Uncle Joe Biden

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  • rgambs
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    JimmyV said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Is there really even a scandal with Hilary? I mean besides a pretend one?

    100% honest answer: I'm not sure yet.

    The email thing is definitely becoming another partisan affair, and that helps Clinton because it mobilizes Democrats and makes it look like she is being attacked unfairly. But the exclusive use of a personal email account, coupled with the potential for lackadaisical care of classified information, still could turn into something real. We'll see where it goes.



    I think there is a bit of a cover-up, which is what takes it into scandal territory.
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  • lolobugg
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    For me it goes Clinton < Biden < Sanders so I hope he runs for two reason 1. If Bernie gets pushed out of the race I would much prefer him over Clinton and 2. He could possibly split the vote with Hillary and allow Bernie to get in.

    I agree with this order....
    I would def feel more comfortable voting for Biden than Hillary.

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  • JimmyV
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    An hour long meeting with progressive superstar Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts? Likely kicking the tires on her as a potential VP in the Biden administration and anointing her as the presumptive nominee in 2020? This is so much more interesting than anything Donald Trump is doing.
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  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    Run Joe run!
    cuz if H is the Democratic nominee, I will either be abstaining or voting Repuke for the first time.
  • CH156378
    CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    edited September 2015
    Anybody see Uncle Joe on Colbert? I seen a few clips , thought it looked pretty good. He definitely has a way of connecting that Hillary and Bernie don't have. I think if he runs, he will get the nomination.
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  • callen
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    JimmyV said:

    Is the buzz for real? Is he getting ready to jump in the race? Feels like he is the establishment's backup plan in case Hillary goes down in a blaze of scandal. I personally love the guy but I've never seen him as being #1 candidate material. But he might make the Democratic Primary a better race if he gets into it.

    Thoughts?

    Eh eh eh.

    Thoughts?

    Not Candidate material?!?!?!?

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    Enough said. :)
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,098
    i don't think joe will jump in. he is already way behind in fundraising, (sad we have to consider that), and i am not sure how much he wants to tie himself to obama.

    sure obama has accomplished some great things, and any true democrat would run on that stuff, but fox news is making dems want to run away from that stuff. the dems are stupid enough to do just that instead of fight for it and be proud of it.
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  • brianlux
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    Will he? Looks like maybe.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/joe-biden-hillary-clinton_55fc5c70e4b0fde8b0ce25bb

    A group of prominent Democratic Party fundraisers on Friday began circulating a letter to encourage a hesitant Vice President Joe Biden to enter the 2016 race for U.S. president.

    "We write today to publicly announce our support for Vice President Biden, to urge him to join the Presidential race, and to pledge our support if he does," they write in the letter, a copy of which was seen by Reuters.

    It calls the Obama-Biden administration a "spectacular success." It cites job creation, a lower unemployment rate, new health insurance policies for nearly nine million Americans and the end of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    "To finish the job, America needs a leader who is respected both home and abroad, and who understands the real challenges facing American families. In our opinion, the next president must be Joe Biden. If he announces he’s running, we’re all in. It’s a campaign we know he will win," the letter says.

    The signees are largely party financiers who have yet to throw their support behind Hillary Clinton, the presumptive front-runner for the Democratic nomination to the November 2016 election. Their call is the most provocative yet for Biden to take her on. The letter makes no mention of Clinton.
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  • Last-12-Exit
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    i don't think joe will jump in. he is already way behind in fundraising, (sad we have to consider that), and i am not sure how much he wants to tie himself to obama.

    sure obama has accomplished some great things, and any true democrat would run on that stuff, but fox news is making dems want to run away from that stuff. the dems are stupid enough to do just that instead of fight for it and be proud of it.

    Looking like he's got plenty of money to work with.
  • He's getting urged because his party is seeing an independent from Vermont coming in and making everyone else look bad. The trouble in this is, I see him taking more votes from Hillary, not Bernie.
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  • brianlux
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    He's getting urged because his party is seeing an independent from Vermont coming in and making everyone else look bad. The trouble in this is, I see him taking more votes from Hillary, not Bernie.

