The Concept of God

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.

so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical. 

i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.  

Gern Blansten said:

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
	...Stephen F Roberts

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

RYME said:

brianlux said:

RYME said:

brianlux said:

What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from).  My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture".  In fact,  according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby.  And according to this article:

http://brazenchurch.com/endtimes-rapture-bible/

the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.

I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run.  According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/april/sorry-left-behind-pastors-end-times-rapture-antichrist.html

No Brian there is no rapture.
The word rapture isn't in the Bible.
The Rapture Theory started around 1830  because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.

Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!

If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?

That's alright Brian.  I can see how you might have thought that.  Some people are just certain for sure that there is no God.  To that, I suggested reading 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2.
Here it is again.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2&version=KJV

Seems like a vengeful god who is insecure about his/her supremacy. "You better believe in my or you're going to burn."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/04/26/heartsick-boy-asks-pope-my-dad-heaven/553844002/

Pope says we're all good.  I'll side with the Pope.

and yet that shithead refuses to apologize for the role in aboriginal genocide in canada. 

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
	...Stephen F Roberts

That's a good quote. I would argue that it doesn't quite cover all the bases, since the belief that the concept of any God is ludicrous doesn't apply to someone who believes in any god. But still, it makes a point that might at least make a believer think for a second.

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
	...Stephen F Roberts

That's a good quote. I would argue that it doesn't quite cover all the bases, since the belief that the concept of any God is ludicrous doesn't apply to someone who believes in any god. But still, it makes a point that might at least make a believer think for a second.

I think it does though....many Christians think it is ludicrous to believe in Allah, so if you think that is ludicrous then they should understand why we think believing in a christian god is ludicrous.

Of course they won't...they will pray for our flesh to be burned in eternal hellfire and damnation for not believing because Jesus likes that shit.

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
	...Stephen F Roberts

That's a good quote. I would argue that it doesn't quite cover all the bases, since the belief that the concept of any God is ludicrous doesn't apply to someone who believes in any god. But still, it makes a point that might at least make a believer think for a second.

I think it does though....many Christians think it is ludicrous to believe in Allah, so if you think that is ludicrous then they should understand why we think believing in a christian god is ludicrous.

Of course they won't...they will pray for our flesh to be burned in eternal hellfire and damnation for not believing because Jesus likes that shit.

Yeah, as HFD said, thinking others believe in the wrong god isn't the same as not believing in any god. Those are still very different points of view. What they think is ludicrous is completely different from what a non-believer thinks is ludicrous, like on the basic philosophical and psychological level.
Also, just FYI, Allah and the Christian God are the same God. If a Christian doesn't acknowledge that, then they really don't know wtf is even going on.

RYME said:

We will all find out eventually won't we.
I'm looking forward to it.