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Again... I'm not talking about Rand Paul. At all. And of course the bills aren't drafted in secret - I'm not sure why you said that TBH. Yes, I do understand how Capitol Hill and the staff work. I'm simply saying that I don't give a flying fuck about him Randstanding or his faux outrage. I don't believe a fucking word that comes out of that guy's mouth, lol. All I am saying is that he brings up a bigger good point (not on purpose!), that I think everyone should be much more concerned about than Rand's bullshit and stupid Twitter posts. I'm not even talking about a problem that is limited to any particular party. I'm talking about a systemic issue that reaches all parties on the Federal and State levels. I'm just talking about politicians and their ability to be well-informed in current government.Halifax2TheMax said:
These bills are not drafted in secret. Randy’s staff probably helped draft certain sections or at least were involved with sections important to Kentucky, gutting OSHA budget for mine safety enforcement, maybe? The list goes on and on. I’m not sure you understand how Capitol Hill and the staff of those elected work. He’s randstanding and should bring himself to McConnell to express his outrage. Or, he should quit the repube party and become an independent. I’d have more respect for him. Now it’s just faux outrage. This is what, the 8 or 9th time since 2010 that the repubes have acted this way. Bottom line? The repubes in congress are incompetent at being the party in power.PJ_Soul said:
I don't see how that matters. Even a highly educated and motivated staff couldn't do this adequately in the time given, plus NO bill should ever be that size, that's ridiculous. This is far from the first time I've seen this happen. But yeah, of course it's by design. That's the problem!Halifax2TheMax said:
If he’s a competent senator, serving his constituents then he should have highly educated and motivated staff who actually do the work and know what’s in the bill. It basically boils down to limiting the debate, not giving special interests time to read it and ramp up lobbying and allowing the public time to see the details. Randy claiming he doesn’t have time to know what’s in the bill? Farcical. And if the voters gave a shit, they can vote the bums out. The old ways of the genial senate are long gone. Thank the tea party.PJ_Soul said:
Forget about Rand. Ignore that it's him saying it completely. I'm talking about the actual thing that matters here, that he happens to be pointing out for whatever reason. What his actual feelings about it may be and/or his hypocrisy is completely irrelevant to the point I'm making. He really IS highlighting a real problem in government that goes beyond party politics. This kind of thing happens all the time, and not just when his party is in charge. I.e. our politicians are woefully uninformed by design, and even those who care to be informed can't be. That is what everyone should care about. Not "Randstanding".josevolution said:
He had no problem voting for the tax reform bill though , it's his party that's doing all these shinnanigans he belongs to them why doesn't he call out turtle face McConnell or spineless Ryan and complain to them directly ?PJ_Soul said:
I don't care that he's Randstanding though - same old, same old, right? - and I don't think that's the real point. I think there is really a problem being highlighted here, and I don't think that being forced to vote not or abstain is a reasonable alternative to actually knowing wtf is being voted on, ever. This isn't a one-time thing here.Halifax2TheMax said:
He’s Randstanding. They negotiate in committee and the house passed their bill, which will be similar to what they have on the table. It’s not insurmountable and if it is, he can vote no.PJ_Soul said:So.... everyone really thinks that it completely reasonable for anyone in government who needs to vote for something to be given a 2000+ page anything and be expected to make an informed decision with only a day or two to go over it? I don't think that's acceptable at all, actually, even if they do have 8 staffers to go over it for 24-38 hours straight and hopefully pass on all the relevant info to the Congressman or Senator who needs to know about it in a way that really informs him or her. No, that is not reasonable in any way, and everyone should be extremely concerned that this is how their politicians are expected to be informed when they make decisions that impact the citizens. Is everyone responding the way they are just because it's Rand Paul and Unsung? IMO, Rand Paul has a completely legit complaint here. Even just the fact that any document is that huge points out a serious problem.
But yeah, his "a pox on both parties" line is fucking ridiculous.
Of course I wholeheartedly agree that the voters are ultimately responsible... What's to be done about that?? It's pretty hard to fix stupid.
