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A third of undocumented immigrants 15 and older lives with at least one child who is a United States citizen by birth. Slightly more than 30 percent own homes. Only a tiny fraction has been convicted of felonies or serious misdemeanors.
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not sure of your thoughts on zephyr teachbut but I thought she had potential to be as you describe.PJ_Soul said:
Good question. American badly needs one or five. I've been saying for a while that BLM, for example, are in desperate need of a great leader. Without one, they are largely ineffective and even destructive in some ways. It's a shame.brianlux said:Where is the MLK or Bobby Kennedy of today, that's what I want to know.
The closest you have is Bernie Sanders.... I think he's great. The problem there is that the two main political parties and the entire system are just so fucked up that Bernie is not able to be as effective as he should be while working kind of within that system (I'm sure the same would happen to Bobby Kennedy if he existed present day). I'm not really sure exactly where a great leader would best belong right now, with things the way they are. Not good.
some point after her ny run against cuomo she converted to a brock-bot with CREW.
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I had to look her up (I may have been somewhat aware of her during her NY run, but I don't remember now). I know nothing about her, beside what I just read in about 3 minutes. From that she seems good, lol, but obviously I don't know enough to comment about her in any relevant way. Now that I'm aware of her I'll certainly keep an eye out for what she does in the future.JC29856 said:
not sure of your thoughts on zephyr teachbut but I thought she had potential to be as you describe.PJ_Soul said:
Good question. American badly needs one or five. I've been saying for a while that BLM, for example, are in desperate need of a great leader. Without one, they are largely ineffective and even destructive in some ways. It's a shame.brianlux said:Where is the MLK or Bobby Kennedy of today, that's what I want to know.
The closest you have is Bernie Sanders.... I think he's great. The problem there is that the two main political parties and the entire system are just so fucked up that Bernie is not able to be as effective as he should be while working kind of within that system (I'm sure the same would happen to Bobby Kennedy if he existed present day). I'm not really sure exactly where a great leader would best belong right now, with things the way they are. Not good.
some point after her ny run against cuomo she converted to a brock-bot with CREW.
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Yeah there are plenty of European illegals that have overstayed their visas but they fit right in to population they look just like the average American , they don't cut lawns or wait on tables !Halifax2TheMax said:Is ICE kicking in doors in those Trump branded properties in Florida, seeking out the Russian oligarchs on tourist visas having anchor babies in the US? Making sweeps through Little Russia in New York, looking for those Russian and eastern Europeans who have overstayed their tourist visas? How about ICE making their presence known in Pulaski Park or Bucktown? Why not? Being all about "law and order" and all.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
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Yeah there are plenty of European illegals that have overstayed their visas but they fit right in to population they look just like the average American , they don't cut lawns or wait on tables !Halifax2TheMax said:Is ICE kicking in doors in those Trump branded properties in Florida, seeking out the Russian oligarchs on tourist visas having anchor babies in the US? Making sweeps through Little Russia in New York, looking for those Russian and eastern Europeans who have overstayed their tourist visas? How about ICE making their presence known in Pulaski Park or Bucktown? Why not? Being all about "law and order" and all.
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Why do people keep bringing up Europe? They are such a tiny small fraction of the immigration problem. If you look at the top 10 countries of immigration, none are from Europe. I don't think any of the top 20 are even.josevolution said:
Yeah there are plenty of European illegals that have overstayed their visas but they fit right in to population they look just like the average American , they don't cut lawns or wait on tables !Halifax2TheMax said:Is ICE kicking in doors in those Trump branded properties in Florida, seeking out the Russian oligarchs on tourist visas having anchor babies in the US? Making sweeps through Little Russia in New York, looking for those Russian and eastern Europeans who have overstayed their tourist visas? How about ICE making their presence known in Pulaski Park or Bucktown? Why not? Being all about "law and order" and all.
Why is there a need to deny that the immigration exists from a few select countries? Mexico and Central America account for the vast majority of our legal and illegal immigration, so why would we focus on Europe?
You wouldnt suggest a solution to the gun problem is to outlaw a single-action 6 shooter would you? No, because thats like 0.1% of the crime.0 -
mace1229 said:
Why do people keep bringing up Europe? They are such a tiny small fraction of the immigration problem. If you look at the top 10 countries of immigration, none are from Europe. I don't think any of the top 20 are even.josevolution said:
Yeah there are plenty of European illegals that have overstayed their visas but they fit right in to population they look just like the average American , they don't cut lawns or wait on tables !Halifax2TheMax said:Is ICE kicking in doors in those Trump branded properties in Florida, seeking out the Russian oligarchs on tourist visas having anchor babies in the US? Making sweeps through Little Russia in New York, looking for those Russian and eastern Europeans who have overstayed their tourist visas? How about ICE making their presence known in Pulaski Park or Bucktown? Why not? Being all about "law and order" and all.
