The End of DACA?

unsung

mcgruff10 said:

so why didn't any of these people become u.s. citizens?

Some have.

Not my post or a page I am on.  I hope she has nothing but success.

oftenreading

You do know that most don’t have a legal path to Citizenship, right? 

JC29856

So much material for Georgy and Chucky to cover this weekend! I wonder what else might happen?

JC29856

What was the takeaway from Obamas expansion of DACA via EO and the government shutdown?

Dems: we will accept "a promise" on immigration legislation next month and re-open the government
MSM: "Schumer, do you trust Trump and McConnell to keep their promise?" Schumer: “If he does not honor our agreement, it will be a breach of trust, not only with the Democratic senators but with several members of his own party as well,”
Schumer: "The Senate minority leader, through an aide, informed the White House on Monday that he was retracting the offer he made last week to give Trump well north of the $1.6 billion in wall funding Trump had asked for..." 

PJ_Soul

oftenreading said:

You do know that most don’t have a legal path to Citizenship, right? 

I guess not?

tbergs

This is awesome.

oftenreading

tbergs said:

This is awesome.

Wow. It is.

I looked him up. Lots of other good stuff that he's done.

https://brianbilston.com/about-brian-bilston/

JC29856

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/politics/white-house-immigration-framework/index.html

In what the White House framed as a "dramatic concession" and "compromise," Trump would accept a path to citizenship not just for the roughly 700,000 undocumented immigrants were covered by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program when it was ended. But the proposal would also cover those undocumented immigrants who meet the DACA criteria but did not sign up and even more who would be newly eligible under the proposal's timeframe requirements -- giving legal status and a pathway to citizenship to about 1.8 million people.

cincybearcat

Go Beavers said:

tbergs said:

Go Beavers said:

Weeds illegal in a lot of places. If that law isn't enforced, is that a problem?

Yes. Why do we have a law if it isn't going to be monitored and enforced? Seems like a silly question.

The question is about motives. Is smoking weed a problem? No. So the problem is that we have a law, so it must be enforced. But what problem is the law combating? What problems are immigration laws combating?

Well since no one ever enforced the law, it didn't combat anything and we are where we are.

Continuing to not enforce the laws will get us into the same situation but worse farther down the road.

We need comprehensive reform, and while I'm not sure I'm 100% aligned, i'm ok with a path to citizenship for DACA...but you need to have laws and controls to stop it from happening again.  AND you need to reduce immigration based on the fact you are basically accepeting 2million immigrants and making them citizens.  

jeffbr

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

tbergs said:

Go Beavers said:

Weeds illegal in a lot of places. If that law isn't enforced, is that a problem?

Yes. Why do we have a law if it isn't going to be monitored and enforced? Seems like a silly question.

The question is about motives. Is smoking weed a problem? No. So the problem is that we have a law, so it must be enforced. But what problem is the law combating? What problems are immigration laws combating?

Well since no one ever enforced the law, it didn't combat anything and we are where we are.

Continuing to not enforce the laws will get us into the same situation but worse farther down the road.

We need comprehensive reform, and while I'm not sure I'm 100% aligned, i'm ok with a path to citizenship for DACA...but you need to have laws and controls to stop it from happening again.  AND you need to reduce immigration based on the fact you are basically accepeting 2million immigrants and making them citizens.  

I'd like to go back to what we're trying to combat with these immigration laws. I think Beavers asked a great question. I've also never understood why anyone was happy about those DACA kids getting hassled. Even if you're anti-immigration, those DACA kids are the least of our problems. By definition they're law abiding (they aren't the ones who came here illegally - their parents brought them) and if they commit a crime they're out. They are net positive contributors to our society - they either have jobs or go to school or both. They speak English (some as their only language). They complied and registered. They've waited years. They've jumped through hoops. Etc... They are certainly more of a net positive to our country/economy than Wallmart workers who cost tax payers $6+ Billion in public assistance, or the unemployed Rust Belt steel workers, or coal workers, or timber workers, who are a net-drain on our economy. So If it is economic reasons that have one fearing immigration, rest assured that immigrants are the least of our problems.  “Immigrants account for more than 90 percent of the growth in self-employment since 2000,” according to economist Magnus Lofstrom.

Unemployment rates being so low make the "immigrants are stealing our jobs" malarkey a non-issue. "Reducing legal immigration by 50% would initially reduce the rate of economic growth in the United States by an estimated 12.5% from its projected level, with this penalty increasing in later years when the United States becomes even more dependent upon immigration for the country’s population and labor force growth."

Here's an interesting article in Forbes about some of this. It also highlights that the Drumpfs came here through chain immigration. If only we'd stopped that practice in the late 1800's we could have prevented the Trumps from invading and ruining our country! I kid, of course. I exist here due to "chain migration" most recently from my Dad's mother's family coming from Sweden.