London’s knife violence

PJPOWER
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London considers banning knives after murder rate surpasses that of NYC.  What’s next, rocks? Fists?  Maybe if you banned people from going outside?
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/500328002
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    There have been more than 50 homicides in London so far in 2018, and much of the violence is tied to gangs. 

    Imagine if these knife wielding morons had guns to do their bidding? Thank sweet Geezuz they don't!

    Knife attacks are very personal compared to the cold indifference associated with a sweet AR15 attack. I keep thinking of that idiot in Vegas. Imagine if he was lobbing knives at the crowd instead of sitting back with a Coors, scratching his balls, and blasting away at the dense crowd with his assault rifles?

    Logistically... it would have taken him months to get all those knives up to his room.

    Come to think of it... he was useless at mass murder. He should easily have done way better given his arsenal. What a loser: no wonder he killed himself- can't even do mass murder right with 'ideal' conditions.  

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  • PJPOWER
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    There have been more than 50 homicides in London so far in 2018, and much of the violence is tied to gangs. 

    Imagine if these knife wielding morons had guns to do their bidding? Thank sweet Geezuz they don't!

    Knife attacks are very personal compared to the cold indifference associated with a sweet AR15 attack. I keep thinking of that idiot in Vegas. Imagine if he was lobbing knives at the crowd instead of sitting back with a Coors, scratching his balls, and blasting away at the dense crowd with his assault rifles?

    Logistically... it would have taken him months to get all those knives up to his room.

    Come to think of it... he was useless at mass murder. He should easily have done way better given his arsenal. What a loser: no wonder he killed himself- can't even do mass murder right with 'ideal' conditions.  

    * Hey... was this thread supposed to imply something?
    So um, do you agree or disagree with London banning knives?
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,783
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    There have been more than 50 homicides in London so far in 2018, and much of the violence is tied to gangs. 

    Imagine if these knife wielding morons had guns to do their bidding? Thank sweet Geezuz they don't!

    Knife attacks are very personal compared to the cold indifference associated with a sweet AR15 attack. I keep thinking of that idiot in Vegas. Imagine if he was lobbing knives at the crowd instead of sitting back with a Coors, scratching his balls, and blasting away at the dense crowd with his assault rifles?

    Logistically... it would have taken him months to get all those knives up to his room.

    Come to think of it... he was useless at mass murder. He should easily have done way better given his arsenal. What a loser: no wonder he killed himself- can't even do mass murder right with 'ideal' conditions.  

    * Hey... was this thread supposed to imply something?
    yeah knives are more dangerous than guns , how's that saying Don't show up at a gun fight with a knife ...
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    They are not proposing any new laws. Even your own link states that. 
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  • ConorKavanagh
    ConorKavanagh Ireland Posts: 1,148
    I agree wholeheartedly with this if it means more people will feel safer walking around the streets in London. That can be a scary city to be in sometimes.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    PJPOWER said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    There have been more than 50 homicides in London so far in 2018, and much of the violence is tied to gangs. 

    Imagine if these knife wielding morons had guns to do their bidding? Thank sweet Geezuz they don't!

    Knife attacks are very personal compared to the cold indifference associated with a sweet AR15 attack. I keep thinking of that idiot in Vegas. Imagine if he was lobbing knives at the crowd instead of sitting back with a Coors, scratching his balls, and blasting away at the dense crowd with his assault rifles?

    Logistically... it would have taken him months to get all those knives up to his room.

    Come to think of it... he was useless at mass murder. He should easily have done way better given his arsenal. What a loser: no wonder he killed himself- can't even do mass murder right with 'ideal' conditions.  

    * Hey... was this thread supposed to imply something?
    So um, do you agree or disagree with London banning knives?
    They aren't banning them.
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  • brianlux
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    I saw this guy in a store the other day with a big hinting knife in a sheath on his belt and it unnerved me.  I had to leave.  Too many violent fuckers walking around on this planet lately.
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  • ConorKavanagh
    ConorKavanagh Ireland Posts: 1,148
    Yeah, that's what I'm saying exactly. There's this constant fear. When I was in the U.S it was in the back of my mind that someone could have a gun. I know realistically anyone could have a gun anywhere but it definitely felt like a lot more of a possibility than little old Ireland. Ban it all please.
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  • tbergs
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    Aren't there already laws in place that restrict the size and type of knives people can carry or possess? Maybe they just need to enforce the laws on the books so people think twice about stabbing and killing others. Sound familiar?

    Anyway, I don't see the point in banning knives. It's not even comparable to anything being discussed in regards to guns. If only we were the country concerned about only a knife problem.