Why is there a need to deny that the immigration exists from a few select countries? Mexico and Central America account for the vast majority of our legal and illegal immigration, so why would we focus on Europe?
You wouldnt suggest a solution to the gun problem is to outlaw a single-action 6 shooter would you? No, because thats like 0.1% of the crime.
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According to Wikipedia, Europe is 8.2% of our immigration. So by ignoring Europe, we are still focusing on 92% of the problem.Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:
Why do people keep bringing up Europe? They are such a tiny small fraction of the immigration problem. If you look at the top 10 countries of immigration, none are from Europe. I don't think any of the top 20 are even.josevolution said:
Yeah there are plenty of European illegals that have overstayed their visas but they fit right in to population they look just like the average American , they don't cut lawns or wait on tables !Halifax2TheMax said:Is ICE kicking in doors in those Trump branded properties in Florida, seeking out the Russian oligarchs on tourist visas having anchor babies in the US? Making sweeps through Little Russia in New York, looking for those Russian and eastern Europeans who have overstayed their tourist visas? How about ICE making their presence known in Pulaski Park or Bucktown? Why not? Being all about "law and order" and all.
Why is there a need to deny that the immigration exists from a few select countries? Mexico and Central America account for the vast majority of our legal and illegal immigration, so why would we focus on Europe?
You wouldnt suggest a solution to the gun problem is to outlaw a single-action 6 shooter would you? No, because thats like 0.1% of the crime.
Why only focus on half the problem?
Makes total sense to me to focus on the biggest factors first. Mexico and Central America make up most of the illegal immigration, so we should focus on that first. Try one solution at a time, we cant solve it all at once.0 -
I think you're missing the point. We're talking about the actions of a racist administration and hypothesizing that if they happened to be white, this would've already benn resolved with a plan to make them legal citizens.mace1229 said:
According to Wikipedia, Europe is 8.2% of our immigration. So by ignoring Europe, we are still focusing on 92% of the problem.Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:
Why do people keep bringing up Europe? They are such a tiny small fraction of the immigration problem. If you look at the top 10 countries of immigration, none are from Europe. I don't think any of the top 20 are even.josevolution said:
Yeah there are plenty of European illegals that have overstayed their visas but they fit right in to population they look just like the average American , they don't cut lawns or wait on tables !Halifax2TheMax said:Is ICE kicking in doors in those Trump branded properties in Florida, seeking out the Russian oligarchs on tourist visas having anchor babies in the US? Making sweeps through Little Russia in New York, looking for those Russian and eastern Europeans who have overstayed their tourist visas? How about ICE making their presence known in Pulaski Park or Bucktown? Why not? Being all about "law and order" and all.
Why is there a need to deny that the immigration exists from a few select countries? Mexico and Central America account for the vast majority of our legal and illegal immigration, so why would we focus on Europe?
You wouldnt suggest a solution to the gun problem is to outlaw a single-action 6 shooter would you? No, because thats like 0.1% of the crime.
Why only focus on half the problem?
Makes total sense to me to focus on the biggest factors first. Mexico and Central America make up most of the illegal immigration, so we should focus on that first. Try one solution at a time, we cant solve it all at once.0 -
mace1229 said:
According to Wikipedia, Europe is 8.2% of our immigration. So by ignoring Europe, we are still focusing on 92% of the problem.Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:
Why do people keep bringing up Europe? They are such a tiny small fraction of the immigration problem. If you look at the top 10 countries of immigration, none are from Europe. I don't think any of the top 20 are even.josevolution said:
Yeah there are plenty of European illegals that have overstayed their visas but they fit right in to population they look just like the average American , they don't cut lawns or wait on tables !Halifax2TheMax said:Is ICE kicking in doors in those Trump branded properties in Florida, seeking out the Russian oligarchs on tourist visas having anchor babies in the US? Making sweeps through Little Russia in New York, looking for those Russian and eastern Europeans who have overstayed their tourist visas? How about ICE making their presence known in Pulaski Park or Bucktown? Why not? Being all about "law and order" and all.
