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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,245
    Can’t make this shit up.

    Even Fox News called out Trump's latest lie - Mashable https://apple.news/A44STuUkmT_SWKhPonSYx5g

    Bit we we knew that already and it’s a lot like 3D, D’ing. Speaking of which, has anyone ever seen 3D and Team Trump Treason in the same room at the same time?
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,192
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
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  • mrussel1
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    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
    This is why I hate Trump, regardless of any policy he rolls out.  He could legalize marijuana and gay marriage and I would still hate him.  Conservatives used to say (during the Clinton admin specifically)... character is destiny.  I believe this, always have.  They have stopped believing it.  
  • ikiT
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    edited February 2018
    tweedyfanjen said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    BS44325 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    BS44325 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    And he’s so clueless about how he creates divisiveness. 
    He's not clueless about this...he's moving the Overton Window. It is why the speech he gave last night, which is for the most part a rehash of everything he's always said only in a slightly softer tone, has been getting good reviews. What was once divisive is slowly gaining acceptance. 
    Ha! A speech full of lies, mischaracterizations and untruths. I can see why you think it’s getting good reviews despite the lower ratings. And if his policies are so “accepting,” why 38 current repubes resigning from Congress and still less than 40% approval? What alternate version of reality are you living in, Professor?
    What you state is all true and yet the Democratic fundraising numbers are atrocious 

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/30/democratic-national-committee-fundraising-379360

    In fact the party is about 200k away from being insolvent. The reality I live in is beginning to worry about the Democratic party surviving rising interest rates.
    And yet the dems keep picking up seats and Ted Cruz’s dem opponent out fund raises him in Texas and record number of repubes are resigning. We’ll just have to wait and see if Soros matches the Koch brothers’ $400M. 
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/31/politics/trey-gowdy-retiring/index.html

