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I think the conservative uproar is bullshit and being used inappropriately based on their support of the sexual predator in the White House, but that has nothing to do with whether the liberal crowd who associated with Weinstein should denounce him as quickly as possible because how many times has Trump or his Republican cohorts been mocked or called out for not immediately denouncing the KKK, non-foreign related terror attacks and the like. People on this board throw a fit when nothing is said for days by a conservative, but defend non commentary from public figures (i.e. Obama and Hillary) who clearly hobnobbed with the guy. Just say something and be done with it. How many other things are they willing to comment on immediately when the president doesn't? It's mostly political BS.HughFreakingDillon said:both HC and Obama have made statements denouncing him. is that good enough? or should they give all the money back too?
Why does everyone think all of these people (Hollywood, recipients of political dollars, etc) knew what he was doing? You are all presenting this as if it was common knowledge, even among the general public. i call bullshit on that. Until now, no one fucking accused the guy of anything publicly or officially, so why would anyone have any reason to believe he did anything? it would have all been rumours and nothing more.
Sure, yeah, NOW everyone knows he's a predator, especially with that audio tape (although I haven't listened to it), but hindsight is 20/20, folks.
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I agree with this.tbergs said:
I think the conservative uproar is bullshit and being used inappropriately based on their support of the sexual predator in the White House, but that has nothing to do with whether the liberal crowd who associated with Weinstein should denounce him as quickly as possible because how many times has Trump or his Republican cohorts been mocked or called out for not immediately denouncing the KKK, non-foreign related terror attacks and the like. People on this board throw a fit when nothing is said for days by a conservative, but defend non commentary from public figures (i.e. Obama and Hillary) who clearly hobnobbed with the guy. Just say something and be done with it. How many other things are they willing to comment on immediately when the president doesn't? It's mostly political BS.HughFreakingDillon said:both HC and Obama have made statements denouncing him. is that good enough? or should they give all the money back too?
Why does everyone think all of these people (Hollywood, recipients of political dollars, etc) knew what he was doing? You are all presenting this as if it was common knowledge, even among the general public. i call bullshit on that. Until now, no one fucking accused the guy of anything publicly or officially, so why would anyone have any reason to believe he did anything? it would have all been rumours and nothing more.
Sure, yeah, NOW everyone knows he's a predator, especially with that audio tape (although I haven't listened to it), but hindsight is 20/20, folks.hippiemom = goodness0 -
I think it makes perfect sense, in this situation where it's allegations and not video of actions (like white supremacist rallies), to wait a bit to get some information before commenting or releasing a statement. there is so much misinformation out there. Remember how Tom Petty died 3 or 4 times before he actually died? reported by very reputable news sources?tbergs said:
I think the conservative uproar is bullshit and being used inappropriately based on their support of the sexual predator in the White House, but that has nothing to do with whether the liberal crowd who associated with Weinstein should denounce him as quickly as possible because how many times has Trump or his Republican cohorts been mocked or called out for not immediately denouncing the KKK, non-foreign related terror attacks and the like. People on this board throw a fit when nothing is said for days by a conservative, but defend non commentary from public figures (i.e. Obama and Hillary) who clearly hobnobbed with the guy. Just say something and be done with it. How many other things are they willing to comment on immediately when the president doesn't? It's mostly political BS.HughFreakingDillon said:both HC and Obama have made statements denouncing him. is that good enough? or should they give all the money back too?
Why does everyone think all of these people (Hollywood, recipients of political dollars, etc) knew what he was doing? You are all presenting this as if it was common knowledge, even among the general public. i call bullshit on that. Until now, no one fucking accused the guy of anything publicly or officially, so why would anyone have any reason to believe he did anything? it would have all been rumours and nothing more.
Sure, yeah, NOW everyone knows he's a predator, especially with that audio tape (although I haven't listened to it), but hindsight is 20/20, folks.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
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How about from Ahhhhhnold after he knocked up his house keeper while married?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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And Hastert? Any money get returned from that guy?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Giving back the money won't do a single thing to prevent sexual assault or change the culture in Hollywood.
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and really, how many other criminals, sexual or otherwise, have politicians from all sides accepted money from? you don't get to that level and keep your hands clean.JimmyV said:Giving back the money won't do a single thing to prevent sexual assault or change the culture in Hollywood.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Agreed.HughFreakingDillon said:
and really, how many other criminals, sexual or otherwise, have politicians from all sides accepted money from? you don't get to that level and keep your hands clean.JimmyV said:Giving back the money won't do a single thing to prevent sexual assault or change the culture in Hollywood.
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Who's asking that they return the money? Is this coming from Hannity or something? It's said and done on all sides. They know that's part of being in the business of politics. You are taking money from the scum along with the wholesome family. Raising republican examples is just a deflection from this situation. I don't think any of us here believe either party has clean hands in this.Halifax2TheMax said:Did all the republicans give back all the money donated by Roger Ailes and O'Reilly? Anyone?It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Worse is, it seems that most from Hollywood that make a statement seem to be saying "I know this happens but I never saw it". Hollywood has a big hidden problem that they pretend doesn't exist. And this is just bringing that out to the front page.
I don;t blame Hillary or Obama for taking his $ if they knew nothing. I don't even care about them making a statement. But I can;t stand people all up in arms about others not making statements to denounce this and that and then they are ok with people remaining silent on this for a very long time. I just like consistency.