Why is there a need to deny that the immigration exists from a few select countries? Mexico and Central America account for the vast majority of our legal and illegal immigration, so why would we focus on Europe?
You wouldnt suggest a solution to the gun problem is to outlaw a single-action 6 shooter would you? No, because thats like 0.1% of the crime.
Why only focus on half the problem?
Makes total sense to me to focus on the biggest factors first. Mexico and Central America make up most of the illegal immigration, so we should focus on that first. Try one solution at a time, we cant solve it all at once.
I noticed that when you referred to Europe, you stated "immigration." Yet, when you referred to Mexico and Central America, you stated "illegal immigration." Are there no illegal immigrants from Europe and conversely, is there no immigration from Central and South America, assuming "immigration" is the legal kind?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Also what's interesting is the commonly accepted notion the illegal immigration is a problem, but only based on the fact that it's against the law. If I want the government to make it a priority to do something, I want the problem to be clearly defined. In this case, what "problems" do illegals create? What's the financial loss vs. econimic gain by having them here? I haven't been able to find it, and when I've asked in here, someone posted a link citing arrests of illegals in Texas, and that was it.0
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You're being ridiculous. No one can pose a differing opinion without you twisting words into something they aren't.Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:
According to Wikipedia, Europe is 8.2% of our immigration. So by ignoring Europe, we are still focusing on 92% of the problem.Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:
Why do people keep bringing up Europe? They are such a tiny small fraction of the immigration problem. If you look at the top 10 countries of immigration, none are from Europe. I don't think any of the top 20 are even.josevolution said:
Yeah there are plenty of European illegals that have overstayed their visas but they fit right in to population they look just like the average American , they don't cut lawns or wait on tables !Halifax2TheMax said:Is ICE kicking in doors in those Trump branded properties in Florida, seeking out the Russian oligarchs on tourist visas having anchor babies in the US? Making sweeps through Little Russia in New York, looking for those Russian and eastern Europeans who have overstayed their tourist visas? How about ICE making their presence known in Pulaski Park or Bucktown? Why not? Being all about "law and order" and all.
Why is there a need to deny that the immigration exists from a few select countries? Mexico and Central America account for the vast majority of our legal and illegal immigration, so why would we focus on Europe?
You wouldnt suggest a solution to the gun problem is to outlaw a single-action 6 shooter would you? No, because thats like 0.1% of the crime.
Why only focus on half the problem?
Makes total sense to me to focus on the biggest factors first. Mexico and Central America make up most of the illegal immigration, so we should focus on that first. Try one solution at a time, we cant solve it all at once.
I noticed that when you referred to Europe, you stated "immigration." Yet, when you referred to Mexico and Central America, you stated "illegal immigration." Are there no illegal immigrants from Europe and conversely, is there no immigration from Central and South America, assuming "immigration" is the legal kind?
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I think you were trying to read into something that wasn't there.Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:
According to Wikipedia, Europe is 8.2% of our immigration. So by ignoring Europe, we are still focusing on 92% of the problem.Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:
Why do people keep bringing up Europe? They are such a tiny small fraction of the immigration problem. If you look at the top 10 countries of immigration, none are from Europe. I don't think any of the top 20 are even.josevolution said:
Yeah there are plenty of European illegals that have overstayed their visas but they fit right in to population they look just like the average American , they don't cut lawns or wait on tables !Halifax2TheMax said:Is ICE kicking in doors in those Trump branded properties in Florida, seeking out the Russian oligarchs on tourist visas having anchor babies in the US? Making sweeps through Little Russia in New York, looking for those Russian and eastern Europeans who have overstayed their tourist visas? How about ICE making their presence known in Pulaski Park or Bucktown? Why not? Being all about "law and order" and all.
Why is there a need to deny that the immigration exists from a few select countries? Mexico and Central America account for the vast majority of our legal and illegal immigration, so why would we focus on Europe?
You wouldnt suggest a solution to the gun problem is to outlaw a single-action 6 shooter would you? No, because thats like 0.1% of the crime.
Why only focus on half the problem?
Makes total sense to me to focus on the biggest factors first. Mexico and Central America make up most of the illegal immigration, so we should focus on that first. Try one solution at a time, we cant solve it all at once.
I noticed that when you referred to Europe, you stated "immigration." Yet, when you referred to Mexico and Central America, you stated "illegal immigration." Are there no illegal immigrants from Europe and conversely, is there no immigration from Central and South America, assuming "immigration" is the legal kind?
