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cincybearcat said:Go Beavers said:cincybearcat said:Only on AMT can people argue in a thread about an obvious sexual predator...taking the same sides they normally do. If this was a trump donor most of you would be losing your shit.
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Trump is scum, but we also have multiple active Trump threads. Weinstein has been accused of rape, so I'm not sure what is gained by arguing Trump has done worse. Worse than rape? That feels like a deflection. "Yeah, but, Trump..."
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JimmyV said:Trump is scum, but we also have multiple active Trump threads. Weinstein has been accused of rape, so I'm not sure what is gained by arguing Trump has done worse. Worse than rape? That feels like a deflection. "Yeah, but, Trump..."
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Go Beavers said:cincybearcat said:Go Beavers said:cincybearcat said:Only on AMT can people argue in a thread about an obvious sexual predator...taking the same sides they normally do. If this was a trump donor most of you would be losing your shit.
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Go Beavers said:JimmyV said:Trump is scum, but we also have multiple active Trump threads. Weinstein has been accused of rape, so I'm not sure what is gained by arguing Trump has done worse. Worse than rape? That feels like a deflection. "Yeah, but, Trump..."
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Go Beavers said:JimmyV said:Trump is scum, but we also have multiple active Trump threads. Weinstein has been accused of rape, so I'm not sure what is gained by arguing Trump has done worse. Worse than rape? That feels like a deflection. "Yeah, but, Trump..."
Weinstein has been insulated and protected for years. He's left countless victims in his wake. All the while he has been shoveling cash to Democratic politicians. I think liberals would do well to own that there is some hypocrisy here. That Republicans have pounced on this issue doesn't change that. Continuing to point fingers at Trump does feel like a deflection.
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curmudgeoness said:Um, so, back to sexual predators, instead of politics? Because, again, this is about power, not politics. Some things are always wrong, regardless of one's political affiliation. Rape? Always wrong. Torture? Always wrong. Always. There are no exceptions for "S/he's on my team, so it's okay!"
I don't know where people are getting the idea that Dems are silent on the topic or that "If this was a T**** donor most of you would be losing your shit." I'm a socially liberal libertarian, and I lose my shit when anyone's rights are violated. Period.
1) Silent Dems?? I've been following Chris Hayes on Twitter, and Weinstein has been the dominant story for the last few days. Slate has a bunch of stories about it. My husband came home from the gym the other day, actually rattled by the number of enraged women he saw on television (hint: he wasn't watching Fox News).
2) "If this was a T**** donor..." Wait. How about, "If this was T****..." -- because it IS T****. He IS a sexual predator, never mind what his donors are doing, he himself is a known, admitted, sexual predator. So I'm really not sure what your point is.
There's also a story today about how Terry Crews was assaulted by a top Hollywood executive last year -- in front of his wife, no less. Sexual assault is about power. Predators are protected because people are scared and/or because they value money more than the rights of the victims. Could we maybe have a discussion about straightening out those skewed values? How about a discussion of what we teach our children? I have two sons, and we made sure both of them knew about consent and appropriate behavior, and that they need to intervene if at all possible if they see someone who is in danger. My younger son just started college, and he is disturbed by the predatory behavior he is seeing in some of his peers. I think there is an important discussion to be had here,jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
cincybearcat said:Go Beavers said:cincybearcat said:Go Beavers said:cincybearcat said:Only on AMT can people argue in a thread about an obvious sexual predator...taking the same sides they normally do. If this was a trump donor most of you would be losing your shit.
If people want to call the others out that cozied up to Weinstein when they had knowledge of him being a sex offender, then that's fine. But sorry, it doesn't fit under the label of liberal hypocrisy.
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Conor Friedersdorf presents two markedly different conservative takes on the story; this piece is well worth reading (of course, I think his articles always are well worth reading).
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/one-harvey-weinstein-in-hollywood-another-in-the-white-house/542427/
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Weinstein leaving for Europe for sex addiction therapy. From there probably going to a country with no extradition agreement with the USA.0
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Miramax and Weinstein Company basically allowed a rapist and abuser to roam free for 30 years. I hope some attorneys take those companies down along with any executives that knew.0
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curmudgeoness said:Conor Friedersdorf presents two markedly different conservative takes on the story; this piece is well worth reading (of course, I think his articles always are well worth reading).
