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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    PJPOWER said:

    jeffbr said:
    jeffbr said:
    She definitely committed a federal offense, a la Randy Weaver, and I would hope at the very least the BATFE pays her a visit. I know she says she rendered the firearm inoperable and then turned it in to the police, so clearly she wasn't trying to manufacture a short barrel, but the law is the law.
    Had she continued cutting the gun up to render it in operable, would she still be a felon? And why should she be charged when she turned the gun into the police and took it out of circulation? It’s not like she challenged ATF to come take it from her.
    If you manufacture meth but decide afterward to turn it into the police have you still committed a crime? I'm not advocating for locking her up or anything, but people can't go around committing federal firearms offenses and expect no repercussions. I'd be fine with a slap on the hand and a warning. This woman in VA sawed off the barrel of a firearm. As soon as she did that, she committed a felony.
    I find it interesting that the pro gun crowd constantly harps on “enforcing existing gun laws” but seemingly has no problem with the NRA and gun manufacturers actively lobbying against ATF budgets that help do just that.
    You also seem to have no problems with a Democrat breaking firearm laws...interesting indeed.
    there's a video that went viral of a guy who decided after Parkland to destroy his AR15. he cut it in half. was that illegal? or is it only illegal if the gun is still in workable condition?
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  • PJPOWER
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    PJPOWER said:

    jeffbr said:
    jeffbr said:
    She definitely committed a federal offense, a la Randy Weaver, and I would hope at the very least the BATFE pays her a visit. I know she says she rendered the firearm inoperable and then turned it in to the police, so clearly she wasn't trying to manufacture a short barrel, but the law is the law.
    Had she continued cutting the gun up to render it in operable, would she still be a felon? And why should she be charged when she turned the gun into the police and took it out of circulation? It’s not like she challenged ATF to come take it from her.
    If you manufacture meth but decide afterward to turn it into the police have you still committed a crime? I'm not advocating for locking her up or anything, but people can't go around committing federal firearms offenses and expect no repercussions. I'd be fine with a slap on the hand and a warning. This woman in VA sawed off the barrel of a firearm. As soon as she did that, she committed a felony.
    I find it interesting that the pro gun crowd constantly harps on “enforcing existing gun laws” but seemingly has no problem with the NRA and gun manufacturers actively lobbying against ATF budgets that help do just that.
    You also seem to have no problems with a Democrat breaking firearm laws...interesting indeed.
    there's a video that went viral of a guy who decided after Parkland to destroy his AR15. he cut it in half. was that illegal? or is it only illegal if the gun is still in workable condition?
    I’ll try to post a link to the requirements for destroying them later, but you actually have to cut the receiver in half with a blowtorch, not just shorten the barrel like she did.  
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    PJPOWER said:

    jeffbr said:
    jeffbr said:
    She definitely committed a federal offense, a la Randy Weaver, and I would hope at the very least the BATFE pays her a visit. I know she says she rendered the firearm inoperable and then turned it in to the police, so clearly she wasn't trying to manufacture a short barrel, but the law is the law.
    Had she continued cutting the gun up to render it in operable, would she still be a felon? And why should she be charged when she turned the gun into the police and took it out of circulation? It’s not like she challenged ATF to come take it from her.
    If you manufacture meth but decide afterward to turn it into the police have you still committed a crime? I'm not advocating for locking her up or anything, but people can't go around committing federal firearms offenses and expect no repercussions. I'd be fine with a slap on the hand and a warning. This woman in VA sawed off the barrel of a firearm. As soon as she did that, she committed a felony.
    I find it interesting that the pro gun crowd constantly harps on “enforcing existing gun laws” but seemingly has no problem with the NRA and gun manufacturers actively lobbying against ATF budgets that help do just that.
    You also seem to have no problems with a Democrat breaking firearm laws...interesting indeed.
    I haven’t stated my position one way or the other. Nice projection though.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    jeffbr said:

    jeffbr said:
    jeffbr said:
    She definitely committed a federal offense, a la Randy Weaver, and I would hope at the very least the BATFE pays her a visit. I know she says she rendered the firearm inoperable and then turned it in to the police, so clearly she wasn't trying to manufacture a short barrel, but the law is the law.
    Had she continued cutting the gun up to render it in operable, would she still be a felon? And why should she be charged when she turned the gun into the police and took it out of circulation? It’s not like she challenged ATF to come take it from her.
    If you manufacture meth but decide afterward to turn it into the police have you still committed a crime? I'm not advocating for locking her up or anything, but people can't go around committing federal firearms offenses and expect no repercussions. I'd be fine with a slap on the hand and a warning. This woman in VA sawed off the barrel of a firearm. As soon as she did that, she committed a felony.
    I find it interesting that the pro gun crowd constantly harps on “enforcing existing gun laws” but seemingly has no problem with the NRA and gun manufacturers actively lobbying against ATF budgets that help do just that.
    Ha, don't lump me into that. I fucking hate the NRA. I was a member decades ago when it appeared that they were dedicated to protecting the 2nd Amendment and focused on firearms safety training. But at this point they only exist to lobby for the firearms industry. I have given neither money nor support to those assholes for years. I own a couple of shotguns, a couple of rifles and a handgun. I used to shoot regularly. I don't shoot anymore. The only reason I hold onto a few of my guns is that they were passed down to me. But I haven't purchased a firearm for a couple of decades, and have no plans to ever do so again. I'm guessing I support the same reforms you do to gun laws. I live in a state where we closed the gun-show loophole, and require FFL transfers even for private sales. I supported that. I want much more thorough background checks. I would like to see mandatory training prior to ownership. I'd be fine with registration. 
    With you on all that plus adequate funding to adequately enforce existing laws. The straw purchasers and private sales are a big part of the problem.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:

    jeffbr said:
    jeffbr said:
    She definitely committed a federal offense, a la Randy Weaver, and I would hope at the very least the BATFE pays her a visit. I know she says she rendered the firearm inoperable and then turned it in to the police, so clearly she wasn't trying to manufacture a short barrel, but the law is the law.
    Had she continued cutting the gun up to render it in operable, would she still be a felon? And why should she be charged when she turned the gun into the police and took it out of circulation? It’s not like she challenged ATF to come take it from her.
    If you manufacture meth but decide afterward to turn it into the police have you still committed a crime? I'm not advocating for locking her up or anything, but people can't go around committing federal firearms offenses and expect no repercussions. I'd be fine with a slap on the hand and a warning. This woman in VA sawed off the barrel of a firearm. As soon as she did that, she committed a felony.
    I find it interesting that the pro gun crowd constantly harps on “enforcing existing gun laws” but seemingly has no problem with the NRA and gun manufacturers actively lobbying against ATF budgets that help do just that.
    You also seem to have no problems with a Democrat breaking firearm laws...interesting indeed.
    there's a video that went viral of a guy who decided after Parkland to destroy his AR15. he cut it in half. was that illegal? or is it only illegal if the gun is still in workable condition?
    I’ll try to post a link to the requirements for destroying them later, but you actually have to cut the receiver in half with a blowtorch, not just shorten the barrel like she did.  
    he cut it in half with a circular saw I think. 
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:

