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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    CM189191 said:
    Sarah Sanders doing some serious damage control today, it's sad to watch
    I have not an ounce of sympathy for anyone in that administration or who has served Team Trump Treason. Values? Yea, right.
    Fully agree. A conscious loudspeaker for egregious ideas to fool the masses is still conscious and thus complicit.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,758
    edited January 2018
    Sarah Sanders is a disgusting human being. May she rot in hell.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,758
    Yeah, I also wondered about the validity of some of the content so read into it a bit. It seems to me that Wolff is quite qualified as a direct witness in many cases, and also had access to plenty of credible sources. I also personally very much appreciate the tone he used in the book. That is the tone that makes a book interesting as opposed to tedious.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    I find things like that more believable when there's less salt thrown on the dish just to add flavour. if the dish was good enough on its own, there is no need for it. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    PJ_Soul said:
    Yeah, I also wondered about the validity of some of the content so read into it a bit. It seems to me that Wolff is quite qualified as a direct witness in many cases, and also had access to plenty of credible sources. I also personally very much appreciate the tone he used in the book. That is the tone that makes a book interesting as opposed to tedious.
    Did you guys read the preamble about the conflicting information and the "guesses" he was forced to make because...everyone lied. 
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    This is what NY Mag posted

    HOW HE GOT THE STORY

    This story is adapted from Michael Wolff’s book Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House, to be published by Henry Holt & Co. on January 9. Wolff, who chronicles the administration from Election Day to this past October, conducted conversations and interviews over a period of 18 months with the president, most members of his senior staff, and many people to whom they in turn spoke. Shortly after Trump’s inauguration, Wolff says, he was able to take up “something like a semi-permanent seat on a couch in the West Wing” — an idea encouraged by the president himself. Because no one was in a position to either officially approve or formally deny such access, Wolff became “more a constant interloper than an invited guest.” There were no ground rules placed on his access, and he was required to make no promises about how he would report on what he witnessed.

    Since then, he conducted more than 200 interviews. In true Trumpian fashion, the administration’s lack of experience and disdain for political norms made for a hodgepodge of journalistic challenges. Information would be provided off-the-record or on deep background, then casually put on the record. Sources would fail to set any parameters on the use of a conversation, or would provide accounts in confidence, only to subsequently share their views widely. And the president’s own views, private as well as public, were constantly shared by others. The adaptation presented here offers a front-row view of Trump’s presidency, from his improvised transition to his first months in the Oval Office.

  • This is what NY Mag posted

    HOW HE GOT THE STORY

    This story is adapted from Michael Wolff’s book Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House, to be published by Henry Holt & Co. on January 9. Wolff, who chronicles the administration from Election Day to this past October, conducted conversations and interviews over a period of 18 months with the president, most members of his senior staff, and many people to whom they in turn spoke. Shortly after Trump’s inauguration, Wolff says, he was able to take up “something like a semi-permanent seat on a couch in the West Wing” — an idea encouraged by the president himself. Because no one was in a position to either officially approve or formally deny such access, Wolff became “more a constant interloper than an invited guest.” There were no ground rules placed on his access, and he was required to make no promises about how he would report on what he witnessed.

    Since then, he conducted more than 200 interviews. In true Trumpian fashion, the administration’s lack of experience and disdain for political norms made for a hodgepodge of journalistic challenges. Information would be provided off-the-record or on deep background, then casually put on the record. Sources would fail to set any parameters on the use of a conversation, or would provide accounts in confidence, only to subsequently share their views widely. And the president’s own views, private as well as public, were constantly shared by others. The adaptation presented here offers a front-row view of Trump’s presidency, from his improvised transition to his first months in the Oval Office.

    Yup, there’s a whole lot of shizzy all on up in there. It’s as true as the sun rising in the east.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    I want to know if Janice was able to keep her dinner down?
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,758
    edited January 2018
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Yeah, I also wondered about the validity of some of the content so read into it a bit. It seems to me that Wolff is quite qualified as a direct witness in many cases, and also had access to plenty of credible sources. I also personally very much appreciate the tone he used in the book. That is the tone that makes a book interesting as opposed to tedious.
    Did you guys read the preamble about the conflicting information and the "guesses" he was forced to make because...everyone lied. 
    Well it is still a book written by a subjective human being who has interpreted information in a very chaotic environment where everyone has motive to lie. Not a textbook. I'm going to go ahead a feel comfortable with people having enough common sense and intelligence to work out what to really believe or not on their own. For those too stupid or naive to do that, well, I've got enough to worry about without concerning myself over people's inability to read critically, lol.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

    Scoop: Wolff taped interviews with Bannon, top officials

    https://www.axios.com/how-michael-wolff-did-it-2522360813.html
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,758
    edited January 2018
    What do people think about this? I'm torn, personally; maintaining security aid for Pakistan has valid pros and cons. At the moment I oppose this, but do think some of the concerns are totally legit ..... but it's refreshing to not be completely outraged and appalled by something the Trump administration did for once.

     https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-administration-suspends-security-aid-to-pakistan/2018/01/04/303145e4-f18a-11e7-b3bf-ab90a706e175_story.html?utm_term=.081ab3d87d42&wpisrc=al_news__alert-world--alert-national&wpmk=1

    Trump administration suspends most security aid to Pakistan


    Supporters of Islamic political party Jamiat Ulma-e-Islam burn a U.S. flag during an anti-U.S. protest in Quetta, Pakistan, on Jan. 4, 2018. (Taraqai/Epa-Efe/Rex/Shutterstock/Taraqai/Epa-Efe/Rex/Shutterstock)
    By Missy Ryan and Carol Morello January 4 at 4:01 PM

    The Trump administration will suspend most security assistance to Pakistan, the State Department said on Thursday, expanding its retribution over militant safe havens that U.S. officials blame for ongoing violence in Afghanistan.

