How old is too young?

on2legs said:

One thing that is being overlooked is that the band itself has clearly embraced the idea of kids at their shows and seems to actually encourage it with their behavior during shows i.e. handing out tambourines to them, bringing them on stage, verbally acknowledging them, etc.  

At the end of the day it probably doesn't matter that people don't want kids there because the band seems to have fully embraced it. 

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

brianlux said:

I love the kids in my life and I do lots of great and cool things with them but I just don't get why some of you want to take your kid to a rock show.  Why can't there be activities simply geared for adults anymore?  I don't get that.  Jeez, let the adults do their thing and let the kids be kids for a while already. 

Are you saying this to the board members, Pearl Jam or the fans?

tbergs said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

what dreams said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what dreams said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what dreams said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what dreams said:

I'm pretty sure the most recent message has been, "my wife will be sick for days from your pot smoke" and "I have a serious allergy, so stop." Forgive me for interpreting that to mean, "My kid is more special than your buzz." You're right. I confused my original concern for smoking in front of your child with your adult issues.

Look, I generally don't waste time on the Internet debating shit. So thank you for sharing all your thoughts. Enjoy your next show.

you are clearly confused. 

-smoke pot at a show if you wish (I used to)
-someone who rats someone out for doing so is well within their right to do so, and is not an "asshole", because they might have health issues related to that
-my kid is not more special than your buzz. my kid does not affect you,  your pot smoke may affect others. 

at weezer, as I've said, someone lit up a few rows over at the beginning of the show, as they opened with Hash Pipe. I laughed to myself and hoped she wouldn't ask me about it. and she didn't. so it was all good. 

when i used to smoke at shows, if I was next to a kid or an older couple, I just wouldn't smoke. common courtesy. I would survey my surroundings and make that call based on my observations. 

I give a shit about others. 

Dude, I really don't appreciate the implication that I don't care about others. In fact, I said that I'm really not cool as an adult smoking weed in front of a kid, being very aware of the impression that would make. I then said I would get really, really annoyed if someone asked me to stop. I didn't say I wouldn't stop. I said I would be annoyed if asked. I would probably take one long toke, hold my breath for as long as I could and then blow it in the other direction, all while trying to hide the scene from your infant, toddler, or whatever because I'm not all about corrupting minors.

No need to get all judgmental. Isn't that what you complained about earlier?  Just leave me out of your issues. That's all I want in this world, for everybody to leave each other alone. Including the ones who -- Yes -- really don't enjoy having children around when they're trying to chill out. Kids stress me the fuck out. Even when they're just sitting there bopping out, I start worrying about them and take on the caretaker role, and I just don't want that for myself at a fucking concert. It's what I do for a living, and when I'm around them I can't turn it off, which is why I don't want to be near them at concerts on MY time. Sorry you don't understand that or assume my motives are selfish. I don't have to fucking explain or justify myself to anyone in the arena -- unless the cops bust me and I'll deal with that responsibility myself, thank you very much.

So really, you can reply with whatever, but I'm done. Going for a workout to build up my lungs.

you implied I think everyone loves my kid. 

"just leave me out of your issues". Not sure what you keep referring to here. That I like spending time with my daughters? Yeah, REAL issues. 

so you want everyone to leave everyone else alone, live and let live, oh, except if it bothers you because a tiny human is sitting joyfully next to you. got it. 

it's not YOUR time if you are in public. just so you are aware. 

"kids stress me the fuck out". 
"it's what I do for a living". 

YIKES. 

You're right. I'm awful. How did I not see that before? How despicable of me to want to enjoy a night out doing adult things with other adults during my time off. I don't deserve that at all, nobody does, and only my utter depravity could have led me to have such unrealistic expectations for my life. Clearly you are a much better human being than I am. You are the shining example of what a true and righteous person ought to be. Thank you.   

did your lungs get a good build up? a whole lotta hot air just came out, so I guess so. 

I just really don't understand what your problem is. Seriously don't understand. My only position about your child or anybody else's child at a concert is that I don't want to sit next to them, and I've been under attack since. I've been misunderstood multiple times when I tried to explain what I feel are very respectful reasons why (I'd be a bad influence :-), and then I regroup and try to explain again, and that explanation gets a snarky response. Then I try to bow out gracefully and there's still a comeback about my character and an attack on my profession, and now this bitchy comment about my being full of hot air.  