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Well, not everyone gets frenzied at the wrong message, someone else gets it. Nice.PJ_Soul said:
I don't see how that matters. Even a highly educated and motivated staff couldn't do this adequately in the time given, plus NO bill should ever be that size, that's ridiculous. This is far from the first time I've seen this happen. But yeah, of course it's by design. That's the problem!Halifax2TheMax said:
If he’s a competent senator, serving his constituents then he should have highly educated and motivated staff who actually do the work and know what’s in the bill. It basically boils down to limiting the debate, not giving special interests time to read it and ramp up lobbying and allowing the public time to see the details. Randy claiming he doesn’t have time to know what’s in the bill? Farcical. And if the voters gave a shit, they can vote the bums out. The old ways of the genial senate are long gone. Thank the tea party.PJ_Soul said:
Forget about Rand. Ignore that it's him saying it completely. I'm talking about the actual thing that matters here, that he happens to be pointing out for whatever reason. What his actual feelings about it may be and/or his hypocrisy is completely irrelevant to the point I'm making. He really IS highlighting a real problem in government that goes beyond party politics. This kind of thing happens all the time, and not just when his party is in charge. I.e. our politicians are woefully uninformed by design, and even those who care to be informed can't be. That is what everyone should care about. Not "Randstanding".josevolution said:
He had no problem voting for the tax reform bill though , it's his party that's doing all these shinnanigans he belongs to them why doesn't he call out turtle face McConnell or spineless Ryan and complain to them directly ?PJ_Soul said:
I don't care that he's Randstanding though - same old, same old, right? - and I don't think that's the real point. I think there is really a problem being highlighted here, and I don't think that being forced to vote not or abstain is a reasonable alternative to actually knowing wtf is being voted on, ever. This isn't a one-time thing here.Halifax2TheMax said:
He’s Randstanding. They negotiate in committee and the house passed their bill, which will be similar to what they have on the table. It’s not insurmountable and if it is, he can vote no.PJ_Soul said:So.... everyone really thinks that it completely reasonable for anyone in government who needs to vote for something to be given a 2000+ page anything and be expected to make an informed decision with only a day or two to go over it? I don't think that's acceptable at all, actually, even if they do have 8 staffers to go over it for 24-38 hours straight and hopefully pass on all the relevant info to the Congressman or Senator who needs to know about it in a way that really informs him or her. No, that is not reasonable in any way, and everyone should be extremely concerned that this is how their politicians are expected to be informed when they make decisions that impact the citizens. Is everyone responding the way they are just because it's Rand Paul and Unsung? IMO, Rand Paul has a completely legit complaint here. Even just the fact that any document is that huge points out a serious problem.
But yeah, his "a pox on both parties" line is fucking ridiculous.
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How many pages should the federal spending bill be? Have you read it? Have you read any part of it? You could you know but gee, that’d be too much work. I could call my senators and ask them to vote against it, for it or abstain from voting. What are you going to do Unsung? Participate in democracy or just bitch about it?unsung said:
A backfire?my2hands said:Another Unsung backfire lol
Maybe the GOP can blame Obama? Bwahahahaha
You act as if I don't expect you all to act frenzied and triggered from seeing him. This stuff doesn't surprise me at all.
The problem you all see isn't a 2000 page spending bill, it is that he should pay ten staffers to go and read it instead of issuing a complaint.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Are you going to exercise your first amendment right to freedom of speech and to a redress of grievances? Or just bitch and moan? Stop being a victim.unsung said:The US is not a democracy.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Remember when he did the same tweet about the tax bill? No? Oh, right, Rand doesn't actually care about this issue, and neither does OP6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/160
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Sounds like the quintessential "put all your eggs in one basket". Must be an Easter Bill, right?
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Ha, ha, ha, fucking ha!unsung said:Democracy is mob rule and uncivilized.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Someone needs more aluminum foil. Way more.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Isn't this a classic case of virtue signaling?Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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so much for objections.
ole rand fell right in line at vote time.
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He's considering a veto of the bill his party wrote because...Democrats?
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Funny how that worked out, eh? The #Randstand got the attention Rand wanted. Almost like that is all that mattered.mickeyrat said:so much for objections.
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Pouty, pouty, pouty, pouty Boy!JimmyV said:He's considering a veto of the bill his party wrote because...Democrats?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Almost certain that he saw something on Fox & Friends (his television cabinet) that didn't like.Halifax2TheMax said:
Pouty, pouty, pouty, pouty Boy!JimmyV said:He's considering a veto of the bill his party wrote because...Democrats?
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487That is what they are finding in this bill.0
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Is that like snowflake triggering?rgambs said:Isn't this a classic case of virtue signaling?0
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