America's Gun Violence

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    mcgruff10 said:
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    mcgruff10 said:
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    tbergs said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    There have been some incongruent and silly parallels presented which have managed to draw the ire of gun opponents. But to be fair... there have been some comments from gun opponents which have been inflammatory as well. 

    In my mind, asking for people to concede hunting rights and sometimes shaming them for shooting their protein versus buying it in a store where someone else has killed it for them is not cool. I've stated it before, but I respect responsible hunting even though I don't do it myself.

    A hunter that kills his animal and utilizes most if not all the entire carcass is to be respected far more than the slob who... oh... say... orders 20 hot wings at the local pub- where the bones are so soft from being raised in cages you don't even know if you bit one or not (not to mention comes home to his deep freeze where boxes of frozen, factory farmed meat from Costco are ready to be consumed). 

    There's a middle way, people. This issue can't be 'all or nothing'. 
    To be fair, equating guns to knives is what really sidetracked this thread. I have no problem with someone who hunts their own food, but denying that a gun is made to kill is as ludicrous as claiming you should be able to own as many as you want because it's your right. There is no middle ground there, just as there is none for those who say guns are only made to kill people. Both views are way off.
    And this is fair.
    Del, You are the fairest of them all!

    Okay... before I say anything at all... does my sarcasm meter need to be turned up here?
    No not at all.  Although I am still disappointed in you for not picking up my sarcasm before. 


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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Bentleyspop said:
    Here's  the best solution to the 2nd amendment  and gun control debate.......

    Someone tell Herr drumpf, his advisers,  and supporters that President Obama was responsible for the 2nd amendment and was against gun control and national gun registry.

    He would move so fast to get rid of the 2nd amendment and institute widespread gun control and national  registry that you would think someone's life depended on it. And his base would totally support him on it.

    Lol

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  • lastexitlondon
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    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Jesus lads, the level of debate went seriously downhill here today. The facetious attempts to compare the threat of knives to that of guns is nothing short of ridiculous. Also, can I just point out that 8 of my brothers and their families live in England and have never mentioned any issue or fear of knife violence 
    Which part of England ? Because i live north london and 14 year olds knife eachother over nothing and its on the news most days . Schools have metal detectors inner london in some places. I have a son of 18 who tells me often of someone he knows been stabbed, people he knows in prison for stabbing and mothers on tv begging the knife culture to end because they lost their child to a needless knife crime. So its very real
    I also understand it doesn't necessarily have much to do with gun law. I was just stating we have fear here but don't arm ourselves to protect our children because its illegal. So if someone stabs my child i can protect them by shooting a kid?


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  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    lastexitlondon said:
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Jesus lads, the level of debate went seriously downhill here today. The facetious attempts to compare the threat of knives to that of guns is nothing short of ridiculous. Also, can I just point out that 8 of my brothers and their families live in England and have never mentioned any issue or fear of knife violence 
    Which part of England ? Because i live north london and 14 year olds knife eachother over nothing and its on the news most days . Schools have metal detectors inner london in some places. I have a son of 18 who tells me often of someone he knows been stabbed, people he knows in prison for stabbing and mothers on tv begging the knife culture to end because they lost their child to a needless knife crime. So its very real
    I also understand it doesn't necessarily have much to do with gun law. I was just stating we have fear here but don't arm ourselves to protect our children because its illegal. So if someone stabs my child i can protect them by shooting a kid?
    Oh I know some people took your point, willfully misunderstood it and ran in a different, nonsensical direction. I get that knife crime may be an issue in certain parts of cities, I think all big cities are known for having their more iffy parts (like north inner city Dublin), my point was that knife crime is not a widespread national concern in England as gun deaths are in America. (5 of my brothers are in London, 1 in Norfolk, 1 in Todmorden near Manchester and 1 somewhere I can't remember)
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    edited October 2017
    I guess london and Manchester will have problems. Definitely not norfolk thats full of 60 year olds.hahah joking but lots of elderly. I guess my point is if we could get guns here then it would be the same . But one nutter with a knife could maybe take out 3 or 4 people before being grappled. But a nutter with a gun can take out many before anyone can do anything. So guns being available definitely make a massacre so much more likely and available .
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    I just asked my partner if she thought knife crime here was a  widespread national concern out of interest. She said yes definitely . We live in a town outside north london. Murders from knives have happened in this small town even. If the guns were as accessible as knives are i can't imagine the carnage .  U.s.a must be the only country with these kind of gun laws? I mean i don't know for sure . I don't understand how the pro gun people can argue the case for guns being so readily available seeing how many people misuse them.  Just my view though.


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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    lastexitlondon said:
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Jesus lads, the level of debate went seriously downhill here today. The facetious attempts to compare the threat of knives to that of guns is nothing short of ridiculous. Also, can I just point out that 8 of my brothers and their families live in England and have never mentioned any issue or fear of knife violence 
    Which part of England ? Because i live north london and 14 year olds knife eachother over nothing and its on the news most days . Schools have metal detectors inner london in some places. I have a son of 18 who tells me often of someone he knows been stabbed, people he knows in prison for stabbing and mothers on tv begging the knife culture to end because they lost their child to a needless knife crime. So its very real
    I also understand it doesn't necessarily have much to do with gun law. I was just stating we have fear here but don't arm ourselves to protect our children because its illegal. So if someone stabs my child i can protect them by shooting a kid?
    Bringing a gun to a knife fight is totally acceptable in the US.  In some states it is encouraged. 
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    Hahah wow. Sounds like a great place


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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,072
    mcgruff10 said:
    tbergs said:
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    lastexitlondon said:
    Yeah. But kids here are carrying knives at ridiculously young ages truly worried about my teenage kids going anywhere its so common now.
    You guys should probably consider banning knives now...for the greater good.
    Funny. Real funny. When they make a fully auto knife shooter then maybe it would make sense.
    So only full auto knife shooters should be illegal?  What about those scary looking machetes?  Why do people outside of the jungle need them?  What about a bowie knife?  If you aren't in beer country why do you need one?
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    Yes Germany


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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    tempo_n_groove said:
    rgambs said:
    You guys are fucking idiots if you think making light of this issue is ok when there are still bodies waiting to be buried.
    It's all a big joke to you, hehe haha hoho, I shoot my bang bang hehe.

