Uncle Joe Biden

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,366

    He's getting urged because his party is seeing an independent from Vermont coming in and making everyone else look bad. The trouble in this is, I see him taking more votes from Hillary, not Bernie.

    That makes sense. Maybe better if he doesn't run.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 16,143
    i like joe. he is pretty loyal to the clintons though. i don't see him being so power hungry that he attempts to spoil hillary's perceived birthright.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388

    i like joe. he is pretty loyal to the clintons though. i don't see him being so power hungry that he attempts to spoil hillary's perceived birthright.

    And he may have had enough. Been there done it.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited September 2017

    Joe Biden

    In over 45 years of working in global affairs, I’ve observed a simple truth: America’s ability to lead the world depends not just on the example of our power, but on the power of our example.

    American democracy is rooted in the belief that every man, woman and child has equal rights to freedom and dignity. While the United States is far from perfect, we have never given up the struggle to grow closer to the ideals in our founding documents.

    The constant American endeavor to live by our values is a great strength that has drawn generations of strivers and dreamers to the United States, enriching our population. Around the world, other nations follow our lead because they know that America does not simply protect its own interests, but tries to advance the aspirations of all.

    This has stood as the foundation of American foreign policy throughout my political career — until recently.

    Around the world, including in the United States, we are seeing the resurgence of a worldview that is closed off and clannish. President Trump keeps longstanding allies such as Germany at arm’s length, while expressing admiration for autocrats like Vladimir V. Putin who thwart democratic institutions.

    Rather than building from a narrative of freedom and democracy that inspires nations to rally together, this White House casts global affairs as a zero-sum competition — for the United States to succeed, others must lose. Among the many problems that plague the Trump administration’s foreign policy, this line of thinking is perhaps the most disturbing.

    During a speech in July, Mr. Trump said, “The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive.” This statement divides the world into “us” and “them.” No American political figure has so narrowly defined our interests since the period between the world wars.

    Mr. Trump’s shameful defense of the white nationalists and neo-Nazis who unleashed hatred and violence in Charlottesville, Va., further abnegated America’s moral leadership. Not since the Jim Crow era has an American president so misunderstood and misrepresented our values.

    Most recently, the Trump administration’s order to rescind Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals — punishing young people brought to this country by their parents, many of whom know no home but the United States — betrays an unnecessary cruelty that further undermines America’s standing in the world.

    When Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson said that it was important to “understand the difference between policy and values,” he wrote off the very thing that makes the United States exceptional. And at a time when democratic values are under siege around the globe — from populist attacks that undermine confidence in democratic institutions to leaders who try to bolster their power by closing the space for civil society and rolling back citizens’ rights — the world cannot afford to have America cede the field to illiberalism and intolerance.

    Placing American democratic values back at the center of our foreign policy does not mean we should impose our principles abroad or refuse to talk with nations whose policies run counter to them. There will always be times when keeping Americans safe requires working with those whom we find distasteful. But even when we must make those hard choices, we can never forget who we are and the future we seek.

    Reclaiming our values starts with standing up for them at home — inclusivity, tolerance, diversity, respect for the rule of law, freedom of speech, freedom of the press. If these are the democratic principles we wish to see around the world, America must be the first to model them.

    These are also the values that tie us to our closest allies — the friends we depend on to address major global challenges. They must believe that the United States will continue to support them and to stand up for democracy.

    Leading with our values also means that we speak out when nations violate their citizens’ rights. If leaders repress their own people, we must make clear that it constrains our ability to cooperate with them. We can meet our security imperatives without giving a green light to dictators who abuse universal human rights.

    Finally, a foreign policy built on our values must stand firm against foreign powers that celebrate a perceived withdrawal of American leadership as an opportunity to increase their influence. Without the United States standing as a bulwark for global democracy, illiberal powers like Russia will take increasingly aggressive steps to disrupt the international order, bully their neighbors and return to a more divided world.

    From the Marshall Plan after World War II to our alliances in East Asia, both Republican and Democratic officials have long embraced a vision of American leadership that fosters a more secure, inclusive and generous planet. That ideal made the world safer and more prosperous — for Americans and everyone else.

    The international community still needs a strong, democratic America leading the way. And the good news is that the United States remains better positioned than any other country to shape the direction of the 21st century. But to succeed, we cannot abandon the tenets that we fought so hard to defend over the past seven decades — ideals that magnified American leadership and produced the greatest increase in global prosperity in history.

    You cannot define Americans by what they look like, where they come from, whom they love or how they worship. Only our democratic values define us. And if we lose sight of this in our conduct at home or abroad, we jeopardize the respect that has made the United States the greatest nation on earth.


