Why did they boo Eddie?

PJ_Soul · January 2018

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

one thing to note......I haven't heard one democrat complain about Ed's banter. If he was pro-Bush or pro-any republican, I'm pretty sure the complainers would be from a different side.

Dems wouldn't be there.

Agreed.... I think. It's actually kind of hard to judge this, since I can't think of any politically vocal and popular band that is both really good and right wing. I mean, what would that even be like?? Can anyone think of any examples of this? And if this does exist, or if it did, wouldn't they be ranting and singing about shit like guns rights, pro-life, private healthcare, low taxes, and trickle down economics?? Yeah, I would definitely not be into a band like that!

Are you joking or serious?
when it comes to listening to the music I couldn't care less about the political stance of a band.
i can't imagine not listening to my favorite music because of who they want to be president.
now if it was something like human trafficking or something they were into, then yeah. But because we have a different opinion on oboerion? I'll write Pro Choice on your other arm for you if it gets me another encore.

Joking about what? Why in the hell would I want to listen to a political band that focuses on right wing politics? Why would that interest me?
But my real point is that it's a moot point, since I know of no good bands who are politically involved who are right wing. None. That is why I actually have no idea what that would be like.

PJPOWER · January 2018

Any Metallica fans around here? Any anti-gun people? James Hetfield is a pretty hardcore hunter and member of the NRA...you should probably never listen to them again.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2018

PJPOWER said:

Any Metallica fans around here? Any anti-gun people? James Hatfield is a pretty hardcore hunter and member of the NRA...you should probably never listen to them again.

if he sang about gun rights and the second amendment and how obama was coming to take your guns and spoke to live crowds about the evils of democrats not wanting to protect society, yes, I would not go to their shows or buy their records.

I'm sure there are artists whose political views I don't agree with. But that doesn't matter to me if it's not in the content of the songs or the live show. it's not a choice based on principle. just the words I can identify with.

mace1229 · January 2018

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

one thing to note......I haven't heard one democrat complain about Ed's banter. If he was pro-Bush or pro-any republican, I'm pretty sure the complainers would be from a different side.

Dems wouldn't be there.

Agreed.... I think. It's actually kind of hard to judge this, since I can't think of any politically vocal and popular band that is both really good and right wing. I mean, what would that even be like?? Can anyone think of any examples of this? And if this does exist, or if it did, wouldn't they be ranting and singing about shit like guns rights, pro-life, private healthcare, low taxes, and trickle down economics?? Yeah, I would definitely not be into a band like that!

Are you joking or serious?
when it comes to listening to the music I couldn't care less about the political stance of a band.
i can't imagine not listening to my favorite music because of who they want to be president.
now if it was something like human trafficking or something they were into, then yeah. But because we have a different opinion on oboerion? I'll write Pro Choice on your other arm for you if it gets me another encore.

Joking about what? Why in the hell would I want to listen to a political band that focuses on right wing politics? Why would that interest me?
But my real point is that it's a moot point, since I know of no good bands who are politically involved who are right wing. None. That is why I actually have no idea what that would be like.

I thought you meant you wouldn't listen to a right wing band, even if it was unrelated to their music. Like if you found out Foo FIghters (or whoever) plans to vote republican you'd throw out all their old albums with music that had nothing to do with politics.
I guess in my mind their politics is more evident in their actions than music, but I guess that is only true for the first half of their career.
Ten, Vs, Vit, NC, Yield, many of my favorite songs on those albums don't have a lot to do with politics. Which is probably why they have such a range of fans. Riot Act and on is more political, but if their career started at RA I'd still like their music, but they wouldn't be my favorite band.

There are a good amount of conservative and/or christian artists, they just aren't known for combining their personal beliefs into their music, and are not politically involved like you said. Probably because Christian music sucks and they don't want that label attached.
Although it wouldn't bother me (I love Glorified G, but I own guns), I could understand see not wanting to listen to music that is about things you don't agree with. I wouldn't understand not listening to a band because of their political belief if it was unrelated to their music though. That would be like burning Cat Stevens albums because he converted to Islam.

PJ_Soul · January 2018

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

one thing to note......I haven't heard one democrat complain about Ed's banter. If he was pro-Bush or pro-any republican, I'm pretty sure the complainers would be from a different side.