    That makes sense. Maybe better if he doesn't run.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,098
    i like joe. he is pretty loyal to the clintons though. i don't see him being so power hungry that he attempts to spoil hillary's perceived birthright.
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  • callen
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    i like joe. he is pretty loyal to the clintons though. i don't see him being so power hungry that he attempts to spoil hillary's perceived birthright.

    And he may have had enough. Been there done it.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited September 2017

    Joe Biden

    In over 45 years of working in global affairs, I’ve observed a simple truth: America’s ability to lead the world depends not just on the example of our power, but on the power of our example.

    American democracy is rooted in the belief that every man, woman and child has equal rights to freedom and dignity. While the United States is far from perfect, we have never given up the struggle to grow closer to the ideals in our founding documents.

    The constant American endeavor to live by our values is a great strength that has drawn generations of strivers and dreamers to the United States, enriching our population. Around the world, other nations follow our lead because they know that America does not simply protect its own interests, but tries to advance the aspirations of all.

    This has stood as the foundation of American foreign policy throughout my political career — until recently.

    Around the world, including in the United States, we are seeing the resurgence of a worldview that is closed off and clannish. President Trump keeps longstanding allies such as Germany at arm’s length, while expressing admiration for autocrats like Vladimir V. Putin who thwart democratic institutions.

    Rather than building from a narrative of freedom and democracy that inspires nations to rally together, this White House casts global affairs as a zero-sum competition — for the United States to succeed, others must lose. Among the many problems that plague the Trump administration’s foreign policy, this line of thinking is perhaps the most disturbing.

    During a speech in July, Mr. Trump said, “The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive.” This statement divides the world into “us” and “them.” No American political figure has so narrowly defined our interests since the period between the world wars.

    Mr. Trump’s shameful defense of the white nationalists and neo-Nazis who unleashed hatred and violence in Charlottesville, Va., further abnegated America’s moral leadership. Not since the Jim Crow era has an American president so misunderstood and misrepresented our values.

    Most recently, the Trump administration’s order to rescind Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals — punishing young people brought to this country by their parents, many of whom know no home but the United States — betrays an unnecessary cruelty that further undermines America’s standing in the world.

    When Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson said that it was important to “understand the difference between policy and values,” he wrote off the very thing that makes the United States exceptional. And at a time when democratic values are under siege around the globe — from populist attacks that undermine confidence in democratic institutions to leaders who try to bolster their power by closing the space for civil society and rolling back citizens’ rights — the world cannot afford to have America cede the field to illiberalism and intolerance.

    Placing American democratic values back at the center of our foreign policy does not mean we should impose our principles abroad or refuse to talk with nations whose policies run counter to them. There will always be times when keeping Americans safe requires working with those whom we find distasteful. But even when we must make those hard choices, we can never forget who we are and the future we seek.

    Reclaiming our values starts with standing up for them at home — inclusivity, tolerance, diversity, respect for the rule of law, freedom of speech, freedom of the press. If these are the democratic principles we wish to see around the world, America must be the first to model them.

    These are also the values that tie us to our closest allies — the friends we depend on to address major global challenges. They must believe that the United States will continue to support them and to stand up for democracy.

    Leading with our values also means that we speak out when nations violate their citizens’ rights. If leaders repress their own people, we must make clear that it constrains our ability to cooperate with them. We can meet our security imperatives without giving a green light to dictators who abuse universal human rights.

    Finally, a foreign policy built on our values must stand firm against foreign powers that celebrate a perceived withdrawal of American leadership as an opportunity to increase their influence. Without the United States standing as a bulwark for global democracy, illiberal powers like Russia will take increasingly aggressive steps to disrupt the international order, bully their neighbors and return to a more divided world.

    From the Marshall Plan after World War II to our alliances in East Asia, both Republican and Democratic officials have long embraced a vision of American leadership that fosters a more secure, inclusive and generous planet. That ideal made the world safer and more prosperous — for Americans and everyone else.