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And don't forget Newt the Beaut
All elected republicans versus the head of a Hollywood movie studio. Not quite apples to apples. Sexual assault is abhorrent regardless of political party or job held. But spare me the comparison.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Newsflash!
DAs let money influence their decisions...Cyrus Vance Jr
http://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2017/10/this-prosecutor-may-have-helped-the-trump-siblings-and-harvey-weinstein-avoid-charges/
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^^^^ There have been a number of stories about Vance this past week; sounds like he needs to go.
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JimmyV said:HughFreakingDillon said:both HC and Obama have made statements denouncing him. is that good enough? or should they give all the money back too?
Why does everyone think all of these people (Hollywood, recipients of political dollars, etc) knew what he was doing? You are all presenting this as if it was common knowledge, even among the general public. i call bullshit on that. Until now, no one fucking accused the guy of anything publicly or officially, so why would anyone have any reason to believe he did anything? it would have all been rumours and nothing more.
Sure, yeah, NOW everyone knows he's a predator, especially with that audio tape (although I haven't listened to it), but hindsight is 20/20, folks.
None of us can say for sure who knew and who didn't. I certainly can't. But...I do tend to believe that it was an open secret. That many people either knew, suspected, or went out of their way not to know.
As I said yesterday, Obama allowing his teenage daughter to intern with Weinstein is a pretty clear indicator that he at least did not know.
Well, I have heard the rumors for years, same as with Cosby; I've been hearing them since "Shakespeare in Love." And some people, such as Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, are being called out for their protestations of ignorance. Was Obama aware of the rumors? Most likely not; I think his career kept him busy for many years while I was waiting in doctor's offices and at lessons and practices and rehearsals, reading People magazine or surfing the internet. :-( But the idea that any major player in Hollywood was oblivious to what was happening? I find that really, really hard to believe. We see the same pattern of behavior so oftten, be it with Bill Cosby, Fox News, Penn State. Many people know, many people feel they have something to lose if word leaks out, so many people protect and enable. It's disgusting.
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Looks like Affleck is now getting called out for his history of groping too. I’m thinking there are going to be a lot of names dragged through the mud in the upcoming days. Hollywood culture has always been a sicko culture, not sure why anyone is surprised by these “revelations”.curmudgeoness said:JimmyV said:HughFreakingDillon said:both HC and Obama have made statements denouncing him. is that good enough? or should they give all the money back too?
Why does everyone think all of these people (Hollywood, recipients of political dollars, etc) knew what he was doing? You are all presenting this as if it was common knowledge, even among the general public. i call bullshit on that. Until now, no one fucking accused the guy of anything publicly or officially, so why would anyone have any reason to believe he did anything? it would have all been rumours and nothing more.
Sure, yeah, NOW everyone knows he's a predator, especially with that audio tape (although I haven't listened to it), but hindsight is 20/20, folks.
None of us can say for sure who knew and who didn't. I certainly can't. But...I do tend to believe that it was an open secret. That many people either knew, suspected, or went out of their way not to know.
As I said yesterday, Obama allowing his teenage daughter to intern with Weinstein is a pretty clear indicator that he at least did not know.
Well, I have heard the rumors for years, same as with Cosby; I've been hearing them since "Shakespeare in Love." And some people, such as Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, are being called out for their protestations of ignorance. Was Obama aware of the rumors? Most likely not; I think his career kept him busy for many years while I was waiting in doctor's offices and at lessons and practices and rehearsals, reading People magazine or surfing the internet. :-( But the idea that any major player in Hollywood was oblivious to what was happening? I find that really, really hard to believe. We see the same pattern of behavior so oftten, be it with Bill Cosby, Fox News, Penn State. Many people know, many people feel they have something to lose if word leaks out, so many people protect and enable. It's disgusting.
Props to Brad Pitt for this:
http://vt.co/entertainment/celebrity/brad-pitt-threatened-beat-harvey-weinstein-allegedly-harassed-gwyneth-paltrow/?utm_source=vt&utm_medium=junglecreations&utm_campaign=post
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Where is Meryl Streep to save him? Bye Affleck.
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainment/entertainmentmovies/rose-mcgowan-isn’t-buying-ben-affleck’s-harvey-weinstein-statement—and-neither-are-we/ar-AAtiCuv?li=AAjnRI7&ocid=spartandhp
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Reposting because I stand by this, but not in the context of @mrussel1's post above onto which it was inadvertently attached:"Arguing that the Red Team's sexual assault is worse than the Blue Team's sexual assault continues to look, sound, and smell like a deflection."
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But saying they are teams on the same field is my issue (and where my youtube friend got it wrong). The sexual assaults themselves sound pretty similar. A president who millions voted for and continue to support in the most powerful position in the country is different than a movie producer. I don't think liberals would be voting for Weinstein for president any time soon. I'm left wondering which conservative actor will threaten trump with a beat down?JimmyV said:Reposting because I stand by this, but not in the context of @mrussel1's post above onto which it was inadvertently attached:"Arguing that the Red Team's sexual assault is worse than the Blue Team's sexual assault continues to look, sound, and smell like a deflection."0 -
These assaults were so common to Weinstein that he couldn't even remember who he had assaulted.
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