mrussel1 said:

Agree on the point on the hypothetical situation of parents forcing kids to protest gun violence.  I fucking hate the Left wing brain washing. 

PJPOWER said:

josevolution said:

PJPOWER said:

josevolution said:

PJPOWER said:

unsung said:

They are being used as pawns, marching to eliminate their rights, to give bad people control.

I couldn’t care less about the older students standing up for what they believe and deciding to suffer the consequences of skipping school as long as they are not disrupting the education of those choosing not to participate.  If they do not suffer consequences, I think it would be discriminatory if a child protested for a different cause or apposing view and did suffer repercussions.  
When I see pictures of elementary aged children carrying the protest signs around or “skipping”, though, the word that comes to mind is “exploitation”.  I am not okay with exploiting children for any means and believe it is a form of child abuse.  

How would you know if the so called kids are being exploited with out knowing if the parents are the ones who put them up to it , as it stands your opinion is just that an opinion..

It is totally just my opinion, as yours is. Whether or not their parents put them up to it, elementary and middle school aged children should not be allowed to skip to protest (in my opinion) and it is exploitation.  
If their parents specifically take them out of school, then the parents are responsible for whatever they are doing or wherever they are going.  I still feel that it is exploitation to parade a child around that does not fully grasp the situation.  
As a parent, though, if the school freely allowed my child to walk out the doors of the school to a non-school related event (such as a protest) without my written permission, I would probably sue the shit out of them.  They are responsible for my child’s safety when there and letting them go to a non-school sponsored protest is not ensuring their safety.

You don’t know the facts of this at all you think the parents of these kids didn’t know about them walking out ?

Would you support a parents decision not to allow their child/student to skip regardless of the child/students opinion in the matter?  Knowing about it and not being okay with it out of safety concerns are two different things.  I did read a few stories of children being chastised for not walking out...which is fucked up too.  If the parents/school/ child are all willing participants, then it is a non-issue.  If they are peer pressured or a school is letting a child “skip” regardless of their parent’s will, that is an issue.  If a child is being exploited for a political objective, that is fucked up.  All I’m doing is stating personal concern, honestly.

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

Agree on the point on the hypothetical situation of parents forcing kids to protest gun violence.  I fucking hate the Left wing brain washing. 

Nice spin...I do not support exploitation of children in the picture posted here either.  Would you support these children if they had gun control signs instead of anti-abortion signs?  What if they all scheduled a time to skip school to protest abortion?  Cannot have it both ways...

These kids were not victims of abortion. They are not in any kind of danger.

Kids in schools in America today are in immediate danger, I can understand why they would protest for their safety. I don't see them being exploited.

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

Agree on the point on the hypothetical situation of parents forcing kids to protest gun violence.  I fucking hate the Left wing brain washing. 

Nice spin...I do not support exploitation of children in the picture posted here either.  Would you support these children if they had gun control signs instead of anti-abortion signs?  What if they all scheduled a time to skip school to protest abortion?  Cannot have it both ways...

These kids were not victims of abortion. They are not in any kind of danger.

Kids in schools in America today are in immediate danger, I can understand why they would protest for their safety. I don't see them being exploited.

You can not deny them protesting abortion and allow them protesting for other reasons though.  Not every child agrees with the motives behind this walkout, same as those that do not agree with them protesting abortion.  It would be politically discriminatory to allow one and not the other.  Cannot have it both ways.  And 99% of school children in schools are not in any “immediate danger”.  I would say that they probably  put themselves in more danger skipping and being off school grounds than sitting in their classrooms. If you do not see any exploitation at all going on, you are blind.

If they are not in immediate danger then why do you want armed teachers in schools?

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

Agree on the point on the hypothetical situation of parents forcing kids to protest gun violence.  I fucking hate the Left wing brain washing. 

Nice spin...I do not support exploitation of children in the picture posted here either.  Would you support these children if they had gun control signs instead of anti-abortion signs?  What if they all scheduled a time to skip school to protest abortion?  Cannot have it both ways...

These kids were not victims of abortion. They are not in any kind of danger.

Kids in schools in America today are in immediate danger, I can understand why they would protest for their safety. I don't see them being exploited.

You can not deny them protesting abortion and allow them protesting for other reasons though.  Not every child agrees with the motives behind this walkout, same as those that do not agree with them protesting abortion.  It would be politically discriminatory to allow one and not the other.  Cannot have it both ways.

There is a supreme court case that clearly decides that the First Amendment is not checked at the school door.  What they are subject to is school disciplinary procedure for either leaving school grounds or being out of class unattended.  This whole line of argument is specious and silly.  
One would have to be a fool to think that a child is not heavily influenced by their parents' point of view.  Some roll with it, some rebel.  This is true about abortion, gun control or whatever.  @PJPOWER, I'm not "spinning", I am pointing out that the argument could be construed as hypocritical considering the the anti-abortion movement's extensive use of children in protesting.  The photo I posted is not unique, it's widespread. 
You challenge me with whether I think it's okay, well I'm ambivalent to the matter. I'm perfectly fine with kids who understand what they are protesting to miss school.  I think it's educational and truly part of the American experience.  As long as not abused (month long protest trip), then I'm in favor of it.   But you are the one making the argument, so are you okay with these kids protesting abortion and missing school (or their home school)?