    jeffbr said:
    jeffbr said:
    She definitely committed a federal offense, a la Randy Weaver, and I would hope at the very least the BATFE pays her a visit. I know she says she rendered the firearm inoperable and then turned it in to the police, so clearly she wasn't trying to manufacture a short barrel, but the law is the law.
    Had she continued cutting the gun up to render it in operable, would she still be a felon? And why should she be charged when she turned the gun into the police and took it out of circulation? It’s not like she challenged ATF to come take it from her.
    If you manufacture meth but decide afterward to turn it into the police have you still committed a crime? I'm not advocating for locking her up or anything, but people can't go around committing federal firearms offenses and expect no repercussions. I'd be fine with a slap on the hand and a warning. This woman in VA sawed off the barrel of a firearm. As soon as she did that, she committed a felony.
    I find it interesting that the pro gun crowd constantly harps on “enforcing existing gun laws” but seemingly has no problem with the NRA and gun manufacturers actively lobbying against ATF budgets that help do just that.
    You also seem to have no problems with a Democrat breaking firearm laws...interesting indeed.
    there's a video that went viral of a guy who decided after Parkland to destroy his AR15. he cut it in half. was that illegal? or is it only illegal if the gun is still in workable condition?
    I’ll try to post a link to the requirements for destroying them later, but you actually have to cut the receiver in half with a blowtorch, not just shorten the barrel like she did.  
    he cut it in half with a circular saw I think. 
    If he cut the actual upper and lower receiver in half, he is probably good and at least did not commit a felony.  
  • dignin
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    Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
  • PJPOWER
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    dignin said:
    Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
    Well, maybe if she had destroyed it before turning it into an SBR.  All she did in the video was turn it into an illegal firearm, not destroy it.  
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
    Well, maybe if she had destroyed it before turning it into an SBR.  All she did in the video was turn it into an illegal firearm, not destroy it.  

    "I knew exactly what I was doing. The gun was inoperable before I cut it. And we took it completely apart. And we didn't put all that on video because I wanted to get the message to the students that I was standing with them," said Mallard.

    Virginia Beach Police confirmed Thursday afternoon the gun was in their possession and waiting to be picked up by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

    http://wtkr.com/2018/03/08/i-knew-exactly-what-i-was-doing-congressional-candidate-saws-ar-15-apart/

    Seriously, common sense. This is a dumb story.
  • jeffbr
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    dignin said:
    Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
    Well, I would agree in general and on the surface. But what you're saying is that it is OK to commit a crime as long as your intentions are good. That isn't how the rule of law works. She could have gone about this differently. She could have truly rendered the firearm inoperable to start with, and there would have been no issue. She could have ignorantly committed the federal offense privately, and taken the pieces to law enforcement, and it would be a non-issue. But she decided to publicly commit the crime and document it on video. If she'd simply cut the firearm in half this would be a non-issue. But she cut the barrel off. Anyone with a vague notion about gun laws knows that is a no-no. If she owned a firearm and was ignorant of one of the most basic laws, that is on her and she probably never should have possessed it. She may have cut the barrel off, and then proceeded to cut it into smaller pieces, but she still shortened the barrel of a functional firearm. Cut it in half first, and then cut those halves into smaller pieces. It may seem like a minor point, but again, publicly violating a well-known federal firearms law puts you in Trump-stupid territory.

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  • PJPOWER
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    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
    Well, maybe if she had destroyed it before turning it into an SBR.  All she did in the video was turn it into an illegal firearm, not destroy it.  

    "I knew exactly what I was doing. The gun was inoperable before I cut it. And we took it completely apart. And we didn't put all that on video because I wanted to get the message to the students that I was standing with them," said Mallard.

    Virginia Beach Police confirmed Thursday afternoon the gun was in their possession and waiting to be picked up by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

    http://wtkr.com/2018/03/08/i-knew-exactly-what-i-was-doing-congressional-candidate-saws-ar-15-apart/

    Seriously, common sense. This is a dumb story.
    No, she is displaying even more incompetence.  The gun was attached to the lower receiver in the video, so there is no proof of it being an inoperable firearm.  She is just in “cover your ass” mode now.  And once again, it doesn’t matter what she intended to do with it afterwards.  The law has no “intent” clause.  Legally, it is just like someone manufacturing meth and “intending” to destroy or give it to police afterwards.  If she was responsible, she would have recorded a video of how to legally destroy it...She can kiss her political career bye bye.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    jeffbr said:
    dignin said:
    Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
    Well, I would agree in general and on the surface. But what you're saying is that it is OK to commit a crime as long as your intentions are good. That isn't how the rule of law works. She could have gone about this differently. She could have truly rendered the firearm inoperable to start with, and there would have been no issue. She could have ignorantly committed the federal offense privately, and taken the pieces to law enforcement, and it would be a non-issue. But she decided to publicly commit the crime and document it on video. If she'd simply cut the firearm in half this would be a non-issue. But she cut the barrel off. Anyone with a vague notion about gun laws knows that is a no-no. If she owned a firearm and was ignorant of one of the most basic laws, that is on her and she probably never should have possessed it. She may have cut the barrel off, and then proceeded to cut it into smaller pieces, but she still shortened the barrel of a functional firearm. Cut it in half first, and then cut those halves into smaller pieces. It may seem like a minor point, but again, publicly violating a well-known federal firearms law puts you in Trump-stupid territory.