    Grow up and get a fucking life.
    Positive post right here.  Constructive criticism too, well done.

    The man does have a point though.
    no, he doesn't. it ludicrous to compare knives to automatic weapons. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BANNING HANDGUNS/SINGLE SHOT RIFLES. if you want to compare, that is the only, still semi-illogical, argument that can be made. and no one is suggesting it. 

    if there is ever a knife that can kill 58 people and injure 500 more in 10 minutes from 32 floors up and hundreds of meters away in the dark, then you have an argument. 
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  • PJPOWER
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    If democrats really want their gun control arguments to be taken seriously and garnish something even close to bipartisan support, they are going to have to replace quacks like Feinstein.  That would be the most positive step towards gun control legislation that a democrat could take at this point.  
  • PJPOWER
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    rgambs said:
    You guys are fucking idiots if you think making light of this issue is ok when there are still bodies waiting to be buried.
    It's all a big joke to you, hehe haha hoho, I shoot my bang bang hehe.

    Grow up and get a fucking life.
    Positive post right here.  Constructive criticism too, well done.

    The man does have a point though.
    no, he doesn't. it ludicrous to compare knives to automatic weapons. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BANNING HANDGUNS/SINGLE SHOT RIFLES. if you want to compare, that is the only, still semi-illogical, argument that can be made. and no one is suggesting it. 

    if there is ever a knife that can kill 58 people and injure 500 more in 10 minutes from 32 floors up and hundreds of meters away in the dark, then you have an argument. 
    So the people suggesting that the US should adopt policies mirroring Australia’s and Europe’s are not suggesting banning handguns and single shot rifles...got it...
  • mace1229
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    PJPOWER said:
    If democrats really want their gun control arguments to be taken seriously and garnish something even close to bipartisan support, they are going to have to replace quacks like Feinstein.  That would be the most positive step towards gun control legislation that a democrat could take at this point.  
    Exactly what I've said several times. She only feeds the "going to take my guns" fear. It isn't unreasonable to see why people fear losing their guns with people like her in charge. End result is they push back on everything because of the "give an inch take a mile" syndrome and nothing gets passed.
  • dignin
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    PJPOWER said:
    If democrats really want their gun control arguments to be taken seriously and garnish something even close to bipartisan support, they are going to have to replace quacks like Feinstein.  That would be the most positive step towards gun control legislation that a democrat could take at this point.  
    I want to hear more about knives. Please tell me more about knives.
  • brianlux
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    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    Exactly.  And some gun owners will say they don't use guns to kill (even though that is the purpose) like to target practice.  I can thank some of my neighbors who do that for driving my anxiety bat shit crazy up the wall on a bad day.  Not cool.  Besides why do they really target practice for?  Do they never think about how that might make them better at killing?  Hmmmm...
    Target practice is important, especially for a hunter.  No need to make a wild animal suffer because you were irresponsible and did not zero your scope in accurately...
    That assumes you can justify killing wild animals.  But we've already been over all that.  I stand by my words.  Guns are made for killing.
    Even this gun?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flare_gun

    Ya got me there! 

    I'm reading Frozen in Time by Mitchell Zuckoff, a book about downed WWII planes in Greenland.  Great read!    Flare guns were useful in helping save some of the crews of the planes that went down.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16248142-frozen-in-time

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  • brianlux
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    I think if the knife thing is going to keep coming up here there should be a separate thread like "Knife Violence in America" or "Knife Violence in England" or "Bread is yummy no matter how you slice it".
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJPOWER
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    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If democrats really want their gun control arguments to be taken seriously and garnish something even close to bipartisan support, they are going to have to replace quacks like Feinstein.  That would be the most positive step towards gun control legislation that a democrat could take at this point.  
    I want to hear more about knives. Please tell me more about knives.
    Save a life, ban a knife, lol
  • mace1229
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    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    Exactly.  And some gun owners will say they don't use guns to kill (even though that is the purpose) like to target practice.  I can thank some of my neighbors who do that for driving my anxiety bat shit crazy up the wall on a bad day.  Not cool.  Besides why do they really target practice for?  Do they never think about how that might make them better at killing?  Hmmmm...
    Target practice is important, especially for a hunter.  No need to make a wild animal suffer because you were irresponsible and did not zero your scope in accurately...
    That assumes you can justify killing wild animals.  But we've already been over all that.  I stand by my words.  Guns are made for killing.
    Even this gun?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flare_gun

    Ya got me there! 

    I'm reading Frozen in Time by Mitchell Zuckoff, a book about downed WWII planes in Greenland.  Great read!    Flare guns were useful in helping save some of the crews of the planes that went down.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16248142-frozen-in-time

    A lot of guns, and even ammo, are specifically designed for paper or other target shooting. 
    Yes, you could easily kill with them, and the origin of guns is for killing. But not every gun was designed with that purpose in mind.
    I don't think that changes anything or enhances the pro-gun argument. I just disagree with the sentiment that all guns are designed/made to kill
  • PJPOWER
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    brianlux said:
    I think if the knife thing is going to keep coming up here there should be a separate thread like "Knife Violence in America" or "Knife Violence in England" or "Bread is yummy no matter how you slice it".
    I agree, and it should probably be England since America does not have a knife problem that I am aware of.
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