Ticket prices

JP218404 · February 2018

tempo_n_groove said:

JP218404 said:

JimmyV said:

Blaming Ticketmaster is missing the point. Visit this page and look at the prices other artists are charging at Fenway. These tickets aren't through TM and the fees are through the roof. All prices below are for ONE TICKET, not a pair.

https://www.mlb.com/redsox/tickets/concerts

Def Leppard/Journey
$185.50 face value
$37.50 fee
$4.85 fee
$227.85

Billy Joel
$159.50 face value
$42.50 fee
$4.85 fee
$206.85

Foo Fighters (Turf seats are gone, these prices are for bowl seating)
$79 face value
$23 fee
$4.85 fee
$106.85

and there is it. Fenway 2016 face was $85. so maybe face went up to $90 (if that at all) and throw an average of those fees from the venue onto it you get to $123 a piece for PJ.

We don't pay fees when going through 10C though, that was the beauty of that, which is now gone.

we did paid a lesser fee at fenway in 2016. face was $85. charge was $188 so there is $18 in whatever ya wanna call it.

jpdannabelle · February 2018

If a $30 increase is really going to bust the budget and stop someone from going those people should probably think twice about going anywhere and focus on getting their shit together.

mace1229 · February 2018

$40+ in "fees" is what kills me. Is that what ticketmaster is claiming is the cost of selling the tickets?
I used to be able to avoid all fees by buying straight from the box office. I remember going to shows in College, walk to the San Diego sports arena from my apartment and pay $25 for a show, no fees.

JimmyV · February 2018

tempo_n_groove said:

JP218404 said:

JimmyV said:

Blaming Ticketmaster is missing the point. Visit this page and look at the prices other artists are charging at Fenway. These tickets aren't through TM and the fees are through the roof. All prices below are for ONE TICKET, not a pair.

https://www.mlb.com/redsox/tickets/concerts

Def Leppard/Journey
$185.50 face value
$37.50 fee
$4.85 fee
$227.85

Billy Joel
$159.50 face value
$42.50 fee
$4.85 fee
$206.85

Foo Fighters (Turf seats are gone, these prices are for bowl seating)
$79 face value
$23 fee
$4.85 fee
$106.85

and there is it. Fenway 2016 face was $85. so maybe face went up to $90 (if that at all) and throw an average of those fees from the venue onto it you get to $123 a piece for PJ.

We don't pay fees when going through 10C though, that was the beauty of that, which is now gone.

Fees through 10c aren't new. They are just included in the total price we see. In 2013 tickets were $176 per pair. That's $88 per ticket, but face value on those tickets was $79. The other $9 per ticket was fees.

JimmyV · February 2018

jpdannabelle said:

If a $30 increase is really going to bust the budget and stop someone from going those people should probably think twice about going anywhere and focus on getting their shit together.

This is the laziest of takes. People have every right to question a 30% increase.

estarr31 · February 2018

rey said:

mace1229 said:

If the answer is the band wants to make more money playing less shows, would you have a problem with that?
I'd be bummed if that is why, but I'd do the same thing

Yes, I would have a problem with them taking advantage of their fans so that they could make more money playing less shows.

How is that "taking advantage of their fans"? It's likely that with less shows, the production costs are higher (less shared costs), that's my thinking. But honestly, they could charge whatever they want and I'd still pay it. Supply and Demand - there will always be high demand and as the supply varies the prices will too.

estarr31 · February 2018

JimmyV said:

jpdannabelle said:

If a $30 increase is really going to bust the budget and stop someone from going those people should probably think twice about going anywhere and focus on getting their shit together.

This is the laziest of takes. People have every right to question a 30% increase.

Just as the band has every right to charge whatever they want.

JimmyV · February 2018

estarr31 said:

JimmyV said:

jpdannabelle said:

If a $30 increase is really going to bust the budget and stop someone from going those people should probably think twice about going anywhere and focus on getting their shit together.

This is the laziest of takes. People have every right to question a 30% increase.

Just as the band has every right to charge whatever they want.