    Not sad to see this one go.
    THE WORST of the JV team...next to Nunes of course.
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  • BS44325
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    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
    This is why I hate Trump, regardless of any policy he rolls out.  He could legalize marijuana and gay marriage and I would still hate him.  Conservatives used to say (during the Clinton admin specifically)... character is destiny.  I believe this, always have.  They have stopped believing it.  
    You are correct. This is the main split between conservatives who support Trump and conservatives that are #NeverTrump. Conservatives who are pro-trump watched the dems obliterate an honourable and decent man such as Mitt Romney. They have realized that regardless of character the left will turn any candidate into a racist, misogynistic, nazi. They are tired of that playbook and decided to go with the man of zero character to take on the woman of zero character. NeverTrump conservatives could not make that leap yet are slowly coming around to Trump's conservative results. They are recognizing that no other republican candidate could withstand the onslaught that Trump has taken. For now it is "a fighter" over "character". 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,192
    edited February 2018
    Sounds like Wray might resign if tRump releases that memo....this could be huge....or not, now it sounds like he won't resign which is probably a good thing
    Post edited by Gern Blansten on
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  • mrussel1
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    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
    This is why I hate Trump, regardless of any policy he rolls out.  He could legalize marijuana and gay marriage and I would still hate him.  Conservatives used to say (during the Clinton admin specifically)... character is destiny.  I believe this, always have.  They have stopped believing it.  
    You are correct. This is the main split between conservatives who support Trump and conservatives that are #NeverTrump. Conservatives who are pro-trump watched the dems obliterate an honourable and decent man such as Mitt Romney. They have realized that regardless of character the left will turn any candidate into a racist, misogynistic, nazi. They are tired of that playbook and decided to go with the man of zero character to take on the woman of zero character. NeverTrump conservatives could not make that leap yet are slowly coming around to Trump's conservative results. They are recognizing that no other republican candidate could withstand the onslaught that Trump has taken. For now it is "a fighter" over "character". 
    Oh STFU... destroy the character of Romney.. give me a break.  That is hardball politics to use a weakness against someone (he ran an equity firm for Christ's sake).  It's no different than the Willie Horton ad in '88, the Daisy ad in '64 and lots of other examples.  We're talking about totally different things here.  
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
    This is why I hate Trump, regardless of any policy he rolls out.  He could legalize marijuana and gay marriage and I would still hate him.  Conservatives used to say (during the Clinton admin specifically)... character is destiny.  I believe this, always have.  They have stopped believing it.  
    You are correct. This is the main split between conservatives who support Trump and conservatives that are #NeverTrump. Conservatives who are pro-trump watched the dems obliterate an honourable and decent man such as Mitt Romney. They have realized that regardless of character the left will turn any candidate into a racist, misogynistic, nazi. They are tired of that playbook and decided to go with the man of zero character to take on the woman of zero character. NeverTrump conservatives could not make that leap yet are slowly coming around to Trump's conservative results. They are recognizing that no other republican candidate could withstand the onslaught that Trump has taken. For now it is "a fighter" over "character". 
    I don't recall anyone being "turned into" a racist, misogynist or nazi, unless they have fit the mold themselves quite clearly. I don't recall any federal candidate that has ever been accused, in modern history, of any of those things. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
    This is why I hate Trump, regardless of any policy he rolls out.  He could legalize marijuana and gay marriage and I would still hate him.  Conservatives used to say (during the Clinton admin specifically)... character is destiny.  I believe this, always have.  They have stopped believing it.  
    You are correct. This is the main split between conservatives who support Trump and conservatives that are #NeverTrump. Conservatives who are pro-trump watched the dems obliterate an honourable and decent man such as Mitt Romney. They have realized that regardless of character the left will turn any candidate into a racist, misogynistic, nazi. They are tired of that playbook and decided to go with the man of zero character to take on the woman of zero character. NeverTrump conservatives could not make that leap yet are slowly coming around to Trump's conservative results. They are recognizing that no other republican candidate could withstand the onslaught that Trump has taken. For now it is "a fighter" over "character". 
    I don't recall anyone being "turned into" a racist, misogynist or nazi, unless they have fit the mold themselves quite clearly. I don't recall any federal candidate that has ever been accused, in modern history, of any of those things. 
    George Wallace did run for POTUS in 68 for the "American Independent Party"... so Trump does have company.  
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,245
    edited February 2018
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
    This is why I hate Trump, regardless of any policy he rolls out.  He could legalize marijuana and gay marriage and I would still hate him.  Conservatives used to say (during the Clinton admin specifically)... character is destiny.  I believe this, always have.  They have stopped believing it.  
    You are correct. This is the main split between conservatives who support Trump and conservatives that are #NeverTrump. Conservatives who are pro-trump watched the dems obliterate an honourable and decent man such as Mitt Romney. They have realized that regardless of character the left will turn any candidate into a racist, misogynistic, nazi. They are tired of that playbook and decided to go with the man of zero character to take on the woman of zero character. NeverTrump conservatives could not make that leap yet are slowly coming around to Trump's conservative results. They are recognizing that no other republican candidate could withstand the onslaught that Trump has taken. For now it is "a fighter" over "character". 
    I thought it was Team Trump Treason’s brilliance? How many theories do you have to explain Team Trump Treason’s occupancy of the White House, Professor?
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  • BS44325
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    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
    This is why I hate Trump, regardless of any policy he rolls out.  He could legalize marijuana and gay marriage and I would still hate him.  Conservatives used to say (during the Clinton admin specifically)... character is destiny.  I believe this, always have.  They have stopped believing it.  
    You are correct. This is the main split between conservatives who support Trump and conservatives that are #NeverTrump. Conservatives who are pro-trump watched the dems obliterate an honourable and decent man such as Mitt Romney. They have realized that regardless of character the left will turn any candidate into a racist, misogynistic, nazi. They are tired of that playbook and decided to go with the man of zero character to take on the woman of zero character. NeverTrump conservatives could not make that leap yet are slowly coming around to Trump's conservative results. They are recognizing that no other republican candidate could withstand the onslaught that Trump has taken. For now it is "a fighter" over "character". 
    Oh STFU... destroy the character of Romney.. give me a break.  That is hardball politics to use a weakness against someone (he ran an equity firm for Christ's sake).  It's no different than the Willie Horton ad in '88, the Daisy ad in '64 and lots of other examples.  We're talking about totally different things here.  
    STFU? Character is destiny...
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
    This is why I hate Trump, regardless of any policy he rolls out.  He could legalize marijuana and gay marriage and I would still hate him.  Conservatives used to say (during the Clinton admin specifically)... character is destiny.  I believe this, always have.  They have stopped believing it.  
    You are correct. This is the main split between conservatives who support Trump and conservatives that are #NeverTrump. Conservatives who are pro-trump watched the dems obliterate an honourable and decent man such as Mitt Romney. They have realized that regardless of character the left will turn any candidate into a racist, misogynistic, nazi. They are tired of that playbook and decided to go with the man of zero character to take on the woman of zero character. NeverTrump conservatives could not make that leap yet are slowly coming around to Trump's conservative results. They are recognizing that no other republican candidate could withstand the onslaught that Trump has taken. For now it is "a fighter" over "character". 
    I don't recall anyone being "turned into" a racist, misogynist or nazi, unless they have fit the mold themselves quite clearly. I don't recall any federal candidate that has ever been accused, in modern history, of any of those things. 
    Ahhh....so Romney just fit that mold. 
  • BS44325
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
    This is why I hate Trump, regardless of any policy he rolls out.  He could legalize marijuana and gay marriage and I would still hate him.  Conservatives used to say (during the Clinton admin specifically)... character is destiny.  I believe this, always have.  They have stopped believing it.  
    You are correct. This is the main split between conservatives who support Trump and conservatives that are #NeverTrump. Conservatives who are pro-trump watched the dems obliterate an honourable and decent man such as Mitt Romney. They have realized that regardless of character the left will turn any candidate into a racist, misogynistic, nazi. They are tired of that playbook and decided to go with the man of zero character to take on the woman of zero character. NeverTrump conservatives could not make that leap yet are slowly coming around to Trump's conservative results. They are recognizing that no other republican candidate could withstand the onslaught that Trump has taken. For now it is "a fighter" over "character". 
    I thought it was Team Trump Treason’s brilliance? How many theories do you have to explain Team Trump Treason’s occupancy of the White House, Professor?
    It's the same theory. He brilliantly ran a campaign of, to borrow mrussel1's phrase, "hardball politics" that a sizeable portion of the republican party was ready for. Please try to keep up.
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    BS44325 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
    This is why I hate Trump, regardless of any policy he rolls out.  He could legalize marijuana and gay marriage and I would still hate him.  Conservatives used to say (during the Clinton admin specifically)... character is destiny.  I believe this, always have.  They have stopped believing it.  
    You are correct. This is the main split between conservatives who support Trump and conservatives that are #NeverTrump. Conservatives who are pro-trump watched the dems obliterate an honourable and decent man such as Mitt Romney. They have realized that regardless of character the left will turn any candidate into a racist, misogynistic, nazi. They are tired of that playbook and decided to go with the man of zero character to take on the woman of zero character. NeverTrump conservatives could not make that leap yet are slowly coming around to Trump's conservative results. They are recognizing that no other republican candidate could withstand the onslaught that Trump has taken. For now it is "a fighter" over "character". 
    I don't recall anyone being "turned into" a racist, misogynist or nazi, unless they have fit the mold themselves quite clearly. I don't recall any federal candidate that has ever been accused, in modern history, of any of those things. 
    Ahhh....so Romney just fit that mold. 
    I won't claim to have been as much of a follower of US politics then as I am now, but I don't recall him being painted as any of those. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
    This is why I hate Trump, regardless of any policy he rolls out.  He could legalize marijuana and gay marriage and I would still hate him.  Conservatives used to say (during the Clinton admin specifically)... character is destiny.  I believe this, always have.  They have stopped believing it.  
    You are correct. This is the main split between conservatives who support Trump and conservatives that are #NeverTrump. Conservatives who are pro-trump watched the dems obliterate an honourable and decent man such as Mitt Romney. They have realized that regardless of character the left will turn any candidate into a racist, misogynistic, nazi. They are tired of that playbook and decided to go with the man of zero character to take on the woman of zero character. NeverTrump conservatives could not make that leap yet are slowly coming around to Trump's conservative results. They are recognizing that no other republican candidate could withstand the onslaught that Trump has taken. For now it is "a fighter" over "character". 
    I thought it was Team Trump Treason’s brilliance? How many theories do you have to explain Team Trump Treason’s occupancy of the White House, Professor?
    It's the same theory. He brilliantly ran a campaign of, to borrow mrussel1's phrase, "hardball politics" that a sizeable portion of the republican party was ready for. Please try to keep up.
    With a brilliant assist from Russia, Russia, Russia to borrow 3D's phrase. There is nothing "brilliant" about Team Trump Treason.
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  • rgambs
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    edited February 2018
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
    This is why I hate Trump, regardless of any policy he rolls out.  He could legalize marijuana and gay marriage and I would still hate him.  Conservatives used to say (during the Clinton admin specifically)... character is destiny.  I believe this, always have.  They have stopped believing it.  
    You are correct. This is the main split between conservatives who support Trump and conservatives that are #NeverTrump. Conservatives who are pro-trump watched the dems obliterate an honourable and decent man such as Mitt Romney. They have realized that regardless of character the left will turn any candidate into a racist, misogynistic, nazi. They are tired of that playbook and decided to go with the man of zero character to take on the woman of zero character. NeverTrump conservatives could not make that leap yet are slowly coming around to Trump's conservative results. They are recognizing that no other republican candidate could withstand the onslaught that Trump has taken. For now it is "a fighter" over "character". 
    Yeah, I have to go with Matt and say, this is baloney.
    Romney got obliterated because he was an exceptional emblem of the cause of the recession trying to get elected to fix the recession.  The attacks didn't defeat him, that's just a nice fantasy concocted to explain a defeat that should have been painfully obvious.