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    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited September 2017
    Biden: America’s ability to lead the world depends not just on the example of our power, but on the power of our example.
    JC: America leads by the USD being world currency and military might.

    Biden: American democracy is rooted in the belief that every man, woman and child has equal rights to freedom and dignity. While the United States is far from perfect, we have never given up the struggle to grow closer to the ideals in our founding documents.
    JC: American democracy and our founding documents are rooted in racism and white supremacy.

    Biden: The constant American endeavor to live by our values is a great strength that has drawn generations of strivers and dreamers to the United States, enriching our population. Around the world, other nations follow our lead because they know that America does not simply protect its own interests, but tries to advance the aspirations of all.
    JC: (Values, the values over the last 20 years or the values of the previous 207 years?)
    Foreigners flee their homeland because of US/NATO bombs or for the USD. Nations follow our lead because otherwise they risk government overthrow or US/NATO bombs. The US only protects its own interests, which are the USD and global military control.

      
    Post edited by JC29856 on
    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 4,559
    Don't care for either party but always a nice guy in my dealings with him.  
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 27,228
    He's running
  • He's running
    Let PJFan know, will ya?
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Biden: Most recently, the Trump administration’s order to rescind Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals — punishing young people brought to this country by their parents, many of whom know no home but the United States — betrays an unnecessary cruelty that further undermines America’s standing in the world.
    JC: Jan 2009 thru Jan 2017 - 3,000,000,000 were punished by record deportation not to mention those turned away at the border. You were VP to the constitutional lawyer President that declared DACA unconstitutional.

    Biden: And at a time when democratic values are under siege around the globe — from populist attacks that undermine confidence in democratic institutions to leaders who try to bolster their power by closing the space for civil society and rolling back citizens’ rights — the world cannot afford to have America cede the field to illiberalism and intolerance.
    JC: US democratic institutions like the FBI, NSA and CIA undermine civil societies and roll back citizens rights. 

    Biden: Placing American democratic values back at the center of our foreign policy does not mean we should impose our principles abroad or refuse to talk with nations whose policies run counter to them.
    JC: American democratic values were never at the center of foreign policy (you're becoming ridiculous now). Imposing our principles abroad = dropping infectious Democracy bombs on predominately brown countries (during your tenure as VP 100,000 bombs on 7 counties). Nations that run counter to US values and policy; Israel, Saudi Arabia.

    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • JC29856 said:
    Biden: Most recently, the Trump administration’s order to rescind Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals — punishing young people brought to this country by their parents, many of whom know no home but the United States — betrays an unnecessary cruelty that further undermines America’s standing in the world.
    JC: Jan 2009 thru Jan 2017 - 3,000,000,000 were punished by record deportation not to mention those turned away at the border. You were VP to the constitutional lawyer President that declared DACA unconstitutional.

    Biden: And at a time when democratic values are under siege around the globe — from populist attacks that undermine confidence in democratic institutions to leaders who try to bolster their power by closing the space for civil society and rolling back citizens’ rights — the world cannot afford to have America cede the field to illiberalism and intolerance.
    JC: US democratic institutions like the FBI, NSA and CIA undermine civil societies and roll back citizens rights. 

    Biden: Placing American democratic values back at the center of our foreign policy does not mean we should impose our principles abroad or refuse to talk with nations whose policies run counter to them.
    JC: American democratic values were never at the center of foreign policy (you're becoming ridiculous now). Imposing our principles abroad = dropping infectious Democracy bombs on predominately brown countries (during your tenure as VP 100,000 bombs on 7 counties). Nations that run counter to US values and policy; Israel, Saudi Arabia.

    Ahhh, hello? Trump owns it all now, duh.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,366
    He's running
    Uncle Joe would be great for the Democratic party and for America! 

    http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/350589-joe-biden-save-democrats-and-run-for-president-in-2020

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 12,263
    Uncle Joe taking a moment to chat with a homeless gentleman simply because he's there and he can.