Yes, and people have every right to vote with their wallets. Awesome. Really breaking some new ground here.

jpdannabelle · February 2018

JimmyV said:

jpdannabelle said:

If a $30 increase is really going to bust the budget and stop someone from going those people should probably think twice about going anywhere and focus on getting their shit together.

This is the laziest of takes. People have every right to question a 30% increase.

Hey man I have to convert that price to Canadian so what am I supposed to say. But the fact is if I want something bad enough I work for it. Price went up? I work harder to pay for it. I don’t complain.

whoanelly15 · February 2018

JimmyV said:

AmishGuy91 said:

Hard to complain about $125 tickets when we all buy $200 worth of merch at each show.

We don't all do that.

Or this...

CantKeepmedown said:

I could think of many other things that I spend $250 on that don't bring me as much joy as PJ does. Shit, I could spend that on a night out with dinner and drinks.

Lot of projecting going on about how other people might spend their money. That's not fair. And it's not what this is about.

helplessdancer said:

seattle shows are a charity event which shuts down the secondary market on stub hub. bravo PJ bravo
8 pages later and i hope someone here has mentioned the fact that this great band STILL do not tier the prices for tickets. yes they have in the past maybe for some outdoor amphitheaters(lawn tickets) but all arena shows in north america generally have 1 price.
10c gets a lot of the great seats and there is no doubt about that, right?
how many GA tickets go on sale to the public? NONE.
how many GA tickets will go to the secondary market and get sold above face? almost none.
if PJ tiered their tickets prices the 10c lottery ticket winners would be paying a lot more for the GA's BUT because they don't tier prices it means the upfront seats(GA&reserved) are actually worth more than face value as the person in the last row in the upper level is paying the same price as a GA ticket
i have zero complaints. NONE.

No one is disputing any of these things. And I'd challenge any interested parties to try find a comment of mine on this or any other board where I have EVER been critical of the band, the 10C, their live shows, the lottery, the ticketing policies, their haircuts... ANYTHING!

I'm a happy, grateful fan and I'm not blaming anyone in particular. But this is still a big jump from 2016 prices. And it directly translates to less live PJ experiences for me. Simple as that.

rey · February 2018

Clapper said:

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Clapper said:

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mace1229 said:

rey said:

JimmyV said:

rey said:

dlymnfld said:

I have had Patriot season tickets since 1992. 28 dollars then, 160 dollars now. Patriots sucked then and are great now. PJ in 92 played a short set and now a pretty long set. All relative.

How much did the Patriots tickets cost in 2016. Have they increased by 30+% since then??

This is a fair point. The bump from 2016 to 2018 is far more relevant than anything the band said or did or charged in 1992 or 1994.

I don't care what other artists charge for their tickets, how much PJ tickets cost in the '90s, or how much tickets to a sporting event cost. The bottom line is that PJ played baseball stadiums in 2016 and are playing baseball stadiums again 2018. The cost for the EXACT same product has increased by 30+ % in the course of just two years. Think about other products you purchase and how you would feel about a 30% increase for the EXACT same product in just two years.
I fully expected the 2018 tickets to cost more than the 2016 tickets because everything goes up in price. I totally get that. I just did not expect they would go up by that much and am having a hard time understanding why.

If the answer is the band wants to make more money playing less shows, would you have a problem with that?
I'd be bummed if that is why, but I'd do the same thing

Yes, I would have a problem with them taking advantage of their fans so that they could make more money playing less shows.

How are they taking advantage of you? They have been charging less than half the market value of these tickets for years. What is it you think this band owes you? In your line of work, how many customers do you have that you charge less than half the market value for your product/service?

In my line of work, if I increase what I charge for the EXACT same product by 30+% in just two years I won't have to worry about having any customers.

Even if you were already offering that product at less than half the actual market value and less than half of your other competitors? A quick check of Ticketmaster brought me to Pitbull in Niagara Falls....top ticket is $293.80ca BEFORE any fees. PITBULL. This band has left hundreds of millions of dollars on the table over the last 25 years and continues to do so. Even if they spike prices by 75% over last tour they'd still be well below the market. I'll ask my original question, what is it you think this band owes you?

The band doesn't owe anyone anything. I'm just having a hard time paying 30+% more than I did two years ago for the same product. Period. It was suggested by someone else that maybe the band is trying to make more money by working less, and to me that isn't fair to their fans.