    She said the firearm was inoperable before she started. That right there should be the end of the story. 

    The first hit I found on this story was from The Daily Caller, that should tell you everything you need to know about the validity of this story.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    dignin said:
    jeffbr said:
    dignin said:
    Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
    Well, I would agree in general and on the surface. But what you're saying is that it is OK to commit a crime as long as your intentions are good. That isn't how the rule of law works. She could have gone about this differently. She could have truly rendered the firearm inoperable to start with, and there would have been no issue. She could have ignorantly committed the federal offense privately, and taken the pieces to law enforcement, and it would be a non-issue. But she decided to publicly commit the crime and document it on video. If she'd simply cut the firearm in half this would be a non-issue. But she cut the barrel off. Anyone with a vague notion about gun laws knows that is a no-no. If she owned a firearm and was ignorant of one of the most basic laws, that is on her and she probably never should have possessed it. She may have cut the barrel off, and then proceeded to cut it into smaller pieces, but she still shortened the barrel of a functional firearm. Cut it in half first, and then cut those halves into smaller pieces. It may seem like a minor point, but again, publicly violating a well-known federal firearms law puts you in Trump-stupid territory.

    She said the firearm was inoperable before she started. That right there should be the end of the story. 

    The first hit I found on this story was from The Daily Caller, that should tell you everything you need to know about the validity of this story.
    There is nothing in that video that shows that it is anywhere close to inoperable.  I call bullshit.  
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,638
    jeffbr said:
    dignin said:
    Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
    Well, I would agree in general and on the surface. But what you're saying is that it is OK to commit a crime as long as your intentions are good. That isn't how the rule of law works. She could have gone about this differently. She could have truly rendered the firearm inoperable to start with, and there would have been no issue. She could have ignorantly committed the federal offense privately, and taken the pieces to law enforcement, and it would be a non-issue. But she decided to publicly commit the crime and document it on video. If she'd simply cut the firearm in half this would be a non-issue. But she cut the barrel off. Anyone with a vague notion about gun laws knows that is a no-no. If she owned a firearm and was ignorant of one of the most basic laws, that is on her and she probably never should have possessed it. She may have cut the barrel off, and then proceeded to cut it into smaller pieces, but she still shortened the barrel of a functional firearm. Cut it in half first, and then cut those halves into smaller pieces. It may seem like a minor point, but again, publicly violating a well-known federal firearms law puts you in Trump-stupid territory.

    It seems you missed the part, “it was inoperable before I cut it.” Also, do you believe every gun owner knows all “basic” gun laws prior to or during gun ownership? 
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  • PJPOWER
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    jeffbr said:
    dignin said:
    Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
    Well, I would agree in general and on the surface. But what you're saying is that it is OK to commit a crime as long as your intentions are good. That isn't how the rule of law works. She could have gone about this differently. She could have truly rendered the firearm inoperable to start with, and there would have been no issue. She could have ignorantly committed the federal offense privately, and taken the pieces to law enforcement, and it would be a non-issue. But she decided to publicly commit the crime and document it on video. If she'd simply cut the firearm in half this would be a non-issue. But she cut the barrel off. Anyone with a vague notion about gun laws knows that is a no-no. If she owned a firearm and was ignorant of one of the most basic laws, that is on her and she probably never should have possessed it. She may have cut the barrel off, and then proceeded to cut it into smaller pieces, but she still shortened the barrel of a functional firearm. Cut it in half first, and then cut those halves into smaller pieces. It may seem like a minor point, but again, publicly violating a well-known federal firearms law puts you in Trump-stupid territory.