    I'm actually interested in if the OP really cares about this topic or is just grandstanding and trying to make some inane point.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,958
    Knives are banned


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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,958
    This is what i tried to bring up in one of the gun threads about our knife crime. Its fuckin out of control. These drugged up asshole wanna be big men. Its all gang and revenge stabbings. Police the streets again
     Funding was cut and officers on the beat stopped.  If guns were legal here imagine the carnage


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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited April 2018
    lastexitlondon said:
    Knives are banned
    What are the specifics of that?  Do you feel that banning them is appropriate?  Would someone with a knife in their fishing tackle box get arrested?  What do you think the root cause of the knife violence is?  I’d actually like this to stay a completely separate thread than the gun violence one.  Apples and oranges.  But why is London having such an issue with knife violence?
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,958
    I think this is a thread to almost reply to usa gun crime! Which this does not compare at all.


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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    PJPOWER said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Knives are banned
    What are the specifics of that?  Do you feel that banning them is appropriate?  Would someone with a knife in their fishing tackle box get arrested?  What do you think the root cause of the knife violence is?
    Obviously violent video games, duh.
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  • KC138045
    KC138045 Columbus, OH Posts: 2,716
    ConorKavanagh said:
    Yeah, that's what I'm saying exactly. There's this constant fear. When I was in the U.S it was in the back of my mind that someone could have a gun. I know realistically anyone could have a gun anywhere but it definitely felt like a lot more of a possibility than little old Ireland. Ban it all please.
    What part of the US were you visiting?  Sure there are parts of every city I wouldn't feel comfortable walking around in at night but this is still a very safe country to visit.  A lot safer than most I assume.  It sounds like you have this fear that we're all gun toting lunatics over here.  
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  • oftenreading
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    KC138045 said:
    ConorKavanagh said:
    Yeah, that's what I'm saying exactly. There's this constant fear. When I was in the U.S it was in the back of my mind that someone could have a gun. I know realistically anyone could have a gun anywhere but it definitely felt like a lot more of a possibility than little old Ireland. Ban it all please.
    What part of the US were you visiting?  Sure there are parts of every city I wouldn't feel comfortable walking around in at night but this is still a very safe country to visit.  A lot safer than most I assume.  It sounds like you have this fear that we're all gun toting lunatics over here.  

    The USA ranks 51st a list of countries on a range of measures related to safety, so 50 countries are safer to visit. Ireland, where ConorK traveled from, is much safer, as is Canada and the majority of the European countries. Sure, you can find a bunch of less safe countries, particularly if you fancy getting down and dirty in war zones and such, but you can also find many great places that are safer for tourists. 
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  • lastexitlondon
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    PJPOWER said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Knives are banned
    What are the specifics of that?  Do you feel that banning them is appropriate?  Would someone with a knife in their fishing tackle box get arrested?  What do you think the root cause of the knife violence is?  I’d actually like this to stay a completely separate thread than the gun violence one.  Apples and oranges.  But why is London having such an issue with knife violence?
    We have a knife problem because of many things. My opinion is.
    Drugs
    Fatherless young men
    A generation of young respectless adolescence males
    Gangs
    And in london there are areas where poverty and lifestyle are poor


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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,958
    The mayor of london who is a bit of a dick has been trying to sort it out. But hasn't. It is illegal to carry a knife . Unless its a tool of your trade .i.e chef or tradesman. But you can buy a knife in shop over 18 . I can't see how you stop that. Oh and by the way acid attacks are on the rise. Thats another cowardly act. Gang related mainly.


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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    I also find it interesting that NYC was chosen as the comparator for London. Violent crime is way down there. In fact, NYC is not even in the top 50 cities for murder rate in the USA. It seems to me that NYC was chosen on prior reputation to make London look particularly bad, and not because the comparison is actually particularly relevant. 
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  • tbergs
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    oftenreading said:
    KC138045 said:
    ConorKavanagh said:
    Yeah, that's what I'm saying exactly. There's this constant fear. When I was in the U.S it was in the back of my mind that someone could have a gun. I know realistically anyone could have a gun anywhere but it definitely felt like a lot more of a possibility than little old Ireland. Ban it all please.
    What part of the US were you visiting?  Sure there are parts of every city I wouldn't feel comfortable walking around in at night but this is still a very safe country to visit.  A lot safer than most I assume.  It sounds like you have this fear that we're all gun toting lunatics over here.  

    The USA ranks 51st a list of countries on a range of measures related to safety, so 50 countries are safer to visit. Ireland, where ConorK traveled from, is much safer, as is Canada and the majority of the European countries. Sure, you can find a bunch of less safe countries, particularly if you fancy getting down and dirty in war zones and such, but you can also find many great places that are safer for tourists. 
    Still, the constant fear is unnecessary. This country has a crime problem, but to believe it is so unsafe that you should walk around in fear is ridiculous. The propaganda of the MAGA campaign is clearly working. Where's Aunt B and Andy to make everything alright? It's like anyone outside their comfort zone, manifests their lack of familiarity into fear of an unknown and often unrealistic fear for safety.

    I work and have lived in a major city and have never felt unsafe walking the streets at night. I wouldn't go as far to wander in to run down and abandoned areas or search under overpasses at night, but that's common sense.
    It's a hopeless situation...

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