfered with his art in terms of what I thought and felt while watching..... According to BS, I should feel bad about this.

And notice that in Ta-Nehisi’s essay, two concepts — freedom and music — that have long been seen as universal, transcending class or race or gender or any form of identity toward an idea of the eternally human or even divine — are emphatically tribalized and brought decisively down to earth. Freedom, in this worldview, does not and cannot unite Americans of all races; neither can music. Because there is no category of simply human freedom possible in America, now or ever. There is only tribe. And the struggle against the other tribe. And this will never end.”

I though Jeff would support the “free artist”. Again I’m talking about “thought” and not “rape” for those who are confused. 

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Hi! said:

“When you hear about slavery for 400 years, for 400 years? That sounds like a choice,” West told TMZ’s Harvey Levin. “Like, you was there for 400 years and it’s all of y’all?”

Kanye also sounded off about his support for Trump, saying: “I just love Trump, that’s my boy,” adding that “Trump is one of rap’s favorite people.”

In the “TMZ Live” clip, West turns to those working in the newsroom and asks: “Do you feel that I’m being free and I’m thinking free?”

“I actually don’t think you’re thinking anything,” TMZ writer Van Lathan said, as he stood up from his desk to respond to West’s question. “I think what you’re doing right now is actually the absence of thought.”

Lathan went on to elaborate, saying:

“You’re entitled to believe whatever you want, but there is fact and real world, real life consequence behind everything you just said. And while you are making music and being an artist and living the life that you’ve earned by being a genius, the rest of us in society have to deal with these threats to our lives. We have to deal with the marginalization that has come from the 400 years of slavery that you said for our people was a choice. Frankly, I’m disappointed, I’m appalled and brotha, I’m unbelievably hurt by the fact that you have morphed into something that, to me, is not real.”

West is then seen approaching Lathan and can be heard apologizing before the clip ends.

The most racist part in all of this discussion is conservatives’ assumption that most black people are feebleminded lemmings whose dunderheaded thoughts must be the result of low IQ and brainwashing because, according to their logic, conservative white people know best. Apparently, they believe that all the idling Negro minds put together don’t equate to one brain cell of a free thinker like Donald Trump.

The fucked-up part is that Kanye believes this, too. The rest of us are too dumb to free ourselves, or too lazy to work ourselves out of our black misery. But he thinks “freely” now.