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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,746
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,857
    edited October 2017
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    No (I have absolutely no interest in firing guns. I might consider doing it at a gun range just to know what it's like if I didn't think it is pretty much the biggest waste of money I've ever heard of)

    Also a real question: What are the reasons that makes you think that's relevant?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,746
    PJ_Soul said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    No (I have absolutely no interest in firing guns. I might consider doing it at a gun range just to know what it's like if I didn't think it is pretty much the biggest waste of money I've ever heard of)

    Also a real question: What are the reasons that makes you think that's relevant?
    I'm really curious of the demographics.  Seriously.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,479
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    I have.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    I have
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,063
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    I have.
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    I have.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,025
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    Nope, never have never will.  
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    tempo_n_groove said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    No (I have absolutely no interest in firing guns. I might consider doing it at a gun range just to know what it's like if I didn't think it is pretty much the biggest waste of money I've ever heard of)

    Also a real question: What are the reasons that makes you think that's relevant?
    I'm really curious of the demographics.  Seriously.
    That question does not provide any info on demographics. 
     
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,734

    tempo_n_groove said:
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    Fired guns I want banned?  No.   Fired guns I want controlled?  Yes.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,479
    The question really is insignificant unless you know what the guns are, the reason for control/banning and the level of exposure if someone has used the weapons they are referencing. I'm not sure what you are hoping to glean from your question. Were you under the impression that most of us would have no experience with guns and be misinformed or unfamiliar with how they function?

    Just for clarification, I am specifically referencing semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15, M4, M-16 and the like. No reason a citizen needs one of those. I have fired hundreds, if not thousands of rounds, from these types of guns, but it's now been 10 years since I last shot anything. The only reason I did that much shooting to begin with is because my line of work at the time required it. I think all those types of guns should be strictly limited to police and military usage. That's where I'd like to start. I think there are other guns (long and hand) that should be added to the list. As much as I wish guns didn't exist, they do and I don't advocate for the banning of all guns in any way.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,734
    edited October 2017
    tbergs said:
    The question really is insignificant unless you know what the guns are, the reason for control/banning and the level of exposure if someone has used the weapons they are referencing. I'm not sure what you are hoping to glean from your question. Were you under the impression that most of us would have no experience with guns and be misinformed or unfamiliar with how they function?

    Just for clarification, I am specifically referencing semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15, M4, M-16 and the like. No reason a citizen needs one of those. I have fired hundreds, if not thousands of rounds, from these types of guns, but it's now been 10 years since I last shot anything. The only reason I did that much shooting to begin with is because my line of work at the time required it. I think all those types of guns should be strictly limited to police and military usage. That's where I'd like to start. I think there are other guns (long and hand) that should be added to the list. As much as I wish guns didn't exist, they do and I don't advocate for the banning of all guns in any way.
    I agree that it can be a false assumption to presume someone who is for banning certain guns is uneducated about fire arms.  For example, most people I know would be surprised if I told them I have fired a .38 caliber Police Special loaded with 158 grain full metal jacket, hollow point cartridges. It helps to know what you are talking about.  And I'm not for complete gun control but that firearm is small, easily concealed and extremely dangerous.  I believe there is every good reason for ridged screening of anyone wanting to purchase such a weapon and frankly, there is little or no reason for most people to have one. 

    Edit:  I should also mention that I have not fired a gun- not even once- since around 1992.
    Post edited by brianlux on
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,746
    tbergs said:
    The question really is insignificant unless you know what the guns are, the reason for control/banning and the level of exposure if someone has used the weapons they are referencing. I'm not sure what you are hoping to glean from your question. Were you under the impression that most of us would have no experience with guns and be misinformed or unfamiliar with how they function?

    Just for clarification, I am specifically referencing semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15, M4, M-16 and the like. No reason a citizen needs one of those. I have fired hundreds, if not thousands of rounds, from these types of guns, but it's now been 10 years since I last shot anything. The only reason I did that much shooting to begin with is because my line of work at the time required it. I think all those types of guns should be strictly limited to police and military usage. That's where I'd like to start. I think there are other guns (long and hand) that should be added to the list. As much as I wish guns didn't exist, they do and I don't advocate for the banning of all guns in any way.
    I was really curious as to how many US people want them controlled vs other countries.