    To say that he lost the election because he was painted as a bigot doesn't really square with the actual bigot winning the next election.  Why didn't the various collections of bigots turn out and win the day for Romney?   Oh, right, you don't really believe in racists and bigots, only in false accusations of racism and bigotry.
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  • BS44325
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    BS44325 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
    This is why I hate Trump, regardless of any policy he rolls out.  He could legalize marijuana and gay marriage and I would still hate him.  Conservatives used to say (during the Clinton admin specifically)... character is destiny.  I believe this, always have.  They have stopped believing it.  
    You are correct. This is the main split between conservatives who support Trump and conservatives that are #NeverTrump. Conservatives who are pro-trump watched the dems obliterate an honourable and decent man such as Mitt Romney. They have realized that regardless of character the left will turn any candidate into a racist, misogynistic, nazi. They are tired of that playbook and decided to go with the man of zero character to take on the woman of zero character. NeverTrump conservatives could not make that leap yet are slowly coming around to Trump's conservative results. They are recognizing that no other republican candidate could withstand the onslaught that Trump has taken. For now it is "a fighter" over "character". 
    I don't recall anyone being "turned into" a racist, misogynist or nazi, unless they have fit the mold themselves quite clearly. I don't recall any federal candidate that has ever been accused, in modern history, of any of those things. 
    Ahhh....so Romney just fit that mold. 
    I won't claim to have been as much of a follower of US politics then as I am now, but I don't recall him being painted as any of those. 
    Here's Time Magazine
    http://ideas.time.com/2012/07/12/romney-plays-the-race-card/