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  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness San DiegoPosts: 2,482
    <3
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,366
    <3
    Here, here!  We love Joe!
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,366
    JimmyV said:
    Is the buzz for real? Is he getting ready to jump in the race? Feels like he is the establishment's backup plan in case Hillary goes down in a blaze of scandal. I personally love the guy but I've never seen him as being #1 candidate material. But he might make the Democratic Primary a better race if he gets into it. Thoughts?
    What do you think, Jimmy?  Maybe call this thread "Joe Biden For President in 2020" or something?  Your thread, your call, of course!  :smile:

    In any case, this is promising!:

    http://www.newsweek.com/biden-trump-2020-election-838402

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 10,642
    Not a Joe Biden fan at all.  He is creepy and likes to touch people inappropriately. That said, so does the current president so that’s a push if the vote is between them. And while I really dislike joe Biden, I’d vote for him over trump.

    yuck I just threw up in my mouth there.....
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 12,263
    brianlux said:
    JimmyV said:
    Is the buzz for real? Is he getting ready to jump in the race? Feels like he is the establishment's backup plan in case Hillary goes down in a blaze of scandal. I personally love the guy but I've never seen him as being #1 candidate material. But he might make the Democratic Primary a better race if he gets into it. Thoughts?
    What do you think, Jimmy?  Maybe call this thread "Joe Biden For President in 2020" or something?  Your thread, your call, of course!  :smile:

    In any case, this is promising!:

    http://www.newsweek.com/biden-trump-2020-election-838402

    Putting a pin in this for now. If he announces (or if it looks like he will announce) I will change the thread title straightaway.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 12,263
    Not a Joe Biden fan at all.  He is creepy and likes to touch people inappropriately. That said, so does the current president so that’s a push if the vote is between them. And while I really dislike joe Biden, I’d vote for him over trump.

    yuck I just threw up in my mouth there.....
    See? Uncle Joe brings people together. :wink:
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,366
    JimmyV said:
    brianlux said:
    JimmyV said:
    Is the buzz for real? Is he getting ready to jump in the race? Feels like he is the establishment's backup plan in case Hillary goes down in a blaze of scandal. I personally love the guy but I've never seen him as being #1 candidate material. But he might make the Democratic Primary a better race if he gets into it. Thoughts?
    What do you think, Jimmy?  Maybe call this thread "Joe Biden For President in 2020" or something?  Your thread, your call, of course!  :smile:

    In any case, this is promising!:

    http://www.newsweek.com/biden-trump-2020-election-838402

    Putting a pin in this for now. If he announces (or if it looks like he will announce) I will change the thread title straightaway.
    I hope he does run!  He may not be perfect but I think he would have a good shot at winning and getting Trump out of there and he was be a vast improvement because Trump is not only bad news, his whole administration is a gang of earth haters.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 12,263
    "If we were in high school, I’d take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him." -- Joe Biden on President Trump

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-beat-hell-trump-high-school-disrespecting-women/story?id=53897309

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,366
    JimmyV said:
    "If we were in high school, I’d take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him." -- Joe Biden on President Trump

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-beat-hell-trump-high-school-disrespecting-women/story?id=53897309

    I don't applaud acts of violence of any kind but there are some instances where quiet approval is certainly not out the question for me.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 16,028
    Not a big fan of Uncle Joe's comments... made me cringe... he can do better 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 10,642
    my2hands said:
    Not a big fan of Uncle Joe's comments... made me cringe... he can do better 
    Bully
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 3,270
    This is about what I expect out of politicians these days...

    brianlux said:
    JimmyV said:
    "If we were in high school, I’d take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him." -- Joe Biden on President Trump

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-beat-hell-trump-high-school-disrespecting-women/story?id=53897309

    I don't applaud acts of violence of any kind but there are some instances where quiet approval is certainly not out the question for me.

    Just what I’d want to watch to senior citizens fighting...not
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 12,263
    I enjoy comments that I know deep down will truly bother Donald Trump. This one has a childish quality that will allow it to properly hit the mark.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 10,642
    I want a pay-per-view event.

    trump wins - $ goes towards wall
    biden wins - $ goes towards cell phones for welfare recipients 


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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 12,263
    I want a pay-per-view event.

    trump wins - $ goes towards wall
    biden wins - $ goes towards cell phones for welfare recipients 


    Mexico is going to pay for the cell phones.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,366
    my2hands said:
    Not a big fan of Uncle Joe's comments... made me cringe... he can do better 
    I kind of felt that way at first but at the same time, I saw it more as figuratively speaking.  Besides, who here that is not a Trump supporter (that would be at least 95% of us) hasn't said something damning, outrageous, or in fury about Trump?  Almost all of us have.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 19,820
    brianlux said:
    JimmyV said:
    "If we were in high school, I’d take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him." -- Joe Biden on President Trump

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-beat-hell-trump-high-school-disrespecting-women/story?id=53897309

    I don't applaud acts of violence of any kind but there are some instances where quiet approval is certainly not out the question for me.
    either do i but if that orange bafoon would of called my wife ugly i'd knock his teeth out unlike Cruz who just took it and let his wife be called ugly by a moron , I give Joe a brake just for the fact that he's lost more than most humans can endure .....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    Joe should stop worrying about Trump and take care of his kid.  
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