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/one-harvey-weinstein-in-hollywood-another-in-the-white-house/542427/
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curmudgeoness said:Um, so, back to sexual predators, instead of politics? Because, again, this is about power, not politics. Some things are always wrong, regardless of one's political affiliation. Rape? Always wrong. Torture? Always wrong. Always. There are no exceptions for "S/he's on my team, so it's okay!"
I don't know where people are getting the idea that Dems are silent on the topic or that "If this was a T**** donor most of you would be losing your shit." I'm a socially liberal libertarian, and I lose my shit when anyone's rights are violated. Period.
1) Silent Dems?? I've been following Chris Hayes on Twitter, and Weinstein has been the dominant story for the last few days. Slate has a bunch of stories about it. My husband came home from the gym the other day, actually rattled by the number of enraged women he saw on television (hint: he wasn't watching Fox News).
2) "If this was a T**** donor..." Wait. How about, "If this was T****..." -- because it IS T****. He IS a sexual predator, never mind what his donors are doing, he himself is a known, admitted, sexual predator. So I'm really not sure what your point is.
There's also a story today about how Terry Crews was assaulted by a top Hollywood executive last year -- in front of his wife, no less. Sexual assault is about power. Predators are protected because people are scared and/or because they value money more than the rights of the victims. Could we maybe have a discussion about straightening out those skewed values? How about a discussion of what we teach our children? I have two sons, and we made sure both of them knew about consent and appropriate behavior, and that they need to intervene if at all possible if they see someone who is in danger. My younger son just started college, and he is disturbed by the predatory behavior he is seeing in some of his peers. I think there is an important discussion to be had here,0 -
both HC and Obama have made statements denouncing him. is that good enough? or should they give all the money back too?
Why does everyone think all of these people (Hollywood, recipients of political dollars, etc) knew what he was doing? You are all presenting this as if it was common knowledge, even among the general public. i call bullshit on that. Until now, no one fucking accused the guy of anything publicly or officially, so why would anyone have any reason to believe he did anything? it would have all been rumours and nothing more.
Sure, yeah, NOW everyone knows he's a predator, especially with that audio tape (although I haven't listened to it), but hindsight is 20/20, folks.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:both HC and Obama have made statements denouncing him. is that good enough? or should they give all the money back too?
Why does everyone think all of these people (Hollywood, recipients of political dollars, etc) knew what he was doing? You are all presenting this as if it was common knowledge, even among the general public. i call bullshit on that. Until now, no one fucking accused the guy of anything publicly or officially, so why would anyone have any reason to believe he did anything? it would have all been rumours and nothing more.
Sure, yeah, NOW everyone knows he's a predator, especially with that audio tape (although I haven't listened to it), but hindsight is 20/20, folks.
None of us can say for sure who knew and who didn't. I certainly can't. But...I do tend to believe that it was an open secret. That many people either knew, suspected, or went out of their way not to know.
As I said yesterday, Obama allowing his teenage daughter to intern with Weinstein is a pretty clear indicator that he at least did not know.
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JimmyV said:HughFreakingDillon said:both HC and Obama have made statements denouncing him. is that good enough? or should they give all the money back too?
Why does everyone think all of these people (Hollywood, recipients of political dollars, etc) knew what he was doing? You are all presenting this as if it was common knowledge, even among the general public. i call bullshit on that. Until now, no one fucking accused the guy of anything publicly or officially, so why would anyone have any reason to believe he did anything? it would have all been rumours and nothing more.
Sure, yeah, NOW everyone knows he's a predator, especially with that audio tape (although I haven't listened to it), but hindsight is 20/20, folks.
None of us can say for sure who knew and who didn't. I certainly can't. But...I do tend to believe that it was an open secret. That many people either knew, suspected, or went out of their way not to know.