    Here's the Daily Caller
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/02/mitt-romneys-shockingly-racist-acceptance-speech/

    Just type Mitt Romney Racist into Google and you will get an endless list of articles

    And let's not forget how "Binder full of women" was evidence of a War on Women.
  • BS44325
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    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
    This is why I hate Trump, regardless of any policy he rolls out.  He could legalize marijuana and gay marriage and I would still hate him.  Conservatives used to say (during the Clinton admin specifically)... character is destiny.  I believe this, always have.  They have stopped believing it.  
    You are correct. This is the main split between conservatives who support Trump and conservatives that are #NeverTrump. Conservatives who are pro-trump watched the dems obliterate an honourable and decent man such as Mitt Romney. They have realized that regardless of character the left will turn any candidate into a racist, misogynistic, nazi. They are tired of that playbook and decided to go with the man of zero character to take on the woman of zero character. NeverTrump conservatives could not make that leap yet are slowly coming around to Trump's conservative results. They are recognizing that no other republican candidate could withstand the onslaught that Trump has taken. For now it is "a fighter" over "character". 
    Yeah, I have to go with Matt and say, this is baloney.
    Romney got obliterated because he was an exceptional emblem of the cause of the recession trying to get elected to fix the recession.  The attacks didn't defeat him, that's just a nice fantasy concocted to explain a defeat that should have been painfully obvious.