The real thing I've come to learn about this forum over the years is that's it's full of self-righteous assholes who spend their endless hours and posts trying to better everybody else with their comeback. I don't want to sit next to most of you, never mind your children. 

Seriously -- have a great time at whatever show you take your children. You and she both have a right to be there if that's what you choose. I'm sure it will be a special time that you will both cherish forever. 

You are right about one thing. There are some self-righteous assholes on here. I remember when one of them talked down to me for making fun of Ted Cruz when he ate his own booger on live TV...

The man ate his own booger. Slurped that shit up like a frog snagging a fly. Hilarious.

Yeah, you just have to refrain from responding sometimes because it's just not worth it to argue with some random person on a Pearl Jam forum. The self righteousness here is only a fraction of the glorified assholeness that you get on the train. 

brianlux said:

tbergs said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

what dreams said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what dreams said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what dreams said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what dreams said:

I'm pretty sure the most recent message has been, "my wife will be sick for days from your pot smoke" and "I have a serious allergy, so stop." Forgive me for interpreting that to mean, "My kid is more special than your buzz." You're right. I confused my original concern for smoking in front of your child with your adult issues.

Look, I generally don't waste time on the Internet debating shit. So thank you for sharing all your thoughts. Enjoy your next show.

you are clearly confused. 

-smoke pot at a show if you wish (I used to)
-someone who rats someone out for doing so is well within their right to do so, and is not an "asshole", because they might have health issues related to that
-my kid is not more special than your buzz. my kid does not affect you,  your pot smoke may affect others. 

at weezer, as I've said, someone lit up a few rows over at the beginning of the show, as they opened with Hash Pipe. I laughed to myself and hoped she wouldn't ask me about it. and she didn't. so it was all good. 

when i used to smoke at shows, if I was next to a kid or an older couple, I just wouldn't smoke. common courtesy. I would survey my surroundings and make that call based on my observations. 

I give a shit about others. 

Dude, I really don't appreciate the implication that I don't care about others. In fact, I said that I'm really not cool as an adult smoking weed in front of a kid, being very aware of the impression that would make. I then said I would get really, really annoyed if someone asked me to stop. I didn't say I wouldn't stop. I said I would be annoyed if asked. I would probably take one long toke, hold my breath for as long as I could and then blow it in the other direction, all while trying to hide the scene from your infant, toddler, or whatever because I'm not all about corrupting minors.

No need to get all judgmental. Isn't that what you complained about earlier?  Just leave me out of your issues. That's all I want in this world, for everybody to leave each other alone. Including the ones who -- Yes -- really don't enjoy having children around when they're trying to chill out. Kids stress me the fuck out. Even when they're just sitting there bopping out, I start worrying about them and take on the caretaker role, and I just don't want that for myself at a fucking concert. It's what I do for a living, and when I'm around them I can't turn it off, which is why I don't want to be near them at concerts on MY time. Sorry you don't understand that or assume my motives are selfish. I don't have to fucking explain or justify myself to anyone in the arena -- unless the cops bust me and I'll deal with that responsibility myself, thank you very much.

So really, you can reply with whatever, but I'm done. Going for a workout to build up my lungs.

you implied I think everyone loves my kid. 

"just leave me out of your issues". Not sure what you keep referring to here. That I like spending time with my daughters? Yeah, REAL issues. 

so you want everyone to leave everyone else alone, live and let live, oh, except if it bothers you because a tiny human is sitting joyfully next to you. got it. 

it's not YOUR time if you are in public. just so you are aware. 

"kids stress me the fuck out". 
"it's what I do for a living". 

YIKES. 

You're right. I'm awful. How did I not see that before? How despicable of me to want to enjoy a night out doing adult things with other adults during my time off. I don't deserve that at all, nobody does, and only my utter depravity could have led me to have such unrealistic expectations for my life. Clearly you are a much better human being than I am. You are the shining example of what a true and righteous person ought to be. Thank you.   

did your lungs get a good build up? a whole lotta hot air just came out, so I guess so. 