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

Agree on the point on the hypothetical situation of parents forcing kids to protest gun violence.  I fucking hate the Left wing brain washing. 

Nice spin...I do not support exploitation of children in the picture posted here either.  Would you support these children if they had gun control signs instead of anti-abortion signs?  What if they all scheduled a time to skip school to protest abortion?  Cannot have it both ways...

These kids were not victims of abortion. They are not in any kind of danger.

Kids in schools in America today are in immediate danger, I can understand why they would protest for their safety. I don't see them being exploited.

You can not deny them protesting abortion and allow them protesting for other reasons though.  Not every child agrees with the motives behind this walkout, same as those that do not agree with them protesting abortion.  It would be politically discriminatory to allow one and not the other.  Cannot have it both ways.

There is a supreme court case that clearly decides that the First Amendment is not checked at the school door.  What they are subject to is school disciplinary procedure for either leaving school grounds or being out of class unattended.  This whole line of argument is specious and silly.  
One would have to be a fool to think that a child is not heavily influenced by their parents' point of view.  Some roll with it, some rebel.  This is true about abortion, gun control or whatever.  @PJPOWER, I'm not "spinning", I am pointing out that the argument could be construed as hypocritical considering the the anti-abortion movement's extensive use of children in protesting.  The photo I posted is not unique, it's widespread. 
You challenge me with whether I think it's okay, well I'm ambivalent to the matter. I'm perfectly fine with kids who understand what they are protesting to miss school.  I think it's educational and truly part of the American experience.  As long as not abused (month long protest trip), then I'm in favor of it.   But you are the one making the argument, so are you okay with these kids protesting abortion and missing school (or their home school)?

No, I am not okay with children of the age the ones you posted skipping school to protest anything.  Do you think it is okay to exploit children for any political agenda?  Free speech is one thing, civil disobedience by a 10 year old is different.  The parents suffer the consequences of a child’s disobedience and should have the final say on whether or not their child participated in these events.  Parading 10 year olds around in front of cameras to push and agenda or rhetoric is wrong on all accounts though.  Again, just my opinion.

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

Agree on the point on the hypothetical situation of parents forcing kids to protest gun violence.  I fucking hate the Left wing brain washing. 

Nice spin...I do not support exploitation of children in the picture posted here either.  Would you support these children if they had gun control signs instead of anti-abortion signs?  What if they all scheduled a time to skip school to protest abortion?  Cannot have it both ways...

These kids were not victims of abortion. They are not in any kind of danger.

Kids in schools in America today are in immediate danger, I can understand why they would protest for their safety. I don't see them being exploited.

You can not deny them protesting abortion and allow them protesting for other reasons though.  Not every child agrees with the motives behind this walkout, same as those that do not agree with them protesting abortion.  It would be politically discriminatory to allow one and not the other.  Cannot have it both ways.

There is a supreme court case that clearly decides that the First Amendment is not checked at the school door.  What they are subject to is school disciplinary procedure for either leaving school grounds or being out of class unattended.  This whole line of argument is specious and silly.  
One would have to be a fool to think that a child is not heavily influenced by their parents' point of view.  Some roll with it, some rebel.  This is true about abortion, gun control or whatever.  @PJPOWER, I'm not "spinning", I am pointing out that the argument could be construed as hypocritical considering the the anti-abortion movement's extensive use of children in protesting.  The photo I posted is not unique, it's widespread. 
You challenge me with whether I think it's okay, well I'm ambivalent to the matter. I'm perfectly fine with kids who understand what they are protesting to miss school.  I think it's educational and truly part of the American experience.  As long as not abused (month long protest trip), then I'm in favor of it.   But you are the one making the argument, so are you okay with these kids protesting abortion and missing school (or their home school)?

No, I am not okay with children of the age the ones you posted skipping school to protest anything.  Do you think it is okay to exploit children for any political agenda?  Free speech is one thing, civil disobedience by a 10 year old is different.  The parents suffer the consequences of a child’s disobedience and should have the final say on whether or not their child participated in these events.  Parading 10 year olds around in front of cameras to push and agenda or rhetoric is wrong on all accounts though.  Again, just my opinion.

Call me a liberal and accuse me of allowing parents to raise their kids how they want to raise them, within the bounds of the law.  Maybe you like Big Gov't telling you how to raise your kids, but no thanks.  

Skipping school is technically outside of the bounds of law...if you want to go that route.  I’m not arguing from a government point of view, but from an ethical one.  Exploitation of children for political agendas is unethical in my opinion.  If you think otherwise, that is your right.  I would bet that even you, with all of your “parents should raise them the way they want” are against abuse of neglect of children.  Exploitation is abuse.

dankind said:

And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're going through

Meltdown99 said:

Big fucking deal if kids miss a few days of school ... thats between the parents and their children.  Its good that these kids are protesting, personally i wish every parent would pull their children from school indefinitely until the idiot politicians pass meaningful gun control legislation...There is absolutely nothing to argue back and forth, its the parents decision.