Dems wouldn't be there.

Agreed.... I think. It's actually kind of hard to judge this, since I can't think of any politically vocal and popular band that is both really good and right wing. I mean, what would that even be like?? Can anyone think of any examples of this? And if this does exist, or if it did, wouldn't they be ranting and singing about shit like guns rights, pro-life, private healthcare, low taxes, and trickle down economics?? Yeah, I would definitely not be into a band like that!

Are you joking or serious?
when it comes to listening to the music I couldn't care less about the political stance of a band.
i can't imagine not listening to my favorite music because of who they want to be president.
now if it was something like human trafficking or something they were into, then yeah. But because we have a different opinion on oboerion? I'll write Pro Choice on your other arm for you if it gets me another encore.

Joking about what? Why in the hell would I want to listen to a political band that focuses on right wing politics? Why would that interest me?
But my real point is that it's a moot point, since I know of no good bands who are politically involved who are right wing. None. That is why I actually have no idea what that would be like.

I thought you meant you wouldn't listen to a right wing band, even if it was unrelated to their music. Like if you found out Foo FIghters (or whoever) plans to vote republican you'd throw out all their old albums with music that had nothing to do with politics.
I guess in my mind their politics is more evident in their actions than music, but I guess that is only true for the first half of their career.
Ten, Vs, Vit, NC, Yield, many of my favorite songs on those albums don't have a lot to do with politics. Which is probably why they have such a range of fans. Riot Act and on is more political, but if their career started at RA I'd still like their music, but they wouldn't be my favorite band.

There are a good amount of conservative and/or christian artists, they just aren't known for combining their personal beliefs into their music, and are not politically involved like you said. Probably because Christian music sucks and they don't want that label attached.
Although it wouldn't bother me (I love Glorified G, but I own guns), I could understand see not wanting to listen to music that is about things you don't agree with. I wouldn't understand not listening to a band because of their political belief if it was unrelated to their music though. That would be like burning Cat Stevens albums because he converted to Islam.

No, that's why I specifically said "political band".

eddiec · January 2018

PJPOWER said:

Any Metallica fans around here? Any anti-gun people? James Hetfield is a pretty hardcore hunter and member of the NRA...you should probably never listen to them again.

If he shoots lions and elephants with an assault rifle then he's a doucher. If he hunts deer with a 260 Remington then I have no problem with it.

dignin · January 2018

PJPOWER said:

Any Metallica fans around here? Any anti-gun people? James Hetfield is a pretty hardcore hunter and member of the NRA...you should probably never listen to them again.

Can't say I've ever been to a Metallica show, or purchased one of their albums. I did see them at a festival once though, can't remember any political rants the NRA....or much chatter at all. They were good. Is Metallica the band outwardly political (conservative) in their songs, shows and other media? I really don't know.

Fact is, if I choose to be picky about which artists I support based on politics, I have many options. Conservatives do not.

PJ_Soul · January 2018

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Any Metallica fans around here? Any anti-gun people? James Hetfield is a pretty hardcore hunter and member of the NRA...you should probably never listen to them again.

Can't say I've ever been to a Metallica show, or purchased one of their albums. I did see them at a festival once though, can't remember any political rants the NRA....or much chatter at all. They were good. Is Metallica the band outwardly political (conservative) in their songs, shows and other media? I really don't know.

Fact is, if I choose to be picky about which artists I support based on politics, I have many options. Conservatives do not.

Very true. Things are not equal as far as this conversation goes given the demographics of artists. The vast majority of them are liberals. I know there are exceptions, and of course there are going to be more right wing country artists and shit, and possibly more among heavy metal artists (it does seem that way), but by and large it is obviously true that most artists, musicians and otherwise, are liberal.

PJPOWER · January 2018

eddiec said:

PJPOWER said:

Any Metallica fans around here? Any anti-gun people? James Hetfield is a pretty hardcore hunter and member of the NRA...you should probably never listen to them again.

If he shoots lions and elephants with an assault rifle then he's a doucher. If he hunts deer with a 260 Remington then I have no problem with it.