I referred to Europe as "immigration" simply because that was the stat that was available on Wikipedia. I don't know if that 8.2% I quoted include all immigration or only legal. Either way, it was more than safe to infer that if Europe is 8.2% of immigration (legal or not) it is probably a much smaller portion of the problem.
I referred to Mexico and Central America as "illegal immigration" because no one cares about the legal ones. DACA doesn't target the legal ones. When people talk about immigration as an issue they are talking about illegal immigration. There is no need to distinguish between the two. Illegal immigration, and the unwillingness to enforce the laws is what makes immigration a problem. Mexican, Irish, Chinese, I don't care, if you're here legally then great. But it is our illegal immigration that is out of control with no signs of slowing down. So when talking about immigration as a problem I refer to it as illegal immigration. No one wants to stop Mexicans from coming legally.
I don't know if it was intentional or not, but to me even asking that question implies you believe there are racist motivations with the intentional use of "immigration" and "illegal immigration." Why else even point it out?
And that's where I get hung up. Talking about immigration always comes down to race. But everyone for immigration laws dont even consider race. Its about following laws.0 -
Weeds illegal in a lot of places. If that law isn't enforced, is that a problem?0
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Yes. Why do we have a law if it isn't going to be monitored and enforced? Seems like a silly question.Go Beavers said:Weeds illegal in a lot of places. If that law isn't enforced, is that a problem?It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Every country enforces their boarders. Why can't we?Go Beavers said:Also what's interesting is the commonly accepted notion the illegal immigration is a problem, but only based on the fact that it's against the law. If I want the government to make it a priority to do something, I want the problem to be clearly defined. In this case, what "problems" do illegals create? What's the financial loss vs. econimic gain by having them here? I haven't been able to find it, and when I've asked in here, someone posted a link citing arrests of illegals in Texas, and that was it.
All the celebrities talking about moving to Canada. Well guess what, you have to speak English or French to get it, and even then, it is much harder.
You havent seen an impact of immigration? Schools.
Schools are over crowded and underfunded. We have embarassingly low test scores. And where are the lowest performing and most overcrowded schools? Usually areas with high immigration.
I'm not saying immigration is the only problem with school, and if we kick out the Mexicans we'd be at the top. But it is definitely a contributing factor when classrooms built to hold 25 kids now have 45. The focus of teaching is now reaching those who speak little English, nearly every training and professional development isnt about how to make the kids excell, but how to teach those with limited English. When kids get thrown into the 8th grade because of their age, but they have a 3rd grade education because of where they came from.
I'm not saying kicking them out is the answer, but anyone who cant see it affects the entire community is blind.
And why/how should we be responsible for others when we are currently failing our own kids? Figure out how to get our education system back on track before we try to be an open book to the world.0 -
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You're being ridiculous. No one can pose a differing opinion without you twisting words into something they aren't.Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:
According to Wikipedia, Europe is 8.2% of our immigration. So by ignoring Europe, we are still focusing on 92% of the problem.Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:
Why do people keep bringing up Europe? They are such a tiny small fraction of the immigration problem. If you look at the top 10 countries of immigration, none are from Europe. I don't think any of the top 20 are even.josevolution said:
Yeah there are plenty of European illegals that have overstayed their visas but they fit right in to population they look just like the average American , they don't cut lawns or wait on tables !Halifax2TheMax said:Is ICE kicking in doors in those Trump branded properties in Florida, seeking out the Russian oligarchs on tourist visas having anchor babies in the US? Making sweeps through Little Russia in New York, looking for those Russian and eastern Europeans who have overstayed their tourist visas? How about ICE making their presence known in Pulaski Park or Bucktown? Why not? Being all about "law and order" and all.
Why is there a need to deny that the immigration exists from a few select countries? Mexico and Central America account for the vast majority of our legal and illegal immigration, so why would we focus on Europe?
You wouldnt suggest a solution to the gun problem is to outlaw a single-action 6 shooter would you? No, because thats like 0.1% of the crime.
Why only focus on half the problem?
Makes total sense to me to focus on the biggest factors first. Mexico and Central America make up most of the illegal immigration, so we should focus on that first. Try one solution at a time, we cant solve it all at once.
I noticed that when you referred to Europe, you stated "immigration." Yet, when you referred to Mexico and Central America, you stated "illegal immigration." Are there no illegal immigrants from Europe and conversely, is there no immigration from Central and South America, assuming "immigration" is the legal kind?
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Go Beavers said:Weeds illegal in a lot of places. If that law isn't enforced, is that a problem?