    Something else I was curious about was to how many people have used them.  


  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited October 2017
    brianlux said:
    tbergs said:
    The question really is insignificant unless you know what the guns are, the reason for control/banning and the level of exposure if someone has used the weapons they are referencing. I'm not sure what you are hoping to glean from your question. Were you under the impression that most of us would have no experience with guns and be misinformed or unfamiliar with how they function?

    Just for clarification, I am specifically referencing semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15, M4, M-16 and the like. No reason a citizen needs one of those. I have fired hundreds, if not thousands of rounds, from these types of guns, but it's now been 10 years since I last shot anything. The only reason I did that much shooting to begin with is because my line of work at the time required it. I think all those types of guns should be strictly limited to police and military usage. That's where I'd like to start. I think there are other guns (long and hand) that should be added to the list. As much as I wish guns didn't exist, they do and I don't advocate for the banning of all guns in any way.
    I agree that it can be a false assumption to presume someone who is for banning certain guns is uneducated about fire arms.  For example, most people I know would be surprised if I told them I have fired a .38 caliber Police Special loaded with 158 grain full metal jacket, hollow point cartridges. It helps to know what you are talking about.  And I'm not for complete gun control but that firearm is small, easily concealed and extremely dangerous.  I believe there is every good reason for ridged screening of anyone wanting to purchase such a weapon and frankly, there is little or no reason for most people to have one. 

    Edit:  I should also mention that I have not fired a gun- not even once- since around 1992.
    Interestingly enough, the Clinton era gun control laws regarding magazine sizes for pistols resulted in a who new breed of “micro” pistols being created that could easily fit into a pocket.  
    Frankly, I do not see a ban on ar-15s happening.  For one thing, they are like legos and are easily made by anyone with even the most basic engineering skills.  Prior attempts to ban parts from being sold online have resulted in instructions and parts that skirt the laws to make it even easier for a person to make one at home.  Unless a military type takeover happened with armed troops going door to door, they are here to stay.  I can support laws that are strict on background checks or requiring training for purchasers, but banning firearms or components is not the way to go in my opinion...I just think that, at this point, most mentioned regulations regarding ar-15s or similar firearms is legally (or politically) untenable.  How are you going to get that type of gun control when politicians that support it are not elected strictly because of that stance?  Seems like a waste of time and energy focusing on unobtainable regulations.  
    Guns have changed a lot since 1992.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    brianlux said:
    tbergs said:
    The question really is insignificant unless you know what the guns are, the reason for control/banning and the level of exposure if someone has used the weapons they are referencing. I'm not sure what you are hoping to glean from your question. Were you under the impression that most of us would have no experience with guns and be misinformed or unfamiliar with how they function?

    Just for clarification, I am specifically referencing semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15, M4, M-16 and the like. No reason a citizen needs one of those. I have fired hundreds, if not thousands of rounds, from these types of guns, but it's now been 10 years since I last shot anything. The only reason I did that much shooting to begin with is because my line of work at the time required it. I think all those types of guns should be strictly limited to police and military usage. That's where I'd like to start. I think there are other guns (long and hand) that should be added to the list. As much as I wish guns didn't exist, they do and I don't advocate for the banning of all guns in any way.
    I agree that it can be a false assumption to presume someone who is for banning certain guns is uneducated about fire arms.  For example, most people I know would be surprised if I told them I have fired a .38 caliber Police Special loaded with 158 grain full metal jacket, hollow point cartridges. It helps to know what you are talking about.  And I'm not for complete gun control but that firearm is small, easily concealed and extremely dangerous.  I believe there is every good reason for ridged screening of anyone wanting to purchase such a weapon and frankly, there is little or no reason for most people to have one. 