As I said yesterday, Obama allowing his teenage daughter to intern with Weinstein is a pretty clear indicator that he at least did not know.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Harvey Weinstein joke at the 2013 Academy Awards:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SzNoT3Zcw2A&t=3m24s&feature=youtu.be
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JimmyV said:HughFreakingDillon said:both HC and Obama have made statements denouncing him. is that good enough? or should they give all the money back too?
Why does everyone think all of these people (Hollywood, recipients of political dollars, etc) knew what he was doing? You are all presenting this as if it was common knowledge, even among the general public. i call bullshit on that. Until now, no one fucking accused the guy of anything publicly or officially, so why would anyone have any reason to believe he did anything? it would have all been rumours and nothing more.
Sure, yeah, NOW everyone knows he's a predator, especially with that audio tape (although I haven't listened to it), but hindsight is 20/20, folks.
None of us can say for sure who knew and who didn't. I certainly can't. But...I do tend to believe that it was an open secret. That many people either knew, suspected, or went out of their way not to know.
As I said yesterday, Obama allowing his teenage daughter to intern with Weinstein is a pretty clear indicator that he at least did not know.0 -
PJPOWER said:JimmyV said:HughFreakingDillon said:both HC and Obama have made statements denouncing him. is that good enough? or should they give all the money back too?
Why does everyone think all of these people (Hollywood, recipients of political dollars, etc) knew what he was doing? You are all presenting this as if it was common knowledge, even among the general public. i call bullshit on that. Until now, no one fucking accused the guy of anything publicly or officially, so why would anyone have any reason to believe he did anything? it would have all been rumours and nothing more.
Sure, yeah, NOW everyone knows he's a predator, especially with that audio tape (although I haven't listened to it), but hindsight is 20/20, folks.
None of us can say for sure who knew and who didn't. I certainly can't. But...I do tend to believe that it was an open secret. That many people either knew, suspected, or went out of their way not to know.
As I said yesterday, Obama allowing his teenage daughter to intern with Weinstein is a pretty clear indicator that he at least did not know.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:both HC and Obama have made statements denouncing him. is that good enough? or should they give all the money back too?
Why does everyone think all of these people (Hollywood, recipients of political dollars, etc) knew what he was doing? You are all presenting this as if it was common knowledge, even among the general public. i call bullshit on that. Until now, no one fucking accused the guy of anything publicly or officially, so why would anyone have any reason to believe he did anything? it would have all been rumours and nothing more.
Sure, yeah, NOW everyone knows he's a predator, especially with that audio tape (although I haven't listened to it), but hindsight is 20/20, folks.
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tbergs said:HughFreakingDillon said:both HC and Obama have made statements denouncing him. is that good enough? or should they give all the money back too?
Why does everyone think all of these people (Hollywood, recipients of political dollars, etc) knew what he was doing? You are all presenting this as if it was common knowledge, even among the general public. i call bullshit on that. Until now, no one fucking accused the guy of anything publicly or officially, so why would anyone have any reason to believe he did anything? it would have all been rumours and nothing more.
Sure, yeah, NOW everyone knows he's a predator, especially with that audio tape (although I haven't listened to it), but hindsight is 20/20, folks.hippiemom = goodness0 -
tbergs said:HughFreakingDillon said:both HC and Obama have made statements denouncing him. is that good enough? or should they give all the money back too?
Why does everyone think all of these people (Hollywood, recipients of political dollars, etc) knew what he was doing? You are all presenting this as if it was common knowledge, even among the general public. i call bullshit on that. Until now, no one fucking accused the guy of anything publicly or officially, so why would anyone have any reason to believe he did anything? it would have all been rumours and nothing more.
Sure, yeah, NOW everyone knows he's a predator, especially with that audio tape (although I haven't listened to it), but hindsight is 20/20, folks.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
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Giving back the money won't do a single thing to prevent sexual assault or change the culture in Hollywood.
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JimmyV said:Giving back the money won't do a single thing to prevent sexual assault or change the culture in Hollywood.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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HughFreakingDillon said:JimmyV said:Giving back the money won't do a single thing to prevent sexual assault or change the culture in Hollywood.
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Halifax2TheMax said:Did all the republicans give back all the money donated by Roger Ailes and O'Reilly? Anyone?It's a hopeless situation...0
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