The Idiot Thread

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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Way more smoke there and a history of violating the law with indictments and guilty pleas among those close to him. I’m not sure you can claim the same in this instance. Apples and oranges. Team Trump Treason will be indicted.
    Video evidence of the crime itself is a lot of smoke if you ask me...
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,044
    She’d smile and cock her head after claiming it’s fake news or alternative facts.
    I didn't ask what she'd do. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2018
    jeffbr said:
    My only point here is the same point the lawyer who was quoted in the story you linked was making:
      
    News 3 reached out to local attorney Eric Leckie and showed him the video. He said, "Sawing off the end of a rifle barrel would probably not destroy it. But if it shortened the barrel to under 16 inches, sawing off the end would make it immediately illegal and it`s a very bad idea," said Leckie.

    Somehow, pointing this out, turns one into a gun nut and an idiot, which I don't understand. I haven't seen any right-wing or left-wing articles about this story. I've only seen a couple MSM articles. So my observations are strictly from what was shown in the video. I saw the video before I even read a news story about it, and came to Leckie's conclusion on my own without biased sources for reference. I'm just a little astonished that pointing out a well-known firearms law has been classified as a right-wing, gun-nut talking point.
    That local attorney knows the law better than any of the felon supporters here...I’m going to believe what he says.

  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    edited March 2018
    change "bag of cocaine" with "modified AR-15" then. 
    She wasn't caught with anything. 

    If she cut the barrel of the gun off and was later found in possession of the gun by police then came up with the "I was trying to destroy the gun" story then that analogy might make some sense. 

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,044
    jeffbr said:
    My only point here is the same point the lawyer who was quoted in the story you linked was making:
      
    News 3 reached out to local attorney Eric Leckie and showed him the video. He said, "Sawing off the end of a rifle barrel would probably not destroy it. But if it shortened the barrel to under 16 inches, sawing off the end would make it immediately illegal and it`s a very bad idea," said Leckie.

    Somehow, pointing this out, turns one into a gun nut and an idiot, which I don't understand. I haven't seen any right-wing or left-wing articles about this story. I've only seen a couple MSM articles. So my observations are strictly from what was shown in the video. I saw the video before I even read a news story about it, and came to Leckie's conclusion on my own without biased sources for reference. I'm just a little astonished that pointing out a well-known firearms law has been classified as a right-wing, gun-nut talking point.
    some people don't like facts. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,044
    dignin said:
    She wasn't caught with anything. 

    If she cut the barrel of the gun off and was later found in possession of the gun by police then came up with the "I was trying to destroy the gun" story then that analogy might make some sense. 

    fine. let's redo it. if Kellyanne posted the same video that this woman did, what would your HONEST reaction be? "no big deal"? "hey, she's destroying a gun! I think....". 

    do you not think this should at least be addressed? I mean, the potential for some kid watching that video and getting some bright idea.....
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    jeffbr said:
    My only point here is the same point the lawyer who was quoted in the story you linked was making:
      
    News 3 reached out to local attorney Eric Leckie and showed him the video. He said, "Sawing off the end of a rifle barrel would probably not destroy it. But if it shortened the barrel to under 16 inches, sawing off the end would make it immediately illegal and it`s a very bad idea," said Leckie.

    Somehow, pointing this out, turns one into a gun nut and an idiot, which I don't understand. I haven't seen any right-wing or left-wing articles about this story. I've only seen a couple MSM articles. So my observations are strictly from what was shown in the video. I saw the video before I even read a news story about it, and came to Leckie's conclusion on my own without biased sources for reference. I'm just a little astonished that pointing out a well-known firearms law has been classified as a right-wing, gun-nut talking point.
    My posts are not directed at you Jeff, and I understand the points you are making. I'm disputing the "she is guilty and should pay the price" posters.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,366
    That idiot Martin Shkreli was just sentenced to 7 years in prison, lol.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,044
    dignin said:
    My posts are not directed at you Jeff, and I understand the points you are making. I'm disputing the "she is guilty and should pay the price" posters.
    no one said she IS guilty. people are saying it should be looked into. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    fine. let's redo it. if Kellyanne posted the same video that this woman did, what would your HONEST reaction be? "no big deal"? "hey, she's destroying a gun! I think....". 

    do you not think this should at least be addressed? I mean, the potential for some kid watching that video and getting some bright idea.....
    Exactly, it sets precedent if nothing happens to her whatsoever.  How can anyone be arrested if they cut down a rifle on video if she is not?  You can either kiss her goodbye, or kiss the law goodbye.

  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    fine. let's redo it. if Kellyanne posted the same video that this woman did, what would your HONEST reaction be? "no big deal"? "hey, she's destroying a gun! I think....". 

    do you not think this should at least be addressed? I mean, the potential for some kid watching that video and getting some bright idea.....
    The potential of some kid destroying a gun then turning into law enforcement? Why would I be worried about that? I would applaud that. If Donald Trump himself made that exact same video I would applaud him too.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2018
    dignin said:
    The potential of some kid destroying a gun then turning into law enforcement? Why would I be worried about that? I would applaud that. If Donald Trump himself made that exact same video I would applaud him too.
    Again, you miss the fact that she did not destroy it.  She just made the barrel shorter.  It will still fire...
    She should have just given it to police to start with instead of committing a felony in the process of grandstanding.
    What’s to keep anyone from doing the same thing and just saying “oh, but I was going to give it to the police” after getting caught.  You don’t understand how the law works very well do you?
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    no one said she IS guilty. people are saying it should be looked into. 
    Your bro power has been calling her a felon this whole time. 