    Edit:  I should also mention that I have not fired a gun- not even once- since around 1992.

    Hmmm.

    Interesting.

    You haven't fired a gun since 1992. And that just happens to be right around the time Viagra hit the market.

    No need to fire off a few rounds anymore eh?

    If we make Viagra cheaper than bullets... will you guys then agree to no more machine guns?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Paddocks hard drive is missing
    Paddocks brother busted for having "cheese pizza" on his computer
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,857
    I am just not sure how having used guns is relevant to the issue of gun control. Do some people think that handling these guns somehow changes the statistics in their own brains? I could go out and take full on firearm training courses with several different kinds of weapons, and the still be able to look at all the gun ownership/gun violence and death stats, and consider the American gun culture overall, and reach the same conclusions I had already come to before ever handling a gun.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,734
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    brianlux said:
    tbergs said:
    The question really is insignificant unless you know what the guns are, the reason for control/banning and the level of exposure if someone has used the weapons they are referencing. I'm not sure what you are hoping to glean from your question. Were you under the impression that most of us would have no experience with guns and be misinformed or unfamiliar with how they function?

    Just for clarification, I am specifically referencing semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15, M4, M-16 and the like. No reason a citizen needs one of those. I have fired hundreds, if not thousands of rounds, from these types of guns, but it's now been 10 years since I last shot anything. The only reason I did that much shooting to begin with is because my line of work at the time required it. I think all those types of guns should be strictly limited to police and military usage. That's where I'd like to start. I think there are other guns (long and hand) that should be added to the list. As much as I wish guns didn't exist, they do and I don't advocate for the banning of all guns in any way.
    I agree that it can be a false assumption to presume someone who is for banning certain guns is uneducated about fire arms.  For example, most people I know would be surprised if I told them I have fired a .38 caliber Police Special loaded with 158 grain full metal jacket, hollow point cartridges. It helps to know what you are talking about.  And I'm not for complete gun control but that firearm is small, easily concealed and extremely dangerous.  I believe there is every good reason for ridged screening of anyone wanting to purchase such a weapon and frankly, there is little or no reason for most people to have one. 

    Edit:  I should also mention that I have not fired a gun- not even once- since around 1992.

    Hmmm.

    Interesting.

    You haven't fired a gun since 1992. And that just happens to be right around the time Viagra hit the market.

    No need to fire off a few rounds anymore eh?

    If we make Viagra cheaper than bullets... will you guys then agree to no more machine guns?
    What the... :rofl:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,734
    PJ_Soul said:
    I am just not sure how having used guns is relevant to the issue of gun control. Do some people think that handling these guns somehow changes the statistics in their own brains? I could go out and take full on firearm training courses with several different kinds of weapons, and the still be able to look at all the gun ownership/gun violence and death stats, and consider the American gun culture overall, and reach the same conclusions I had already come to before ever handling a gun.
    I don't think it's relevant other than to illustrate that someone can change their thinking about such an issue.  I've never been a hug gun enthusiast but I'm far more concerned about the abuse, misuse, dangers of guns in America than I was 30 years ago.  There are more careless/dangerous/stupid/irresponsible people now than there were then.   The increased fascination with and acts of violence in America are clear evidence of that.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,857
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I am just not sure how having used guns is relevant to the issue of gun control. Do some people think that handling these guns somehow changes the statistics in their own brains? I could go out and take full on firearm training courses with several different kinds of weapons, and the still be able to look at all the gun ownership/gun violence and death stats, and consider the American gun culture overall, and reach the same conclusions I had already come to before ever handling a gun.
    I don't think it's relevant other than to illustrate that someone can change their thinking about such an issue.  I've never been a hug gun enthusiast but I'm far more concerned about the abuse, misuse, dangers of guns in America than I was 30 years ago.  There are more careless/dangerous/stupid/irresponsible people now than there were then.   The increased fascination with and acts of violence in America are clear evidence of that.
    But that's what I don't get. Why would someone change their thinking about the issue just because they handled a gun? That doesn't change any of the facts.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

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