Your point about the band's tickets possibly being previously being underpriced is a whole different conversation. I don't think that comparing PJ ticket prices to any other artist's prices is relevant. To me, the market for a PJ show has been set by PJ.......not by what Pitbull or the Foo Fighters or Billy Joel or the New England Patriots are charging. Do you have any idea how many people Pitbull travels with in crew, musicians, stage show, etc. relative to PJ? Or what kind of stage set up he has? I sure don't. I'd be more interested to see what Pitbull charged for a show in the same type of venue in 2016.

JimmyV · February 2018

jpdannabelle said:

JimmyV said:

jpdannabelle said:

If a $30 increase is really going to bust the budget and stop someone from going those people should probably think twice about going anywhere and focus on getting their shit together.

This is the laziest of takes. People have every right to question a 30% increase.

Hey man I have to convert that price to Canadian so what am I supposed to say. But the fact is if I want something bad enough I work for it. Price went up? I work harder to pay for it. I don’t complain.

I hear you. The price is the price. I'll likely end up paying it myself. It's just that a 30% bump in only two years time is worth questioning, IMO.

estarr31 · February 2018

JimmyV said:

estarr31 said:

JimmyV said:

jpdannabelle said:

If a $30 increase is really going to bust the budget and stop someone from going those people should probably think twice about going anywhere and focus on getting their shit together.

This is the laziest of takes. People have every right to question a 30% increase.

Just as the band has every right to charge whatever they want.

Yes, and people have every right to vote with their wallets. Awesome. Really breaking some new ground here.

Of course, but I choose to vote with my wallet when frustrated with the performance/quality of a product/organization. Pearl Jam's quality hasn't diminished in my opinion and the frequency of their performances only continues to decrease as expected with their age. This just seems like a small hill to die on in the context of entertainment. Of course I wish Pearl Jam concert tickets cost the same as they did ten years ago or two years ago. But that's not reality. Not familiar with other entertainment products that stay the same like that.

estarr31 · February 2018

whoanelly15 said:

JimmyV said:

AmishGuy91 said:

Hard to complain about $125 tickets when we all buy $200 worth of merch at each show.

We don't all do that.

Or this...

CantKeepmedown said:

I could think of many other things that I spend $250 on that don't bring me as much joy as PJ does. Shit, I could spend that on a night out with dinner and drinks.

Lot of projecting going on about how other people might spend their money. That's not fair. And it's not what this is about.

helplessdancer said:

seattle shows are a charity event which shuts down the secondary market on stub hub. bravo PJ bravo
8 pages later and i hope someone here has mentioned the fact that this great band STILL do not tier the prices for tickets. yes they have in the past maybe for some outdoor amphitheaters(lawn tickets) but all arena shows in north america generally have 1 price.
10c gets a lot of the great seats and there is no doubt about that, right?
how many GA tickets go on sale to the public? NONE.
how many GA tickets will go to the secondary market and get sold above face? almost none.
if PJ tiered their tickets prices the 10c lottery ticket winners would be paying a lot more for the GA's BUT because they don't tier prices it means the upfront seats(GA&reserved) are actually worth more than face value as the person in the last row in the upper level is paying the same price as a GA ticket
i have zero complaints. NONE.

No one is disputing any of these things. And I'd challenge any interested parties to try find a comment of mine on this or any other board where I have EVER been critical of the band, the 10C, their live shows, the lottery, the ticketing policies, their haircuts... ANYTHING!
I'm a happy, grateful fan and I'm not blaming anyone in particular. But this is still a big jump from 2016 prices. And it directly translates to less live PJ experiences for me. Simple as that.

With all of the positive benefits you outlined it does seem a bit odd to draw a line on the ticket prices. I do understand there's a fine line between telling others what to do with their money, so I'm not trying to do that. Just seems like you acknowledged a lot of the good things about this band that could just as easily be used to justify the ticket prices.

estarr31 · February 2018

rey said:

Clapper said:

rey said:

Clapper said:

rey said:

mace1229 said:

rey said:

JimmyV said:

rey said:

dlymnfld said:

I have had Patriot season tickets since 1992. 28 dollars then, 160 dollars now. Patriots sucked then and are great now. PJ in 92 played a short set and now a pretty long set. All relative.