I don’t know of anyone that shoots lions or elephants with an “assault rifle”, although Heyfield does hunt Bears with a regular old non-assault rifle. He has always been an outspoken supporter of hunting and the NRA, but the band itself does not seem to involve themselves in politics. Just curious where people draw the line.

Go Beavers · January 2018

PJPOWER said:

eddiec said:

PJPOWER said:

Any Metallica fans around here? Any anti-gun people? James Hetfield is a pretty hardcore hunter and member of the NRA...you should probably never listen to them again.

If he shoots lions and elephants with an assault rifle then he's a doucher. If he hunts deer with a 260 Remington then I have no problem with it.

I don’t know of anyone that shoots lions or elephants with an “assault rifle”, although Hatfield does hunt Bears with a regular old non-assault rifle. He has always been an outspoken supporter of hunting and the NRA, but the band itself does not seem to involve themselves in politics. Just curious where people draw the line.

I only listen to vegan bands that make their own clothes from recycled fabrics and live in straw bail homes with solar panels.

PJPOWER · January 2018

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

eddiec said:

PJPOWER said:

Any Metallica fans around here? Any anti-gun people? James Hetfield is a pretty hardcore hunter and member of the NRA...you should probably never listen to them again.

If he shoots lions and elephants with an assault rifle then he's a doucher. If he hunts deer with a 260 Remington then I have no problem with it.

I don’t know of anyone that shoots lions or elephants with an “assault rifle”, although Hatfield does hunt Bears with a regular old non-assault rifle. He has always been an outspoken supporter of hunting and the NRA, but the band itself does not seem to involve themselves in politics. Just curious where people draw the line.

I only listen to vegan bands that make their own clothes from recycled fabrics and live in hay bail homes with solar panels.

Lol, sounds like a large pool!

brianlux · January 2018

You guys crack me up!

Jason P · January 2018

https://youtube.com/watch?v=aXnkFd373T4

bootlegger10 · January 2018

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

one thing to note......I haven't heard one democrat complain about Ed's banter. If he was pro-Bush or pro-any republican, I'm pretty sure the complainers would be from a different side.

Dems wouldn't be there.

for the life of me, i can't figure out why any lifetime republican would be interested in this band. from their lyrics, to their political and social stances. i wouldn't be able to separate that from the music. because half of it IS the music.

Well, I was one until this past couple years. I'm closer to a Democrat than a Republican now.

I always respected the band and how sincere they were with their beliefs. I believe all of their positions come from a perspective of caring for people and humanity. I may not have agreed with all of their positions and the proper way to do things, but nevertheless respected them, the music and the lyrics.

I can understand why a 17 year old would get an abortion, and the position that it is her body and her call. I understand the position that others take that it is murder, or that the father should have some say in what happens to the baby. I think both positions have a lot of value, and thus I am not going to hate someone on either side of it.

Of course, one big difference is that Republicans are more war hungry, so it is a lot easier for a Republican to tolerate a piece happy Democrat, than for a Democrat to accept a war hungry Republican.

bootlegger10 · January 2018

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

eddiec said:

PJPOWER said:

Any Metallica fans around here? Any anti-gun people? James Hetfield is a pretty hardcore hunter and member of the NRA...you should probably never listen to them again.

If he shoots lions and elephants with an assault rifle then he's a doucher. If he hunts deer with a 260 Remington then I have no problem with it.

I don’t know of anyone that shoots lions or elephants with an “assault rifle”, although Hatfield does hunt Bears with a regular old non-assault rifle. He has always been an outspoken supporter of hunting and the NRA, but the band itself does not seem to involve themselves in politics. Just curious where people draw the line.

I only listen to vegan bands that make their own clothes from recycled fabrics and live in straw bail homes with solar panels.

Ha! If Stone sets up another side band it could be a possibility.

lolobugg · January 2018

brianlux said:

I have to admit I've always been a bit surprised that there are hard right leaning Pearl Jam fans, but then maybe the music has a broad enough appeal that the band members' obviously strong left-leaning personalities (which do often come out in the music) doen't matter as much to those fans.

The people I am really puzzled about at times are those folks who are outspokenly right-wing and who by far mostly post on AMT and yet have little to say about the music itself. I don't get that (and also don't see that happen as much as in the past).

