The Concept of God

PJ_Soul · May 2018

HughFreakingDillon said:

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PJ_Soul said:

And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.

so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical.

i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.

No, I did not say it's logical. I said it's not as preposterous. I said that it's at least scientifically feasible, unlike God, because holographic simulations actually exist.

RYME · May 2018

brianlux said:

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brianlux said:

What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from). My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture". In fact, according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby. And according to this article:

http://brazenchurch.com/endtimes-rapture-bible/

the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.

I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run. According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/april/sorry-left-behind-pastors-end-times-rapture-antichrist.html

No Brian there is no rapture.
The word rapture isn't in the Bible.
The Rapture Theory started around 1830 because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.

Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!

If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?

That's alright Brian. I can see how you might have thought that. Some people are just certain for sure that there is no God. To that, I suggested reading 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2.
Here it is again.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2&version=KJV

PJ_Soul · May 2018

Quoting the Bible when trying to tell an Atheist he or she is sinful and wicked (and that is what you're calling me with that quote) is pretty much the most pointless method for discussion possible.

jeffbr · May 2018

RYME said:

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brianlux said:

RYME said:

brianlux said:

What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from). My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture". In fact, according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby. And according to this article:

http://brazenchurch.com/endtimes-rapture-bible/

the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.

I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run. According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/april/sorry-left-behind-pastors-end-times-rapture-antichrist.html

No Brian there is no rapture.
The word rapture isn't in the Bible.
The Rapture Theory started around 1830 because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.

Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!

If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?

That's alright Brian. I can see how you might have thought that. Some people are just certain for sure that there is no God. To that, I suggested reading 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2.
Here it is again.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2&version=KJV

Seems like a vengeful god who is insecure about his/her supremacy. "You better believe in my or you're going to burn."

Gern Blansten · May 2018

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
	...Stephen F Roberts

Gern Blansten · May 2018

jeffbr said:

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RYME said:

brianlux said:

RYME said:

brianlux said:

What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from). My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture". In fact, according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby. And according to this article:

http://brazenchurch.com/endtimes-rapture-bible/

the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.

I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run. According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/april/sorry-left-behind-pastors-end-times-rapture-antichrist.html

No Brian there is no rapture.
The word rapture isn't in the Bible.
The Rapture Theory started around 1830 because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.

Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!

If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?

That's alright Brian. I can see how you might have thought that. Some people are just certain for sure that there is no God. To that, I suggested reading 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2.
Here it is again.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2&version=KJV

Seems like a vengeful god who is insecure about his/her supremacy. "You better believe in my or you're going to burn."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/04/26/heartsick-boy-asks-pope-my-dad-heaven/553844002/

Pope says we're all good. I'll side with the Pope.

PJ_Soul · May 2018

Gern Blansten said:

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
...Stephen F Roberts

That's a good quote. I would argue that it doesn't quite cover all the bases, since the belief that the concept of any God is ludicrous doesn't apply to someone who believes in any god. But still, it makes a point that might at least make a believer think for a second.

HughFreakingDillon · May 2018

Gern Blansten said:

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jeffbr said:

RYME said:

brianlux said:

RYME said:

brianlux said:

What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from). My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture". In fact, according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby. And according to this article:

http://brazenchurch.com/endtimes-rapture-bible/

the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.

I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run. According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/april/sorry-left-behind-pastors-end-times-rapture-antichrist.html

No Brian there is no rapture.
The word rapture isn't in the Bible.
The Rapture Theory started around 1830 because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.

Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!

If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?

That's alright Brian. I can see how you might have thought that. Some people are just certain for sure that there is no God. To that, I suggested reading 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2.
Here it is again.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2&version=KJV

Seems like a vengeful god who is insecure about his/her supremacy. "You better believe in my or you're going to burn."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/04/26/heartsick-boy-asks-pope-my-dad-heaven/553844002/

Pope says we're all good. I'll side with the Pope.

and yet that shithead refuses to apologize for the role in aboriginal genocide in canada.

PJ_Soul · May 2018

HughFreakingDillon said:

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Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

RYME said:

brianlux said:

RYME said:

brianlux said:

What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from). My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture". In fact, according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby. And according to this article:

http://brazenchurch.com/endtimes-rapture-bible/

the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.

I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run. According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/april/sorry-left-behind-pastors-end-times-rapture-antichrist.html

No Brian there is no rapture.
The word rapture isn't in the Bible.
The Rapture Theory started around 1830 because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.

Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!

If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?

That's alright Brian. I can see how you might have thought that. Some people are just certain for sure that there is no God. To that, I suggested reading 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2.
Here it is again.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2&version=KJV

Seems like a vengeful god who is insecure about his/her supremacy. "You better believe in my or you're going to burn."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/04/26/heartsick-boy-asks-pope-my-dad-heaven/553844002/

Pope says we're all good. I'll side with the Pope.

and yet that shithead refuses to apologize for the role in aboriginal genocide in canada.

And still refuses to move towards gender equality within the Church.

PJ_Soul · May 2018

PJ_Soul said:

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HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

RYME said:

brianlux said:

RYME said:

brianlux said:

What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from). My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture". In fact, according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby. And according to this article:

http://brazenchurch.com/endtimes-rapture-bible/

the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.

I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run. According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/april/sorry-left-behind-pastors-end-times-rapture-antichrist.html

No Brian there is no rapture.
The word rapture isn't in the Bible.
The Rapture Theory started around 1830 because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.

Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!

If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?

