Honest question: Eddie Vedder has supported both Ralph Nader & Bernie Sanders
Big Bank Hank
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So why all the harsh feeling towards Progressives? We are only trying to make the world a better place, and care about our fellow humans over the corporations. I am not even going to debate anyone, I just ask that you keep the language clean and within the forum rules. I am trying to understand how people are willing to settle for the lesser of two evils and not demanding something better, and how one can just throw in the cards so easily. Rock the Vote was a great thing and I would hope the band could do something similar in 2020 to get a better person in the White House. Activism is a great thing, I was a community organizer for Socialist Alternative and participated in the marches that ended up getting the $15.00 an hour minimum wage here in Seattle, activism and caring and not giving up works. By the way the war is still going. And the Democrats have been eagerly supporting war for a long time, they don't even bother hiding it anymore.
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It’s not harsh feelings toward progressives, it’s harsh feelings about your communication style.0
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LOL, that's hilarious because I can go back and pull all the anti-progressive quotes with links, so you ain't gotta lie to kick it broGo Beavers said:It’s not harsh feelings toward progressives, it’s harsh feelings about your communication style.0 -
He's not lying. He's expressing to you that you aren't conveying your views very well so people have not responded in ways that you were hoping. It's not about being right or wrong. This forum can handle different views if you bring intellectual thought and substance to the discussion. And yeah, you might get people who will outright tear your point apart while someone else agrees with everything you say.Big Bank Hank said:
LOL, that's hilarious because I can go back and pull all the anti-progressive quotes with links, so you ain't gotta lie to kick it broGo Beavers said:It’s not harsh feelings toward progressives, it’s harsh feelings about your communication style.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
but there has been no tearing apart, just name calling, I can pull up all the comments, with links, unless ya'll just like lying & making stuff up with someone you disagree with?tbergs said:
He's not lying. He's expressing to you that you aren't conveying your views very well so people have not responded in ways that you were hoping. It's not about being right or wrong. This forum can handle different views if you bring intellectual thought and substance to the discussion. And yeah, you might get people who will outright tear your point apart while someone else agrees with everything you say.Big Bank Hank said:
LOL, that's hilarious because I can go back and pull all the anti-progressive quotes with links, so you ain't gotta lie to kick it broGo Beavers said:It’s not harsh feelings toward progressives, it’s harsh feelings about your communication style.0 -
Part of the problem, Hank, is with labels. If people calls themselves "conservative" or "liberal" or "progressive" or whatever, those who define themselves otherwise will often be critical of what they perceive as their opposite. I'm basically a progressive but I generally don't refer to myself as such because being progressive on some issues, on others I am more liberal, on some rather conservative and even on some fairly neutral or even apathetic.
So if we look at each issue and learn that matters to us and we learn what we can about it and keep an open mind while using critical thinking, we may not need to label ourselves. Just do what makes sense and you won't need a label and in doing so, you might have a better chance of all of us finding good solutions.
Also consider that the world is not just a human place. Animals, plants, rocks- they are not conservative, liberal or progressive. They are subject to our whims.
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But Brian, both parties support fracking, so how much longer will we have those things?brianlux said:Part of the problem, Hank, is with labels. If people calls themselves "conservative" or "liberal" or "progressive" or whatever, those who define themselves otherwise will often be critical of what they perceive as their opposite. I'm basically a progressive but I generally don't refer to myself as such because being progressive on some issues, on others I am more liberal, on some rather conservative and even on some fairly neutral or even apathetic.
So if we look at each issue and learn that matters to us and we learn what we can about it and keep an open mind while using critical thinking, we may not need to label ourselves. Just do what makes sense and you won't need a label and in doing so, you might have a better chance of all of us finding good solutions.
Also consider that the world is not just a human place. Animals, plants, rocks- they are not conservative, liberal or progressive. They are subject to our whims.0 -
I guess I didn't see any name calling, but I haven't analyzed every thread. I saw a lot of people who disagreed with the content of your posts. Like Brian stated above, I don't think a lot of us align with any specific political party. A few of us fall on the extremes of both ends, but for the most part we are in the middle looking to support a person who will bring about the most positive impact. Republicans seem to be failing more miserably than Dems right now. There will never be a perfect candidate or political party, but we each have to decide what matters the most. There are very few one issue voters, but abortion and the 2nd amendment always float to the top for many voters.Big Bank Hank said:
but there has been no tearing apart, just name calling, I can pull up all the comments, with links, unless ya'll just like lying & making stuff up with someone you disagree with?tbergs said:
He's not lying. He's expressing to you that you aren't conveying your views very well so people have not responded in ways that you were hoping. It's not about being right or wrong. This forum can handle different views if you bring intellectual thought and substance to the discussion. And yeah, you might get people who will outright tear your point apart while someone else agrees with everything you say.Big Bank Hank said:
LOL, that's hilarious because I can go back and pull all the anti-progressive quotes with links, so you ain't gotta lie to kick it broGo Beavers said:It’s not harsh feelings toward progressives, it’s harsh feelings about your communication style.Post edited by tbergs onIt's a hopeless situation...0 -
tbergs said:
I guess I didn't see any name calling, but I haven't analyzed every thread. I saw a lot of people who disagreed with the content of your posts. Like Brian stated above, I don't think a lot of us align with any specific political party. A few of us fall on the extremes of both ends, but for the most part we are in the middle looking to support a person who will bring about the most positive impact. Republicans seem to be failing more miserably than Dems right now. There will never be a perfect candidate or political party, but we each have to decide what matters the most. There are very few one issue voters, but abortion and the 2nd amendment always float to the top for many voters.Big Bank Hank said:
but there has been no tearing apart, just name calling, I can pull up all the comments, with links, unless ya'll just like lying & making stuff up with someone you disagree with?tbergs said:
He's not lying. He's expressing to you that you aren't conveying your views very well so people have not responded in ways that you were hoping. It's not about being right or wrong. This forum can handle different views if you bring intellectual thought and substance to the discussion. And yeah, you might get people who will outright tear your point apart while someone else agrees with everything you say.Big Bank Hank said:
LOL, that's hilarious because I can go back and pull all the anti-progressive quotes with links, so you ain't gotta lie to kick it broGo Beavers said:It’s not harsh feelings toward progressives, it’s harsh feelings about your communication style.