    The international community still needs a strong, democratic America leading the way. And the good news is that the United States remains better positioned than any other country to shape the direction of the 21st century. But to succeed, we cannot abandon the tenets that we fought so hard to defend over the past seven decades — ideals that magnified American leadership and produced the greatest increase in global prosperity in history.

    You cannot define Americans by what they look like, where they come from, whom they love or how they worship. Only our democratic values define us. And if we lose sight of this in our conduct at home or abroad, we jeopardize the respect that has made the United States the greatest nation on earth.


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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited September 2017
    Biden: America’s ability to lead the world depends not just on the example of our power, but on the power of our example.
    JC: America leads by the USD being world currency and military might.

    Biden: American democracy is rooted in the belief that every man, woman and child has equal rights to freedom and dignity. While the United States is far from perfect, we have never given up the struggle to grow closer to the ideals in our founding documents.
    JC: American democracy and our founding documents are rooted in racism and white supremacy.

    Biden: The constant American endeavor to live by our values is a great strength that has drawn generations of strivers and dreamers to the United States, enriching our population. Around the world, other nations follow our lead because they know that America does not simply protect its own interests, but tries to advance the aspirations of all.
    JC: (Values, the values over the last 20 years or the values of the previous 207 years?)
    Foreigners flee their homeland because of US/NATO bombs or for the USD. Nations follow our lead because otherwise they risk government overthrow or US/NATO bombs. The US only protects its own interests, which are the USD and global military control.

      
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  • cp3iverson
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    Don't care for either party but always a nice guy in my dealings with him.  
  • Cliffy6745
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    He's running
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  • JC29856
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    Biden: Most recently, the Trump administration’s order to rescind Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals — punishing young people brought to this country by their parents, many of whom know no home but the United States — betrays an unnecessary cruelty that further undermines America’s standing in the world.
    JC: Jan 2009 thru Jan 2017 - 3,000,000,000 were punished by record deportation not to mention those turned away at the border. You were VP to the constitutional lawyer President that declared DACA unconstitutional.

    Biden: And at a time when democratic values are under siege around the globe — from populist attacks that undermine confidence in democratic institutions to leaders who try to bolster their power by closing the space for civil society and rolling back citizens’ rights — the world cannot afford to have America cede the field to illiberalism and intolerance.
    JC: US democratic institutions like the FBI, NSA and CIA undermine civil societies and roll back citizens rights. 

    Biden: Placing American democratic values back at the center of our foreign policy does not mean we should impose our principles abroad or refuse to talk with nations whose policies run counter to them.
    JC: American democratic values were never at the center of foreign policy (you're becoming ridiculous now). Imposing our principles abroad = dropping infectious Democracy bombs on predominately brown countries (during your tenure as VP 100,000 bombs on 7 counties). Nations that run counter to US values and policy; Israel, Saudi Arabia.

  • JC29856 said:
    Biden: Most recently, the Trump administration’s order to rescind Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals — punishing young people brought to this country by their parents, many of whom know no home but the United States — betrays an unnecessary cruelty that further undermines America’s standing in the world.
    JC: Jan 2009 thru Jan 2017 - 3,000,000,000 were punished by record deportation not to mention those turned away at the border. You were VP to the constitutional lawyer President that declared DACA unconstitutional.

    Biden: And at a time when democratic values are under siege around the globe — from populist attacks that undermine confidence in democratic institutions to leaders who try to bolster their power by closing the space for civil society and rolling back citizens’ rights — the world cannot afford to have America cede the field to illiberalism and intolerance.
    JC: US democratic institutions like the FBI, NSA and CIA undermine civil societies and roll back citizens rights. 

    Biden: Placing American democratic values back at the center of our foreign policy does not mean we should impose our principles abroad or refuse to talk with nations whose policies run counter to them.
    JC: American democratic values were never at the center of foreign policy (you're becoming ridiculous now). Imposing our principles abroad = dropping infectious Democracy bombs on predominately brown countries (during your tenure as VP 100,000 bombs on 7 counties). Nations that run counter to US values and policy; Israel, Saudi Arabia.

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