    State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert, speaking to reporters, said the suspension would allow the administration, which will freeze the aid payments but not allocate the money elsewhere, to reassess in the coming year.

    Because the administration had previously said it would suspend $255 million in foreign military funding for Pakistan, the new announcement will have limited practical effect in the short term, as officials wait to see if Pakistan takes new action against militants.

    But it sends as a strong signal to an on-again, off-again counterterrorism ally. The Trump administration is seeking to take a harder line against Pakistan as it expands military operations in Afghanistan, more than 16 years after that conflict began.

    The State Department said Jan. 4 that the Trump administration will stop giving security assistance to Pakistan.

    For years, U.S. officials have complained that Pakistan has allowed the Taliban and other extremists to operate within its borders. Taliban leaders are widely believed to reside in Pakistan, helping to direct insurgent operations in neighboring Afghanistan.

    Pakistan denies those allegations and says the United States has failed to acknowledge the efforts it has taken against militant groups.

    Also on Thursday, the State Department announced it would put Pakistan on a “watch list” for countries that fail to protect religious freedom.

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,781
    What an administration no , damn not only are they trying to squash the Russian investigation but now they have to do damage control of this book lol 
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,862
    remember when they believed that Planned Parenthood was harvesting baby parts and selling them on some sort of Amazon.com marketplace?


    Yeah, Im thinking they have very willfully selective understanding.  There will be no reaching them.  Donald Trump could be on national television eating his own feces with a DNA analyst there to prove it is him... and his brainwashed cadre of imbeciles will say that he is the only one with any sense left.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    PJ_Soul said:
    What do people think about this? I'm torn, personally; maintaining security aid for Pakistan has valid pros and cons. At the moment I oppose this, but do think some of the concerns are totally legit ..... but it's refreshing to not be completely outraged and appalled by something the Trump administration did for once.

     https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-administration-suspends-security-aid-to-pakistan/2018/01/04/303145e4-f18a-11e7-b3bf-ab90a706e175_story.html?utm_term=.081ab3d87d42&wpisrc=al_news__alert-world--alert-national&wpmk=1

    Trump administration suspends most security aid to Pakistan


    Supporters of Islamic political party Jamiat Ulma-e-Islam burn a U.S. flag during an anti-U.S. protest in Quetta, Pakistan, on Jan. 4, 2018. (Taraqai/Epa-Efe/Rex/Shutterstock/Taraqai/Epa-Efe/Rex/Shutterstock)
    By Missy Ryan and Carol Morello January 4 at 4:01 PM

    The Trump administration will suspend most security assistance to Pakistan, the State Department said on Thursday, expanding its retribution over militant safe havens that U.S. officials blame for ongoing violence in Afghanistan.

    State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert, speaking to reporters, said the suspension would allow the administration, which will freeze the aid payments but not allocate the money elsewhere, to reassess in the coming year.

    Because the administration had previously said it would suspend $255 million in foreign military funding for Pakistan, the new announcement will have limited practical effect in the short term, as officials wait to see if Pakistan takes new action against militants.

    But it sends as a strong signal to an on-again, off-again counterterrorism ally. The Trump administration is seeking to take a harder line against Pakistan as it expands military operations in Afghanistan, more than 16 years after that conflict began.

    The State Department said Jan. 4 that the Trump administration will stop giving security assistance to Pakistan.

    For years, U.S. officials have complained that Pakistan has allowed the Taliban and other extremists to operate within its borders. Taliban leaders are widely believed to reside in Pakistan, helping to direct insurgent operations in neighboring Afghanistan.

    Pakistan denies those allegations and says the United States has failed to acknowledge the efforts it has taken against militant groups.

    Also on Thursday, the State Department announced it would put Pakistan on a “watch list” for countries that fail to protect religious freedom.

    Yeeeeah, I am perfectly fine with this.  Should have been done 2 seconds after we found out Osama was there.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,758
    edited January 2018
    Well, simply having a terrorist leader in a country isn't a basis for a decision like this. A lot of things have to be considered. And there are things to consider with Pakistan that perhaps justify this. On the other hand, what will this open the door to??? That's the problem. If their security measures are this bad with the funding, wtf will it be like without it? The terrorism risk could get much worse because of this. Isn't the #1 goal to decrease that risk? Also, I think their excuse about Pakistan's failure to protect religious freedom is absolute garbage.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    dignin said:

    Scoop: Wolff taped interviews with Bannon, top officials

    https://www.axios.com/how-michael-wolff-did-it-2522360813.html
    I wondered since the author uses a lot of quotes. I figured he was being irresponsible or had documentation, but nothing in between. 
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,458
    Let's suck the earth dry! Who gives a shit anyway. Why focus on renewable energy with all those untapped fossil fuels.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/climate/trump-offshore-drilling.html?referer=https://www.google.com/
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • The Juggler
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    Alternate universe. 
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