    It seems you missed the part, “it was inoperable before I cut it.” Also, do you believe every gun owner knows all “basic” gun laws prior to or during gun ownership? 
    No evidence of that whatsoever ever in the video.  Looks like a fully functional ar-15 to me.  She is just saying that after the fact in a weak effort to cover her ass.  Anyways, it’s up to the ATF to decide now as literally thousands of people have already reported her.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    jeffbr said:
    dignin said:
    Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
    Well, I would agree in general and on the surface. But what you're saying is that it is OK to commit a crime as long as your intentions are good. That isn't how the rule of law works. She could have gone about this differently. She could have truly rendered the firearm inoperable to start with, and there would have been no issue. She could have ignorantly committed the federal offense privately, and taken the pieces to law enforcement, and it would be a non-issue. But she decided to publicly commit the crime and document it on video. If she'd simply cut the firearm in half this would be a non-issue. But she cut the barrel off. Anyone with a vague notion about gun laws knows that is a no-no. If she owned a firearm and was ignorant of one of the most basic laws, that is on her and she probably never should have possessed it. She may have cut the barrel off, and then proceeded to cut it into smaller pieces, but she still shortened the barrel of a functional firearm. Cut it in half first, and then cut those halves into smaller pieces. It may seem like a minor point, but again, publicly violating a well-known federal firearms law puts you in Trump-stupid territory.

    It seems you missed the part, “it was inoperable before I cut it.” Also, do you believe every gun owner knows all “basic” gun laws prior to or during gun ownership? 
    I did miss that part, and I'd be curious to know how it was rendered inoperable prior to her modification. Was it inoperable because she didn't have a round in the chamber?

    And yes, I believe every gun owner should know basic gun laws. Ignorance is not a valid legal defense.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    jeffbr said:
    dignin said:
    Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
    Well, I would agree in general and on the surface. But what you're saying is that it is OK to commit a crime as long as your intentions are good. That isn't how the rule of law works. She could have gone about this differently. She could have truly rendered the firearm inoperable to start with, and there would have been no issue. She could have ignorantly committed the federal offense privately, and taken the pieces to law enforcement, and it would be a non-issue. But she decided to publicly commit the crime and document it on video. If she'd simply cut the firearm in half this would be a non-issue. But she cut the barrel off. Anyone with a vague notion about gun laws knows that is a no-no. If she owned a firearm and was ignorant of one of the most basic laws, that is on her and she probably never should have possessed it. She may have cut the barrel off, and then proceeded to cut it into smaller pieces, but she still shortened the barrel of a functional firearm. Cut it in half first, and then cut those halves into smaller pieces. It may seem like a minor point, but again, publicly violating a well-known federal firearms law puts you in Trump-stupid territory.

    She said the firearm was inoperable before she started. That right there should be the end of the story. 

    The first hit I found on this story was from The Daily Caller, that should tell you everything you need to know about the validity of this story.
    There is nothing in that video that shows that it is anywhere close to inoperable.  I call bullshit.  
    Okay, this should be the hill you die on then. We must use all available resources to get to the bottom of this potentially heinous crime. I'm sure law enforcement has nothing better to do.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7acD4q0lp0
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    PJPOWER said:
    jeffbr said:
    dignin said:
    Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
    Well, I would agree in general and on the surface. But what you're saying is that it is OK to commit a crime as long as your intentions are good. That isn't how the rule of law works. She could have gone about this differently. She could have truly rendered the firearm inoperable to start with, and there would have been no issue. She could have ignorantly committed the federal offense privately, and taken the pieces to law enforcement, and it would be a non-issue. But she decided to publicly commit the crime and document it on video. If she'd simply cut the firearm in half this would be a non-issue. But she cut the barrel off. Anyone with a vague notion about gun laws knows that is a no-no. If she owned a firearm and was ignorant of one of the most basic laws, that is on her and she probably never should have possessed it. She may have cut the barrel off, and then proceeded to cut it into smaller pieces, but she still shortened the barrel of a functional firearm. Cut it in half first, and then cut those halves into smaller pieces. It may seem like a minor point, but again, publicly violating a well-known federal firearms law puts you in Trump-stupid territory.