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,044
    dignin said:
    The potential of some kid destroying a gun then turning into law enforcement? Why would I be worried about that? I would applaud that. If Donald Trump himself made that exact same video I would applaud him too.
    obviously I was referring to some kid modifying it to make it short barreled. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJPOWER said:
    She said it happened, so it must have...even though there is video evidence point to the contrary...Is that where you are going with this?  Keep defending the felon.
    She was convicted already? That was fast. I didn't even see that she was arrested....
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    dignin said:
    Your bro power has been calling her a felon this whole time. 

    Seems like a pretty cut and dry case the way the law reads, but yes, I believe in due process and that she should be prosecuted the same as anyone before a felony goes on her record.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    PJPOWER said:
    Again, you miss the fact that she did not destroy it.  She just made the barrel shorter.  It will still fire...
    She should have just given it to police to start with instead of committing a felony in the process of grandstanding.

    And you keep leaving out the whole story. The gun was inoperable before she cut the barrel, then they dismantled it and gave it to the police. That was the obvious plan all along, you are making this out to be something sinister because you don't agree with her politics. Nobody watching that video is thinking she is doing that to make the weapon illegal.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2018
    dignin said:
    And you keep leaving out the whole story. The gun was inoperable before she cut the barrel, then they dismantled it and gave it to the police. That was the obvious plan all along, you are making this out to be something sinister because you don't agree with her politics. Nobody watching that video is thinking she is doing that to make the weapon illegal.
    It was inoperable because she said so after the fact?  And in the video, there is nothing validating that statement.  All parts that make it operable seem to be in place.  I didn’t miss her statement, there is just no proof validating it.  And once again, there is no “intent” written into the law.  It doesn’t matter what she was trying to do, it’s what she did that matters.  She created an SBR...plain and simple.
    There is nothing in the law that says “if you accidentally make an illegal firearm while trying to destroy it, it’s all good”

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,044
    dignin said:
    Your bro power has been calling her a felon this whole time. 

    my bro? umm....ok.

    no different than you insisting on her innocence when the only video footage suggests otherwise. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    my bro? umm....ok.

    no different than you insisting on her innocence when the only video footage suggests otherwise. 
    We’re bros dude, don’t deny it! Lol
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJPOWER said:
    It was inoperable because she said so after the fact?  And in the video, there is nothing validating that statement.  All parts that make it operable seem to be in place.  I didn’t miss her statement, there is just no proof validating it.  And once again, there is no “intent” written into the law.  It doesn’t matter what she was trying to do, it’s what she did that matters.  She created an SBR...plain and simple.
    There is nothing in the law that says “if you accidentally make an illegal firearm while trying to destroy it, it’s all good”

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

    Argument from ignorance, also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence") is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is false because it has not yet been proven true.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,876
    PJPOWER said:
    Video evidence of the crime itself is a lot of smoke if you ask me...
    Is shortening the barrel of an inoperable firearm a crime?
     
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,044
    dignin said:
    And you keep leaving out the whole story. The gun was inoperable before she cut the barrel, then they dismantled it and gave it to the police. That was the obvious plan all along, you are making this out to be something sinister because you don't agree with her politics. Nobody watching that video is thinking she is doing that to make the weapon illegal.
    how do you know the gun was inoperable before she cut the barrel?
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,044
    PJPOWER said:
    We’re bros dude, don’t deny it! Lol
    apparently. LOL
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    edited March 2018
    my bro? umm....ok.

    no different than you insisting on her innocence when the only video footage suggests otherwise. 
    No different eh? I guess the law isn't based on the presumption of innocence than. And I'm the one that doesn't know the law very well.


  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2018
    CM189191 said:
    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

    Argument from ignorance, also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence") is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is false because it has not yet been proven true.
    So her statement has not been proven true or false, see how that works?  In other words, your statement holds no merit of truth  and mine doesn’t either regarding her statement regarding what happened before the video.  Cannot be validated.  But, the video itself displays evidence that the gun was not inoperable before she cut the barrel down.  The charging handle, lower receiver and stock are all in place.  

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,876
    Are there any firearms violations here?


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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Are there any firearms violations here?


    I’m not sure, but there is a “whataboutism”.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,044
    dignin said:
    No different eh? I guess the law isn't based on the presumption of innocence than. And I'm the one that doesn't know the law very well.


    she is PRESUMED innocent. you aren't presuming anything. you are presenting it as fact. dismissing the possibility of wrongdoing. 

    under your position of "well she didn't MEAN to!" no one would ever get arrested. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    how do you know the gun was inoperable before she cut the barrel?
    I don't. All I have to go on is her statement that is was, and I have no reason to not believe her. Do you know it was operable? 
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