How much did the Patriots tickets cost in 2016. Have they increased by 30+% since then??

This is a fair point. The bump from 2016 to 2018 is far more relevant than anything the band said or did or charged in 1992 or 1994.

I don't care what other artists charge for their tickets, how much PJ tickets cost in the '90s, or how much tickets to a sporting event cost. The bottom line is that PJ played baseball stadiums in 2016 and are playing baseball stadiums again 2018. The cost for the EXACT same product has increased by 30+ % in the course of just two years. Think about other products you purchase and how you would feel about a 30% increase for the EXACT same product in just two years.
I fully expected the 2018 tickets to cost more than the 2016 tickets because everything goes up in price. I totally get that. I just did not expect they would go up by that much and am having a hard time understanding why.

If the answer is the band wants to make more money playing less shows, would you have a problem with that?
I'd be bummed if that is why, but I'd do the same thing

Yes, I would have a problem with them taking advantage of their fans so that they could make more money playing less shows.

How are they taking advantage of you? They have been charging less than half the market value of these tickets for years. What is it you think this band owes you? In your line of work, how many customers do you have that you charge less than half the market value for your product/service?

In my line of work, if I increase what I charge for the EXACT same product by 30+% in just two years I won't have to worry about having any customers.

Even if you were already offering that product at less than half the actual market value and less than half of your other competitors? A quick check of Ticketmaster brought me to Pitbull in Niagara Falls....top ticket is $293.80ca BEFORE any fees. PITBULL. This band has left hundreds of millions of dollars on the table over the last 25 years and continues to do so. Even if they spike prices by 75% over last tour they'd still be well below the market. I'll ask my original question, what is it you think this band owes you?

The band doesn't owe anyone anything. I'm just having a hard time paying 30+% more than I did two years ago for the same product. Period.  It was suggested by someone else that maybe the band is trying to make more money by working less, and to me that isn't fair to their fans.
Your point about the band's tickets possibly being previously being underpriced is a whole different conversation. I don't think that comparing PJ ticket prices to any other artist's prices is relevant. To me, the market for a PJ show has been set by PJ.......not by what Pitbull or the Foo Fighters or Billy Joel or the New England Patriots are charging. Do you have any idea how many people Pitbull travels with in crew, musicians, stage show, etc. relative to PJ? Or what kind of stage set up he has? I sure don't.  I'd be more interested to see what Pitbull charged for a show in the same type of venue in 2016.

Two things: 1) Comparing their prices to other acts is fair because the production company, crew, and venue costs are all similar and are factored in to the ticket prices. Just b/c PJ is its own entity and do things a bit differently than others, they are still an entertainment act. It's fair-game to compare them to other entertainment acts. This is a crucial point and leads to...
2) If they play less shows, and by doing so, their expenses are higher, then it is fair for them to charge more and that shouldn't be viewed as an insult to fans. Now, if expenses are not higher than in 2016 (which I would find hard to believe), you may have a valid criticism.

odiej34 · February 2018

sunvalleylaw said:

odiej34 said:

Foo Fighters just two weeks later at the same venue is the same price after TM fees. Don't have a problem with either but i think the Pearl Jam tickets are a better value.

Saw them in Idaho only weeks ago, with Bob Mould, for $55/ticket including fees.

GA Floor?

mace1229 · February 2018

They aren't Bejamin Button, they're getting older and working less. This very well may be the last time I see them because who knows if they'll do a real tour again. I probably won't see them again if I have to travel, it will just be more expensive next time. But I think it is worth it this last time.
I was hoping for cheaper tickets, and am disappointed they are so expensive. But why should I be upset with the band for wanting what other bands get paid though?

RYME · February 2018

2 shows & 3 nights in a hotel, + food and drink, and PJ merchandise while at the venue,,ouch.
Oh well.

lolobugg · February 2018

These ticket increases have to do with working with TM. they should just come out and say it.