    It seems you missed the part, “it was inoperable before I cut it.” Also, do you believe every gun owner knows all “basic” gun laws prior to or during gun ownership? 
    No evidence of that whatsoever ever in the video.  Looks like a fully functional ar-15 to me.  She is just saying that after the fact in a weak effort to cover her ass.  Anyways, it’s up to the ATF to decide now as literally thousands of people have already reported her.
    Pure speculation on your part.
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  • PJPOWER
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    edited March 2018
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    jeffbr said:
    dignin said:
    Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
    Well, I would agree in general and on the surface. But what you're saying is that it is OK to commit a crime as long as your intentions are good. That isn't how the rule of law works. She could have gone about this differently. She could have truly rendered the firearm inoperable to start with, and there would have been no issue. She could have ignorantly committed the federal offense privately, and taken the pieces to law enforcement, and it would be a non-issue. But she decided to publicly commit the crime and document it on video. If she'd simply cut the firearm in half this would be a non-issue. But she cut the barrel off. Anyone with a vague notion about gun laws knows that is a no-no. If she owned a firearm and was ignorant of one of the most basic laws, that is on her and she probably never should have possessed it. She may have cut the barrel off, and then proceeded to cut it into smaller pieces, but she still shortened the barrel of a functional firearm. Cut it in half first, and then cut those halves into smaller pieces. It may seem like a minor point, but again, publicly violating a well-known federal firearms law puts you in Trump-stupid territory.

    She said the firearm was inoperable before she started. That right there should be the end of the story. 

    The first hit I found on this story was from The Daily Caller, that should tell you everything you need to know about the validity of this story.
    There is nothing in that video that shows that it is anywhere close to inoperable.  I call bullshit.  
    Okay, this should be the hill you die on then. We must use all available resources to get to the bottom of this potentially heinous crime. I'm sure law enforcement has nothing better to do.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7acD4q0lp0
    Nothing better to do than arrest people for illegally manufacturing an SBR?  I don’t know, do they?  It’s a pretty easy case with the video evidence she provided.
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    PJPOWER said:
    jeffbr said:
    dignin said:
    Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
    Well, I would agree in general and on the surface. But what you're saying is that it is OK to commit a crime as long as your intentions are good. That isn't how the rule of law works. She could have gone about this differently. She could have truly rendered the firearm inoperable to start with, and there would have been no issue. She could have ignorantly committed the federal offense privately, and taken the pieces to law enforcement, and it would be a non-issue. But she decided to publicly commit the crime and document it on video. If she'd simply cut the firearm in half this would be a non-issue. But she cut the barrel off. Anyone with a vague notion about gun laws knows that is a no-no. If she owned a firearm and was ignorant of one of the most basic laws, that is on her and she probably never should have possessed it. She may have cut the barrel off, and then proceeded to cut it into smaller pieces, but she still shortened the barrel of a functional firearm. Cut it in half first, and then cut those halves into smaller pieces. It may seem like a minor point, but again, publicly violating a well-known federal firearms law puts you in Trump-stupid territory.

    It seems you missed the part, “it was inoperable before I cut it.” Also, do you believe every gun owner knows all “basic” gun laws prior to or during gun ownership? 
    No evidence of that whatsoever ever in the video.  Looks like a fully functional ar-15 to me.  She is just saying that after the fact in a weak effort to cover her ass.  Anyways, it’s up to the ATF to decide now as literally thousands of people have already reported her.
    Pure speculation on your part.
    how is "no evidence" speculation? he is right, there is zero evidence to back up her claim. 
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