I just really don't understand what your problem is. Seriously don't understand. My only position about your child or anybody else's child at a concert is that I don't want to sit next to them, and I've been under attack since. I've been misunderstood multiple times when I tried to explain what I feel are very respectful reasons why (I'd be a bad influence :-), and then I regroup and try to explain again, and that explanation gets a snarky response. Then I try to bow out gracefully and there's still a comeback about my character and an attack on my profession, and now this bitchy comment about my being full of hot air.  

The real thing I've come to learn about this forum over the years is that's it's full of self-righteous assholes who spend their endless hours and posts trying to better everybody else with their comeback. I don't want to sit next to most of you, never mind your children. 

Seriously -- have a great time at whatever show you take your children. You and she both have a right to be there if that's what you choose. I'm sure it will be a special time that you will both cherish forever. 

You are right about one thing. There are some self-righteous assholes on here. I remember when one of them talked down to me for making fun of Ted Cruz when he ate his own booger on live TV...

The man ate his own booger. Slurped that shit up like a frog snagging a fly. Hilarious.

Yeah, you just have to refrain from responding sometimes because it's just not worth it to argue with some random person on a Pearl Jam forum. The self righteousness here is only a fraction of the glorified assholeness that you get on the train. 

Whoa, tbergs, harsh!  Come on man, you've never had strong words on the train?  Jesus man, lighten up.  Everybody has opinions or even  sometimes get emotional or vociferous about those opinions, but it's cool.  I think most people on these boards seem like pretty good people, even the ones I strongly disagree with. And the super obnoxious big-time assholes eventually go away or get banned anyway.  Give your fellow PJ fan a bit more credit, maybe?

what dreams said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what dreams said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what dreams said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what dreams said:

I'm pretty sure the most recent message has been, "my wife will be sick for days from your pot smoke" and "I have a serious allergy, so stop." Forgive me for interpreting that to mean, "My kid is more special than your buzz." You're right. I confused my original concern for smoking in front of your child with your adult issues.

Look, I generally don't waste time on the Internet debating shit. So thank you for sharing all your thoughts. Enjoy your next show.

you are clearly confused. 

-smoke pot at a show if you wish (I used to)
-someone who rats someone out for doing so is well within their right to do so, and is not an "asshole", because they might have health issues related to that
-my kid is not more special than your buzz. my kid does not affect you,  your pot smoke may affect others. 

at weezer, as I've said, someone lit up a few rows over at the beginning of the show, as they opened with Hash Pipe. I laughed to myself and hoped she wouldn't ask me about it. and she didn't. so it was all good. 

when i used to smoke at shows, if I was next to a kid or an older couple, I just wouldn't smoke. common courtesy. I would survey my surroundings and make that call based on my observations. 

I give a shit about others. 

Dude, I really don't appreciate the implication that I don't care about others. In fact, I said that I'm really not cool as an adult smoking weed in front of a kid, being very aware of the impression that would make. I then said I would get really, really annoyed if someone asked me to stop. I didn't say I wouldn't stop. I said I would be annoyed if asked. I would probably take one long toke, hold my breath for as long as I could and then blow it in the other direction, all while trying to hide the scene from your infant, toddler, or whatever because I'm not all about corrupting minors.

No need to get all judgmental. Isn't that what you complained about earlier?  Just leave me out of your issues. That's all I want in this world, for everybody to leave each other alone. Including the ones who -- Yes -- really don't enjoy having children around when they're trying to chill out. Kids stress me the fuck out. Even when they're just sitting there bopping out, I start worrying about them and take on the caretaker role, and I just don't want that for myself at a fucking concert. It's what I do for a living, and when I'm around them I can't turn it off, which is why I don't want to be near them at concerts on MY time. Sorry you don't understand that or assume my motives are selfish. I don't have to fucking explain or justify myself to anyone in the arena -- unless the cops bust me and I'll deal with that responsibility myself, thank you very much.

So really, you can reply with whatever, but I'm done. Going for a workout to build up my lungs.

you implied I think everyone loves my kid. 

"just leave me out of your issues". Not sure what you keep referring to here. That I like spending time with my daughters? Yeah, REAL issues. 

so you want everyone to leave everyone else alone, live and let live, oh, except if it bothers you because a tiny human is sitting joyfully next to you. got it. 

it's not YOUR time if you are in public. just so you are aware. 