Making you think you have a choice is the illusion, all the policies both parties have in common are extremely destructive, by limiting you to the 2 party system (that are far more similar than not), they box you in to their agenda if you just give up and go along with it, and accept trash even if it is the lesser of two evil instead of fighting for something better. The ruling Party in Greece that won the last election only received 4% of the vote just 4 years earlier, so it's important not to give up and throw in the towel.Post edited by Big Bank Hank on0 -
Greece has a substantially different political system. What “works” there, and I use the word “works” cautiously, doesn’t work in the USA. I’m not sure you really want to be emulating the Greek style of government anyway.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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This is why the Democratic Party is just as useless as the Republicans, because none of the second part applies to either party, expect more, demand people to lead us who love us and care about us, and I can't believe this is even controversial, SMH
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Trueoftenreading said:Greece has a substantially different political system. What “works” there, and I use the word “works” cautiously, doesn’t work in the USA. I’m not sure you really want to be emulating the Greek style of government anyway.0 -
Good point. The Democratic party has shown itself to be more environmentally conscious and concerned than the Republican by far but that's a bit like saying they made it to second base instead of striking out. Neither is a run and until someone comes home, both are game losers.Big Bank Hank said:
But Brian, both parties support fracking, so how much longer will we have those things?brianlux said:Part of the problem, Hank, is with labels. If people calls themselves "conservative" or "liberal" or "progressive" or whatever, those who define themselves otherwise will often be critical of what they perceive as their opposite. I'm basically a progressive but I generally don't refer to myself as such because being progressive on some issues, on others I am more liberal, on some rather conservative and even on some fairly neutral or even apathetic.
So if we look at each issue and learn that matters to us and we learn what we can about it and keep an open mind while using critical thinking, we may not need to label ourselves. Just do what makes sense and you won't need a label and in doing so, you might have a better chance of all of us finding good solutions.
Also consider that the world is not just a human place. Animals, plants, rocks- they are not conservative, liberal or progressive. They are subject to our whims.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
brianlux said:
Good point. The Democratic party has shown itself to be more environmentally conscious and concerned than the Republican by far but that's a bit like saying they made it to second base instead of striking out. Neither is a run and until someone comes home, both are game losers.Big Bank Hank said:
But Brian, both parties support fracking, so how much longer will we have those things?brianlux said:Part of the problem, Hank, is with labels. If people calls themselves "conservative" or "liberal" or "progressive" or whatever, those who define themselves otherwise will often be critical of what they perceive as their opposite. I'm basically a progressive but I generally don't refer to myself as such because being progressive on some issues, on others I am more liberal, on some rather conservative and even on some fairly neutral or even apathetic.
So if we look at each issue and learn that matters to us and we learn what we can about it and keep an open mind while using critical thinking, we may not need to label ourselves. Just do what makes sense and you won't need a label and in doing so, you might have a better chance of all of us finding good solutions.
Also consider that the world is not just a human place. Animals, plants, rocks- they are not conservative, liberal or progressive. They are subject to our whims.
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Bull crappy.Big Bank Hank said:brianlux said:
Good point. The Democratic party has shown itself to be more environmentally conscious and concerned than the Republican by far but that's a bit like saying they made it to second base instead of striking out. Neither is a run and until someone comes home, both are game losers.Big Bank Hank said:
But Brian, both parties support fracking, so how much longer will we have those things?brianlux said:Part of the problem, Hank, is with labels. If people calls themselves "conservative" or "liberal" or "progressive" or whatever, those who define themselves otherwise will often be critical of what they perceive as their opposite. I'm basically a progressive but I generally don't refer to myself as such because being progressive on some issues, on others I am more liberal, on some rather conservative and even on some fairly neutral or even apathetic.
So if we look at each issue and learn that matters to us and we learn what we can about it and keep an open mind while using critical thinking, we may not need to label ourselves. Just do what makes sense and you won't need a label and in doing so, you might have a better chance of all of us finding good solutions.
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