That's alright Brian. I can see how you might have thought that. Some people are just certain for sure that there is no God. To that, I suggested reading 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2.
Here it is again.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2&version=KJV

Seems like a vengeful god who is insecure about his/her supremacy. "You better believe in my or you're going to burn."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/04/26/heartsick-boy-asks-pope-my-dad-heaven/553844002/

Pope says we're all good. I'll side with the Pope.

and yet that shithead refuses to apologize for the role in aboriginal genocide in canada.

And still refuses to move towards gender equality within the Church.

Plus pedophile priests are still being shifted around from parish to parish.

Gern Blansten · May 2018

PJ_Soul said:

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Gern Blansten said:

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
...Stephen F Roberts

That's a good quote. I would argue that it doesn't quite cover all the bases, since the belief that the concept of any God is ludicrous doesn't apply to someone who believes in any god. But still, it makes a point that might at least make a believer think for a second.

I think it does though....many Christians think it is ludicrous to believe in Allah, so if you think that is ludicrous then they should understand why we think believing in a christian god is ludicrous.

Of course they won't...they will pray for our flesh to be burned in eternal hellfire and damnation for not believing because Jesus likes that shit.

HughFreakingDillon · May 2018

Gern Blansten said:

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PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
...Stephen F Roberts

That's a good quote. I would argue that it doesn't quite cover all the bases, since the belief that the concept of any God is ludicrous doesn't apply to someone who believes in any god. But still, it makes a point that might at least make a believer think for a second.

I think it does though....many Christians think it is ludicrous to believe in Allah, so if you think that is ludicrous then they should understand why we think believing in a christian god is ludicrous.

Of course they won't...they will pray for our flesh to be burned in eternal hellfire and damnation for not believing because Jesus likes that shit.

I see PJ Soul's point though. My wife, who is catholic, had a hard time when we first started dating. she can understand people believing in different gods (even if they are the "wrong one"), but she was baffled that I "didn't believe in anything" and therefore had no right to be offended by anything in the church.

PJ_Soul · May 2018

Gern Blansten said:

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PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
...Stephen F Roberts

That's a good quote. I would argue that it doesn't quite cover all the bases, since the belief that the concept of any God is ludicrous doesn't apply to someone who believes in any god. But still, it makes a point that might at least make a believer think for a second.

I think it does though....many Christians think it is ludicrous to believe in Allah, so if you think that is ludicrous then they should understand why we think believing in a christian god is ludicrous.

Of course they won't...they will pray for our flesh to be burned in eternal hellfire and damnation for not believing because Jesus likes that shit.

Yeah, as HFD said, thinking others believe in the wrong god isn't the same as not believing in any god. Those are still very different points of view. What they think is ludicrous is completely different from what a non-believer thinks is ludicrous, like on the basic philosophical and psychological level.
Also, just FYI, Allah and the Christian God are the same God. If a Christian doesn't acknowledge that, then they really don't know wtf is even going on.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · May 2018

Thoughts_Arrive said:

What if God was one of us?

Just a slob like one of us?

Gern Blansten · May 2018

PJ_Soul said:

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Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
...Stephen F Roberts

That's a good quote. I would argue that it doesn't quite cover all the bases, since the belief that the concept of any God is ludicrous doesn't apply to someone who believes in any god. But still, it makes a point that might at least make a believer think for a second.

I think it does though....many Christians think it is ludicrous to believe in Allah, so if you think that is ludicrous then they should understand why we think believing in a christian god is ludicrous.

Of course they won't...they will pray for our flesh to be burned in eternal hellfire and damnation for not believing because Jesus likes that shit.

Yeah, as HFD said, thinking others believe in the wrong god isn't the same as not believing in any god. Those are still very different points of view. What they think is ludicrous is completely different from what a non-believer thinks is ludicrous, like on the basic philosophical and psychological level.
Also, just FYI, Allah and the Christian God are the same God. If a Christian doesn't acknowledge that, then they really don't know wtf is even going on.

yeah they don't know that....no idea

my2hands · May 2018

Gern Blansten said:

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
...Stephen F Roberts

good stuff

newsflash folks, there is no god, there is no heaven, there is no hell... shocking, I know

"its all bullshit, and its bad for you" - George Carlin (RIP)

RYME · May 2018

We will all find out eventually won't we.
I'm looking forward to it.

PJ_Soul · May 2018

RYME said:

We will all find out eventually won't we.
I'm looking forward to it.

Me too.

Degeneratefk · May 2018

RYME said:

We will all find out eventually won't we.
I'm looking forward to it.

I disagree with this. When you die, you not know at all. You're dead.

PJ_Soul · May 2018

Degeneratefk said:

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RYME said:

We will all find out eventually won't we.
I'm looking forward to it.

I disagree with this. When you die, you not know at all. You're dead.

Yes, you're definitely dead... I have no clue, however, if there is an afterlife or not. Probably not. I seriously doubt it. I don't think so at all. But who knows? Perhaps there is some kind of natural process that does allow for it. Energy never dies after all... for all we know, consciousness is contained in energy somehow. No one has really been able to define consciousness, technically, so we don't know.

So yeah, I am looking forward to either finding out what happens, if anything, because I'm sure that interesting as hell, har har har ... And if it's nothing, I won't know the difference anyhow so it doesn't matter.

What I feel 100% sure of is that IF (and that is an infinity minus 1 if) the after life is a thing, it is not based on some sick and twisted system of meritocracy, as religious folks would have you believe. What a bunch of crazy nonsense that is.

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