"kids stress me the fuck out". 
"it's what I do for a living". 

YIKES. 

You're right. I'm awful. How did I not see that before? How despicable of me to want to enjoy a night out doing adult things with other adults during my time off. I don't deserve that at all, nobody does, and only my utter depravity could have led me to have such unrealistic expectations for my life. Clearly you are a much better human being than I am. You are the shining example of what a true and righteous person ought to be. Thank you.   

did your lungs get a good build up? a whole lotta hot air just came out, so I guess so. 

I just really don't understand what your problem is. Seriously don't understand. My only position about your child or anybody else's child at a concert is that I don't want to sit next to them, and I've been under attack since. I've been misunderstood multiple times when I tried to explain what I feel are very respectful reasons why (I'd be a bad influence :-), and then I regroup and try to explain again, and that explanation gets a snarky response. Then I try to bow out gracefully and there's still a comeback about my character and an attack on my profession, and now this bitchy comment about my being full of hot air.  

The real thing I've come to learn about this forum over the years is that's it's full of self-righteous assholes who spend their endless hours and posts trying to better everybody else with their comeback. I don't want to sit next to most of you, never mind your children. 

Seriously -- have a great time at whatever show you take your children. You and she both have a right to be there if that's what you choose. I'm sure it will be a special time that you will both cherish forever. 

PJ_Soul said:

If it makes you feel any better, what dreams, I don't want to sit next to anybody's young child or baby at a concert either  ... or really anywhere else, for that matter. I usually humbly put up with it - kids are necessary. But I like to have at least a couple places where I can get away from them.... unfortunately, concerts are where I'd most like to avoid them, but they aren't necessarily one of those few places (even when they should be, apparently) ... but one can still hope and advocate for concerts to be free of young kids, lol. Nothing wrong with that.

tbergs said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

brianlux said:

tbergs said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

what dreams said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what dreams said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what dreams said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what dreams said:

I'm pretty sure the most recent message has been, "my wife will be sick for days from your pot smoke" and "I have a serious allergy, so stop." Forgive me for interpreting that to mean, "My kid is more special than your buzz." You're right. I confused my original concern for smoking in front of your child with your adult issues.

Look, I generally don't waste time on the Internet debating shit. So thank you for sharing all your thoughts. Enjoy your next show.

you are clearly confused. 

-smoke pot at a show if you wish (I used to)
-someone who rats someone out for doing so is well within their right to do so, and is not an "asshole", because they might have health issues related to that
-my kid is not more special than your buzz. my kid does not affect you,  your pot smoke may affect others. 

at weezer, as I've said, someone lit up a few rows over at the beginning of the show, as they opened with Hash Pipe. I laughed to myself and hoped she wouldn't ask me about it. and she didn't. so it was all good. 

when i used to smoke at shows, if I was next to a kid or an older couple, I just wouldn't smoke. common courtesy. I would survey my surroundings and make that call based on my observations. 

I give a shit about others. 

Dude, I really don't appreciate the implication that I don't care about others. In fact, I said that I'm really not cool as an adult smoking weed in front of a kid, being very aware of the impression that would make. I then said I would get really, really annoyed if someone asked me to stop. I didn't say I wouldn't stop. I said I would be annoyed if asked. I would probably take one long toke, hold my breath for as long as I could and then blow it in the other direction, all while trying to hide the scene from your infant, toddler, or whatever because I'm not all about corrupting minors.

No need to get all judgmental. Isn't that what you complained about earlier?  Just leave me out of your issues. That's all I want in this world, for everybody to leave each other alone. Including the ones who -- Yes -- really don't enjoy having children around when they're trying to chill out. Kids stress me the fuck out. Even when they're just sitting there bopping out, I start worrying about them and take on the caretaker role, and I just don't want that for myself at a fucking concert. It's what I do for a living, and when I'm around them I can't turn it off, which is why I don't want to be near them at concerts on MY time. Sorry you don't understand that or assume my motives are selfish. I don't have to fucking explain or justify myself to anyone in the arena -- unless the cops bust me and I'll deal with that responsibility myself, thank you very much.