I guess if I looked at it in reverse, if there was a band that was outwardly and strongly right wing (and face it, that's pretty small company) and yet I thought their music was outstanding, I might call myself a fan, but only a fan of the music. I doubt I would have any interest in talking on-line about any aspect of that band other than their music. And if that band became increasing outspoken about an overall right wing agenda, I would lose interest pretty quickly. For example, he may have done some decent work early on, but I have no Ted Nugent in my record collection nor any interest in doing so.

dumbest thing I ever saw at a PJ show was at the Asheville Vote for Choice show in 2004.

3 dimwits in front of me were wearing Bush/Cheney 2004 shirts.

lolobugg · January 2018

hedonist said:

vaggar99 said:

brianlux said:

I have to admit I've always been a bit surprised that there are hard right leaning Pearl Jam fans, but then maybe the music has a broad enough appeal that the band members' obviously strong left-leaning personalities (which do often come out in the music) doen't matter as much to those fans.

The people I am really puzzled about at times are those folks who are outspokenly right-wing and who by far mostly post on AMT and yet have little to say about the music itself. I don't get that (and also don't see that happen as much as in the past).

I guess if I looked at it in reverse, if there was a band that was outwardly and strongly right wing (and face it, that's pretty small company) and yet I thought their music was outstanding, I might call myself a fan, but only a fan of the music. I doubt I would have any interest in talking on-line about any aspect of that band other than their music. And if that band became increasing outspoken about an overall right wing agenda, I would lose interest pretty quickly. For example, he may have done some decent work early on, but I have no Ted Nugent in my record collection nor any interest in doing so.

although PJ (Eddie) write a lot of political songs, the majority are not. The ones with universal themes (family, love, loss etc) tend to also be the most popular.

Recently, I went on a Smashing Pumpkins nostalgia binge. I listened to all the old albums (and some new) and I also watched a bunch of more recent Billy Corgan interviews. Turns out the guy has been on Alex Jones several times and happens to be friends with him. He seems to be a Trump supporter. He also owns a wrestling league. He's basically the musical poster boy for the alt-right. But you know what? I've never admired the guy more. His songs and musical expertise transcend politics. I suppose righty PJ fans might look at Eddie the same way

Bolded part, beautiful. And applies to many.

(sometimes, you gotta keep 'em separated!)

Hedo,

Nart still gives me shit about liking Corgan after he appeared on the alex jones show.

def not a good look for him to associate himself with that nutjob but I give Corgan the benefit of the doubt. I just think he is attracted to the losers, outcasts and that type.

Spiritual_Chaos · January 2018

Embarrassing people in that crowd.

Embarrassing people on here that disregard all the things that comes with being an artist, having something to say with your songs and having a point of view. The "just play your songs like you are a jukebox"-people must be the dumbest/most ignorant people around. Go listen to some elevator music instead then.

RYME · January 2018

I don't mind Pearl Jam or Eddie Vedder or artists voicing their views on things. The question is why did some people boo.
That's because not all of his fans are nodding bobbleheads. And Eddie should not expect all of his fans to be nodding bobbleheads and agree with everything he says. I mean at Fenway he said something that not everybody agreed with and there was some discontent out there. You expect 80,000 fans to all have the same opinion? To expect that would be pure arrogance.
And the answer to Hugh freaking Dillon's question.
How can anyconservatives enjoy Pearl Jam's music when everything they do is Progressive and liberal.
If I had to agree with everything musicians believed I would have no music to listen to.

rgambs · January 2018

RYME said:

I don't mind Pearl Jam or Eddie Vedder or artists voicing their views on things. The question is why did some people boo.
That's because not all of his fans are nodding bobbleheads. And Eddie should not expect all of his fans to be nodding bobbleheads and agree with everything he says. I mean at Fenway he said something that not everybody agreed with and there was some discontent out there. You expect 80,000 fans to all have the same opinion? To expect that would be pure arrogance.
And the answer to Hugh freaking Dillon's question.
How can anyconservatives enjoy Pearl Jam's music when everything they do is Progressive and liberal.
If I had to agree with everything musicians believed I would have no music to listen to.

You don't have to be a nodding bobblehead to have enough class not to boo. You just have to be an adult.

Why did they boo Eddie?

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