    To say that he lost the election because he was painted as a bigot doesn't really square with the actual bigot winning the next election.  Why didn't the various collections of bigots turn out and win the day for Romney?   Oh, right, you don't really believe in racists and bigots, only in false accusations of racism and bigotry.
    I didn't say that is why he lost. You need to read my post again. He lost because as decent as he was he was inauthentic and did not come across as a fighter. The Obama campaign themselves have stated that they buried Romney in negative ads and that the election was over even before the convention. I believe it. Romney was too decent to fight back. Trump is a New York billionaire with less of a track record then Romney but he convinced his voters that he would fight for them. The base did not want character. They wanted a fighter.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    BS44325 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    BS44325 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
    This is why I hate Trump, regardless of any policy he rolls out.  He could legalize marijuana and gay marriage and I would still hate him.  Conservatives used to say (during the Clinton admin specifically)... character is destiny.  I believe this, always have.  They have stopped believing it.  
    You are correct. This is the main split between conservatives who support Trump and conservatives that are #NeverTrump. Conservatives who are pro-trump watched the dems obliterate an honourable and decent man such as Mitt Romney. They have realized that regardless of character the left will turn any candidate into a racist, misogynistic, nazi. They are tired of that playbook and decided to go with the man of zero character to take on the woman of zero character. NeverTrump conservatives could not make that leap yet are slowly coming around to Trump's conservative results. They are recognizing that no other republican candidate could withstand the onslaught that Trump has taken. For now it is "a fighter" over "character". 
    I don't recall anyone being "turned into" a racist, misogynist or nazi, unless they have fit the mold themselves quite clearly. I don't recall any federal candidate that has ever been accused, in modern history, of any of those things. 
    Ahhh....so Romney just fit that mold. 
    I won't claim to have been as much of a follower of US politics then as I am now, but I don't recall him being painted as any of those. 
    Here's Time Magazine
    http://ideas.time.com/2012/07/12/romney-plays-the-race-card/

    Here's the Daily Caller
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/02/mitt-romneys-shockingly-racist-acceptance-speech/

    Just type Mitt Romney Racist into Google and you will get an endless list of articles

    And let's not forget how "Binder full of women" was evidence of a War on Women.
    Mitt was perceived as an old, stodgy white guy from the 50's, out of touch with today's generation, needing "a binder full of women" to choose from for his administration because he didn't know any or have experience with working with any. That and his 47% comment showed the world who he really was/is. Completely out of touch with the average Joe, like Joe the Plumber, remember him? and the Daily Caller? Jeesh.
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    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump just said that if Hillary would have won the stock market would be down 50%....
    This is why I hate Trump, regardless of any policy he rolls out.  He could legalize marijuana and gay marriage and I would still hate him.  Conservatives used to say (during the Clinton admin specifically)... character is destiny.  I believe this, always have.  They have stopped believing it.  
    You are correct. This is the main split between conservatives who support Trump and conservatives that are #NeverTrump. Conservatives who are pro-trump watched the dems obliterate an honourable and decent man such as Mitt Romney. They have realized that regardless of character the left will turn any candidate into a racist, misogynistic, nazi. They are tired of that playbook and decided to go with the man of zero character to take on the woman of zero character. NeverTrump conservatives could not make that leap yet are slowly coming around to Trump's conservative results. They are recognizing that no other republican candidate could withstand the onslaught that Trump has taken. For now it is "a fighter" over "character". 
    Yeah, I have to go with Matt and say, this is baloney.
    Romney got obliterated because he was an exceptional emblem of the cause of the recession trying to get elected to fix the recession.  The attacks didn't defeat him, that's just a nice fantasy concocted to explain a defeat that should have been painfully obvious.

    To say that he lost the election because he was painted as a bigot doesn't really square with the actual bigot winning the next election.  Why didn't the various collections of bigots turn out and win the day for Romney?   Oh, right, you don't really believe in racists and bigots, only in false accusations of racism and bigotry.
    I didn't say that is why he lost. You need to read my post again. He lost because as decent as he was he was inauthentic and did not come across as a fighter. The Obama campaign themselves have stated that they buried Romney in negative ads and that the election was over even before the convention. I believe it. Romney was too decent to fight back. Trump is a New York billionaire with less of a track record then Romney but he convinced his voters that he would fight for them. The base did not want character. They wanted a fighter.
    I don't think they bargained for a fighter, fighting their way into an impeachment corner. Brilliance and all. And without the assist from Russia, Russia, Russia, he wouldn't be fighting at all.
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