So really, you can reply with whatever, but I'm done. Going for a workout to build up my lungs.

you implied I think everyone loves my kid. 

"just leave me out of your issues". Not sure what you keep referring to here. That I like spending time with my daughters? Yeah, REAL issues. 

so you want everyone to leave everyone else alone, live and let live, oh, except if it bothers you because a tiny human is sitting joyfully next to you. got it. 

it's not YOUR time if you are in public. just so you are aware. 

"kids stress me the fuck out". 
"it's what I do for a living". 

YIKES. 

I just really don't understand what your problem is. Seriously don't understand. My only position about your child or anybody else's child at a concert is that I don't want to sit next to them, and I've been under attack since. I've been misunderstood multiple times when I tried to explain what I feel are very respectful reasons why (I'd be a bad influence :-), and then I regroup and try to explain again, and that explanation gets a snarky response. Then I try to bow out gracefully and there's still a comeback about my character and an attack on my profession, and now this bitchy comment about my being full of hot air.  

The real thing I've come to learn about this forum over the years is that's it's full of self-righteous assholes who spend their endless hours and posts trying to better everybody else with their comeback. I don't want to sit next to most of you, never mind your children. 

Seriously -- have a great time at whatever show you take your children. You and she both have a right to be there if that's what you choose. I'm sure it will be a special time that you will both cherish forever. 

You are right about one thing. There are some self-righteous assholes on here. I remember when one of them talked down to me for making fun of Ted Cruz when he ate his own booger on live TV...

The man ate his own booger. Slurped that shit up like a frog snagging a fly. Hilarious.

Yeah, you just have to refrain from responding sometimes because it's just not worth it to argue with some random person on a Pearl Jam forum. The self righteousness here is only a fraction of the glorified assholeness that you get on the train. 

Whoa, tbergs, harsh!  Come on man, you've never had strong words on the train?  Jesus man, lighten up.  Everybody has opinions or even  sometimes get emotional or vociferous about those opinions, but it's cool.  I think most people on these boards seem like pretty good people, even the ones I strongly disagree with. And the super obnoxious big-time assholes eventually go away or get banned anyway.  Give your fellow PJ fan a bit more credit, maybe?

I shouldn't have contributed to the negativity. I was taking a poke at what dreams for something she said to me awhile back. My point is, if you're going to blanket label a bunch of people as self-righteous assholes you should be a little more aware of how you've interacted with others in the past. I understand it was a heated response to someone else and I probably shouldn't have piled on. My bad.

My bad as well. I meant that there are definitely people who purposely demean and belittle others for either opposing their view or saying something they believe to be inaccurate and that's not ok.

Honestly, when I first took a ride on the train, I made some snark comments at others who purposely seemed to be trolling or poking the bear per say, but I don't get into anymore because it's just not worth it. We all have our tipping point, as you know. There is a lot of divisive nay saying that occurs and I just don't understand why people think it's ok to be an a-hole because they're being challenged. Expect to be called out on it and if it's a misunderstanding it's easy enough to correct because it's not always easy to figure out tone, intent and context on here. People can be heated and passionate about their stance or opinion without being rude and disrespectful.

I think JH has been a prime example of how questioning or disagreeing with someone can be done respectfully. You, Brian, are also another good example of someone who maintains respect and I for one appreciate that.

Anyway, back on track with kids and concerts.

brianlux said:

Speaking of rock shows in general:

I said I was done here BUT (haha) I do have one other thought and that is for all age venues, what about a family only section?  I know, some of you will scream at me for even suggesting this but really, why not?  In fact, I would go with three sections:  mosh pit, family pit, adult non-mosh pit.  That way the adults in the crowd who don't want to be with the kiddies and just want to be with other adults doing their adult things like getting high, slam dancing, screaming obscenities, puking, bleeding and causing general mayhem, can do so.  Too much trouble?  Then leave the little ones with the babysitter.

I love the kids in my life and I do lots of great and cool things with them but I just don't get why some of you want to take your kid to a rock show.  Why can't there be activities simply geared for adults anymore?  I don't get that.  Jeez, let the adults do their thing and let the kids be kids for a while already.