So are big, fat white guys abusing prescription Oxy and not doing jail time.
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I think you were trying to read into something that wasn't there.Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:
According to Wikipedia, Europe is 8.2% of our immigration. So by ignoring Europe, we are still focusing on 92% of the problem.Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:
Why do people keep bringing up Europe? They are such a tiny small fraction of the immigration problem. If you look at the top 10 countries of immigration, none are from Europe. I don't think any of the top 20 are even.josevolution said:
Yeah there are plenty of European illegals that have overstayed their visas but they fit right in to population they look just like the average American , they don't cut lawns or wait on tables !Halifax2TheMax said:Is ICE kicking in doors in those Trump branded properties in Florida, seeking out the Russian oligarchs on tourist visas having anchor babies in the US? Making sweeps through Little Russia in New York, looking for those Russian and eastern Europeans who have overstayed their tourist visas? How about ICE making their presence known in Pulaski Park or Bucktown? Why not? Being all about "law and order" and all.
Why is there a need to deny that the immigration exists from a few select countries? Mexico and Central America account for the vast majority of our legal and illegal immigration, so why would we focus on Europe?
You wouldnt suggest a solution to the gun problem is to outlaw a single-action 6 shooter would you? No, because thats like 0.1% of the crime.
Why only focus on half the problem?
Makes total sense to me to focus on the biggest factors first. Mexico and Central America make up most of the illegal immigration, so we should focus on that first. Try one solution at a time, we cant solve it all at once.
I noticed that when you referred to Europe, you stated "immigration." Yet, when you referred to Mexico and Central America, you stated "illegal immigration." Are there no illegal immigrants from Europe and conversely, is there no immigration from Central and South America, assuming "immigration" is the legal kind?
I referred to Europe as "immigration" simply because that was the stat that was available on Wikipedia. I don't know if that 8.2% I quoted include all immigration or only legal. Either way, it was more than safe to infer that if Europe is 8.2% of immigration (legal or not) it is probably a much smaller portion of the problem.
I referred to Mexico and Central America as "illegal immigration" because no one cares about the legal ones. DACA doesn't target the legal ones. When people talk about immigration as an issue they are talking about illegal immigration. There is no need to distinguish between the two. Illegal immigration, and the unwillingness to enforce the laws is what makes immigration a problem. Mexican, Irish, Chinese, I don't care, if you're here legally then great. But it is our illegal immigration that is out of control with no signs of slowing down. So when talking about immigration as a problem I refer to it as illegal immigration. No one wants to stop Mexicans from coming legally.
I don't know if it was intentional or not, but to me even asking that question implies you believe there are racist motivations with the intentional use of "immigration" and "illegal immigration." Why else even point it out?
And that's where I get hung up. Talking about immigration always comes down to race. But everyone for immigration laws dont even consider race. Its about following laws.
How are children, at the time they "immigrated", by law unable to give consent or be held accountable for their actions, have committed an illegal act, illegally immigrating? Wasn't Obama the "deporter in chief" and the pace of illegals was slowed? Why aren't the laws equally enforced? Don't laws apply to all and not just certain segments? Was Arpaio applying the law equally when he only asked "brown" or "Hispanic" appearing people to prove their legal residency?
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They are similar in some ways...both pretty shitty leaders...Go Beavers said:
The post is an attempt to normalize trump like he's just like all the others. The bullshit theme that Hillary was just as bad as trump is why we're in this mess now.PJPOWER said:
"What difference does it make at this point?" I think Hillary hides it better...that is until she gets a magical slang accent when speaking to a southern black crowd...Go Beavers said:
All minimizing of racism posts aside, where would you put Clinton and trump on the racist/prejudice continuum based on the information we have?PJPOWER said:
Uh oh, looks like Hillary is a racist nazi tooJC29856 said:dignin said:
If anyone thinks it's okay to throw these kids out of their home because of a bad law, then yes, I think that makes someone bad.brianlux said:Hurricane Irma is now expected to hit Florida and we are quite concerned about my sister-in-law who lives there.
Why do I post this here? Because she is an immigrant and we supported her in coming to America and later becoming a US citizen. We're not super close but her circumstances were such (long story) that it made sense to support her anyway.
It's not all black and white and I am not cold and heartless. In fact, I don't think any of us who post here are cold and heartless so I wish some of you would stop trying to push the wedge further. Not agreeing with each other doesn't make us bad.
No analogy can make that right or humane.
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