It makes sense now what the TM corporate guy was up to on PJ radio.

rey · February 2018

estarr31 said:

rey said:

Clapper said:

rey said:

Clapper said:

rey said:

mace1229 said:

rey said:

JimmyV said:

rey said:

dlymnfld said:

I have had Patriot season tickets since 1992. 28 dollars then, 160 dollars now. Patriots sucked then and are great now. PJ in 92 played a short set and now a pretty long set. All relative.

How much did the Patriots tickets cost in 2016. Have they increased by 30+% since then??

This is a fair point. The bump from 2016 to 2018 is far more relevant than anything the band said or did or charged in 1992 or 1994.

I don't care what other artists charge for their tickets, how much PJ tickets cost in the '90s, or how much tickets to a sporting event cost. The bottom line is that PJ played baseball stadiums in 2016 and are playing baseball stadiums again 2018. The cost for the EXACT same product has increased by 30+ % in the course of just two years. Think about other products you purchase and how you would feel about a 30% increase for the EXACT same product in just two years.
I fully expected the 2018 tickets to cost more than the 2016 tickets because everything goes up in price. I totally get that. I just did not expect they would go up by that much and am having a hard time understanding why.

If the answer is the band wants to make more money playing less shows, would you have a problem with that?
I'd be bummed if that is why, but I'd do the same thing

Yes, I would have a problem with them taking advantage of their fans so that they could make more money playing less shows.

How are they taking advantage of you? They have been charging less than half the market value of these tickets for years. What is it you think this band owes you? In your line of work, how many customers do you have that you charge less than half the market value for your product/service?

In my line of work, if I increase what I charge for the EXACT same product by 30+% in just two years I won't have to worry about having any customers.

Even if you were already offering that product at less than half the actual market value and less than half of your other competitors? A quick check of Ticketmaster brought me to Pitbull in Niagara Falls....top ticket is $293.80ca BEFORE any fees. PITBULL. This band has left hundreds of millions of dollars on the table over the last 25 years and continues to do so. Even if they spike prices by 75% over last tour they'd still be well below the market. I'll ask my original question, what is it you think this band owes you?

The band doesn't owe anyone anything. I'm just having a hard time paying 30+% more than I did two years ago for the same product. Period.  It was suggested by someone else that maybe the band is trying to make more money by working less, and to me that isn't fair to their fans.
Your point about the band's tickets possibly being previously being underpriced is a whole different conversation. I don't think that comparing PJ ticket prices to any other artist's prices is relevant. To me, the market for a PJ show has been set by PJ.......not by what Pitbull or the Foo Fighters or Billy Joel or the New England Patriots are charging. Do you have any idea how many people Pitbull travels with in crew, musicians, stage show, etc. relative to PJ? Or what kind of stage set up he has? I sure don't.  I'd be more interested to see what Pitbull charged for a show in the same type of venue in 2016.

Two things: 1) Comparing their prices to other acts is fair because the production company, crew, and venue costs are all similar and are factored in to the ticket prices. Just b/c PJ is its own entity and do things a bit differently than others, they are still an entertainment act. It's fair-game to compare them to other entertainment acts. This is a crucial point and leads to...
2) If they play less shows, and by doing so, their expenses are higher, then it is fair for them to charge more and that shouldn't be viewed as an insult to fans. Now, if expenses are not higher than in 2016 (which I would find hard to believe), you may have a valid criticism.

Fair points but what if PitBull puts on a show with 20 dancers on stage and has a band twice the size of PJ? And has a full pyrotechnic show every night? I would think the expense to put on a show like that would be higher than the expense to put on a PJ show so I would think that difference might reflect in ticket prices, making a comparison irrelevant.

Just to clarify, I do not feel taken advantage of by PJ based on the ticket prices for this year's shows. Somebody asked how I would feel if the band's motivation was to make more money and play less shows. I don't happen to think that is their motivation for playing fewer shows, but if it was I wouldn't be happy about it. I understand them playing fewer shows because of where they are at in their career and I do understand that by doing so the expenses are higher. Maybe the combination of this being a smaller tour and that its two years later than 2016, is what's behind the 30+% increase. Still seems a large increase for basically the same product for the consumer, but so be it.

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